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On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote: My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. | ||
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On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote: Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. | ||
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On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote: I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us. | ||
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On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. | ||
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On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying. | ||
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##Unvote I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote: I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out? | ||
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On April 03 2013 00:42 Ghor wrote: Ghor asking sylencia questions cause he scummy, vote to show he would want his head off too. ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull. here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly.
So you think Risk and Syl have the highest chances of being scum, possibly together? Isn't this based upon the assumption that Syl was deflecting attention away from his scumbuddy? | ||
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You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. | ||
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On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has? Posts that have "Ghor" at the top of them. | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Psh try again Cheese Ghor a badass. But I thought I was your designated badass? | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Found it. Cheese you unvoted and said "Gee golly guys I never really wanted to lynch risk and I'm confused by the extra votes that aren't mine" when reading could have told you everything you needed to know about the extra votes. You don't comment on any of the content against risk, simply discredit the wagon by saying the other votes were merely "+2" to your vote...which is very obviously not the case. And so I ask. Why do you not want to lynch risk today specifically? Ughhhhhh making me type things. The vote on Risk was basically to make him post after he said hi. Worked, cool story. The only evidence against Risk is that he was 'looking like he wanted a kenpachi rule wagon'. Other than that, he's a bit floppy poppy on some things but not that candidate I was to lynch right meow. I'm more concerned with Lazerman, hopeless, and RoL right now. | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him? | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?[/QUOTE] Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.[/QUOTE] If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?[/QUOTE] No I don't.[/QUOTE] Doesn't seem all that legit to me. [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, best vote ever.[/QUOTE] I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.[/QUOTE] Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.[/QUOTE] At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?[/QUOTE] I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.[/QUOTE] It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?[/QUOTE] Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit. Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?[/QUOTE] Okay I see what you mean. But we need to stop the association cases pre-flip. Now. You're pushing Ghor as risks teammate... why bother introducing another candidate? That's hyporcritical. | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote: CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl. | ||
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This post asserts that he is suspect of Risk, and thinks he could be scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. These posts ask for Ghor's opinion of Risk. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, do you think risk is scum? On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Ghor Do you think risk.nuke is scum? Here's where it gets interesting: -snip- Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. Nowhere in this post does Hopeless assert that Risk is scum, he just pushes Ghor for the lynch. He doesn't meditate on scumteams, or why Ghor was doing what he was doing as scum with risk. Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit. Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate? Now, Hopeless believes that calling Syl/risk both the scumteam would be the town thing to do by ghor, but instead he tiptoes, and that's why Ghor and risk are the scumteam. However, in the second bolded, he asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam... Why didn't Hopeless tell us this prior?. Pushing Ghor as risks teammate makes no sense, and he never came right out and said it (which would have been the townie thing to do, according to him). Hopelesses logic is full of holes because he is saying Ghor is scum for the exact same thing he is doing. Breaking it down: > Ghor calls out Syl for deflecting pressure off Risk. >Hopeless calls out Ghor for believing they (both syl+risk) are both the scumteam and not just voting Risk instead of bringing up a new candidate. >Hopeless pushes Ghor for this. >Hopeless then asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam. ^ Logic is so messy. If Hopeless believed Risk was scum -> why not just lynch him, do what you advocated and not switch targets? Instead, he decides to fling shit at Risk but not vote him, and then vote Ghor when he thinks Ghor / Risk scumteam. I'm still confused by it. He pulls this out of his ass under pressure. I want to hear from Risk first. He's a pivotal person in this entire business. | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: A three man scumteam is laughable in a 9 player game Hopeless, yes /sarcasm. /facepalm I thought this game was 3 scum, KP = # of scum rounded up. | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:31 Ghor wrote: Ghor did not call out syl for deflecting pressure. Ghor called out syl for many reason, starting with big post. Only two line about scumread, many line about other read. No strong opinion on risk. Go read. Then syl go away when scumread back. Syl not want argue about risk's early actions, hopeless interfere, he say me scum for trying look for scum outside of risk. On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread. ???????????????????? | ||
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On April 03 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: 6v3 - Mislynch 5v3 - NK 4v3 <-LYLO In order to avoid LYLO on DAY TWO we'd have to lynch scum on D1. That makes game incredibly unbalanced. We're looking for 2 people not 3. You know I'm kidding right... | ||
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First impressions are that i dont like the syl case atm. Peace out till after work. | ||
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##Vote: Hopeless1der Via stuff I said before. He scum. This Sylencia business is bad -- Lazermonkey, look me in the eye and tell me Hopeless isn't scummier than Syl -.- In fact Lazer, why are you completely ignoring a Hopeless lynch all together? It's like you haven't even looked at him. I challenge you, son ---> specifically why shouldn't we lynch Hopeless today? | ||
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On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. | ||
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I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum. Apologies, at work on phone illegally. | ||
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On April 04 2013 05:35 Lazermonkey wrote: Sooooooooo... Where do you stand on Syl then? Null? Null, smidge scum cus he wont vote which is soup odd. Maybe 3rd 4th on the list and not the best lynch for today. | ||
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This fucking sucks its like a coin flip ATM. But V.E you of all people should realize hopelesses scummy actions like that clarity post... i cant get it out if my head grrrrr. | ||
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##vote: sylencia God. | ||
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Are you still convinced of a Risk / Ghor scumteam? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed... On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote: Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick. but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad. ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away. what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum. sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve. he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum? sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part. risk this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about. Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact. On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote: ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia. All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it. Hopeless, question: Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it? (Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority. On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote: Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices. ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive). ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia. Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously. On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote: ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post. this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced. ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY! Summary: - Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this. - Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out. - For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads. ##Vote: Ghor I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote: I think its alarming that Hopeless two biggest scum reads are my biggest town reads atm ( Ghor and you). CC is spending far to much time casting insults at everyone. Its quite demoralizing and we need none of that. Lol. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all  .I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. Are you serious right now Ghor? Lul. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:48 Ghor wrote: Oh ninjad by CC. Well I will only say one thing right now: My reads were based on more than just calling people braindead (and you'll have to prove your points by quoting my posts. Hint: You probably can't). And you say I only OMGUS people, but risk actually didn't say I'm scum. Your scumreads on Hopeless and Syl were based on the fact that they pressured and / or didn't like you. Risk was just a side project. | ||
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How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case. | ||
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On April 05 2013 05:07 Lazermonkey wrote: I think that is perfectly resonable given that you sheeped your scum read -.- Ghor has been one of the most productive players this game, with easy to follow logic. His reasoning makes alot of sense and is very similar to mine, which I think shows of a townie mindset. Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over. Nice soft town claim btw. | ||
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Why so afraid to take responsibility? The fact that Ghor / Lazer led a lynch on a townie isn't what is concerning -- it's the fact that they're like 'omg why did you kill that townie guys why did you switch over so scummy right now' | ||
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On April 05 2013 05:23 Lazermonkey wrote: O.o Sorry, I kind of took his word for granted, that you had him as scum read that is. Well, this is somewhat interesting and it means Ghor lied in order to make you look worse... Ghor just rose quite alot on my scum-o-meter. Thank God. I was beginning to think you had no sense. | ||
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On April 05 2013 06:00 Ghor wrote: most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy. Ghor, you are so scum. You keep throwing suspicion on me, and not defending the actual points. You say that I 'sheeped your case', okay. Use that as your ammo against me --- I welcome it. Come on, buddy, watcha got? | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: 1.)Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). 2.) In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and 3.) CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). 4.) I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. 1.) Sympathy about a town being lynched. Ghor ensures the thread that he had no idea he would flip town, and he was saddened by this fact. 2.) Flings shit on a bunch of people for voting Syl. In reality, most of us went there because Ghor was stubborn enough to not change his vote. He doesn't take responsibility for the lynch, just blames the guys that were forced to vote. 3.) A blatant lie. He tries to condemn me for 'sheeping a scumread', when he was neither my scumread, nor did I sheep him. He tries to play it off like I did some terrible deed by avoiding a mislynch (coincidentally, my vote never mattered lol) 4.) Hmm... CC thinks I'm scum? I should set up things so I can suspect him later. On April 05 2013 05:55 Ghor wrote: posting from phone. ask yourself this question, A.) wasnt the stuff cheesecake mentions already there before the sylencia lynch?why does he only mention it after the lynch?he must have seen the things he mentions already before, evidence being B.) that there is also stuff in his filter that suggests he thinks im scum (posts that have ghor at top of them and various pressure), but he didnt say it outright.nothing changed about my reads except that C. ) i also suspect cc now. A.) Irrelevant to a defense. He ignores my points. B.) Pressure =/= scumread C.) Kinda Figured you would :D On April 05 2013 06:00 Ghor wrote: most of the things he found scummy were very early in the game, but you do not see him call me out for that back then, instead bring them up summarized now after that he was able to sheep my case.i dont think his points are genuine or they would have been mentioned earlier.he called me out for some bad wording stuff not for the things he suddenly finds scummy. Again, trying to discredit me for something that makes no sense. This scum is scared out of his pants. I also find it interesting that he gives RoL a townie read. | ||
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On April 05 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Cheese is manipulating Lazer. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake This man speaks the truth. | ||
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Just something to get people noticing me. What say you to a Ghor lynch? | ||
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On April 05 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: That's what I saw too GOSH! Like he calls him or his actions suspicious like every time he interacts with him, but it's always in the context of trying to get him to change his present behavior (defending Hopeless D1, defending Ghor D2). He even gives him a treat in the form of saying he's not dumb when he comes around to his way of thinking in their last interaction. Cheese what happened to your pulsating hardon for lynching Hopeless? I came. | ||
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I figured I'd get flak for it -- a lot of ppl have town reads on him. Don't care, I think he's scum. Good to know -- dontcha think? | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: But they're so out of left field, and there's already more than enough support to get a bandwagon on Hopeless going. So why was your first act NOT to question Hopeless, your preferred lynch yesterday? Why did you opt to, instead, start a new bandwagon on someone else? I don't care how aroused you are by lynching Hopeless because you're not voting for Hopeless and you've barely mentioned Hopeless this day. Ghor said something in his defense I'd like you to address. All of the stuff in your case was readily available to you yesterday. When you were pushing for Hopeless and you were clearly paying at least tertiary attention to Ghor, why didn't you raise any of the points in your case today against him yesterday when he was pushing for the Sylencia lynch? I for one was here, looking for input on where I should vote. You did NOTHING to try and convince me to vote for Hopeless, while Ghor took the time to prepare a whole case against Sylencia. Firsly, if I were scum you'd figure I'd just put Hopeless into the ground today. Just sayin. Seems like an easy mislynch if I were scum. I have my own opinions of Hopeless -- and what am I supposed to question him on? Hey bro, you probably scum so what do you think about that? About all the things being available yesterday; didn't click. Maybe Syl was scum and he was right. I never really looked at Ghor until Syl flipped town last night, and things struck me as really scummy in context of knowing Syls alignment. Of course I did nothing to convince you to vote for Hopeless because A) I was at work, typing on my damn phone under a table and B) Have already stated the evidence against him. Ghor taking time to prepare a case against Syl is, impressive actually. I'll have to take that into account. | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote: These two statements contradict each other. In the first you express incredulity at the idea that Lazer has a town read on Ghor, and in the second you say you're aware that "a lot of ppl have town reads on him". I know people had town reads on him. I just don't agree with them. | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:03 VisceraEyes wrote: and there's already more than enough support to get a bandwagon on Hopeless going. So, you think I'm scum because I'm not instantly hoping on a Hopeless bandwagon? How does that make any sense? | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe he's your teammate? Fuck I don't know, I'm not playing WIFOM games. I'm basing my read of you on thread actions and facts. Yeah the guy I called out D1, made a huge post on, and we nearly got lynched together is my teammate. | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you saying I want a one-track thread when I'm voting for someone that's not Hopeless? Are you even kidding me right now? If I had just voted Hopeless, would we even be having this super-enlightening discussion right now? | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Who's to say? Not me. Fact is you didn't though. You also did not follow through with your "suspicion" of him at all. So here we are. *sigh* > Guy has stronger scumread than Hopeless after lynch > Guy gets called scum for not voting his previous scumread | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Your strawman arguments are getting boring. I'm saying you're scum for exhibiting scummy behavior. You keep boiling down my argument to 1 point, why is that? You haven't even TRIED to dispute manipulating Lazer or doing nothing to push for a Hopeless lynch IN SPITE of him being your top read. You STILL haven't commented on what I asked you to comment on in Ghor's defense. So yeah, keep on setting up those brainy crowbanes. I BRING DA FIYA Wow, yes I have. I said that it wasn't apparent at the time, and I only looked at Ghor seriously after Syl flipped. Don't like the answer? Sorry. I can't dispute manipulating Lazer because it will just turn into a larger shouting match. I just find him irritating because he's stubborn and usually unreasonable. You can say I'm manipulating Lazer, but I'm not, there's nothing to disprove lazer-CC shouting matches in this thread, because they've happened. I haven't done anything to lynch Hopeless... cool. He's not my top scumread. | ||
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If you guys want to lynch me it's all good -- just give me time to figure out the game first and post, k? It's a waste, but if you need to fucking hang me for town to trust me then whatever. | ||
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One point I bring up is that he's self-focused, contrary to what he says, and had scumreads on people after they had called him out. Syl called him out --> syl scum! Hopeless challenged him ---> hopeless might be scum! He picked on risk a little when he had the three votes at the beginning as well. Is that not scummy behavior? | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand what you mean by the first point. Are you saying that people who switched late onto Syl should NOT be scrutinized? People who switched OFF of your scumread ONTO a townie, you're saying these people deserve no extra scrutiny? Mmmmmkay.... In your second, I got the impression that you were scum on Ghor from your D1 posting too. Like when I came in the other morning and asked whether there was something I wouldn't like in the thread and you responded "Ghor's posts". Maybe not your top scumread sure because you didn't try and get him lynched, but you seemed suspicious of him. My point is I can see it coming from a townie mindset. If he's town and he doesn't know your alignment, then obviously he's trying to read context into your posts. I didn't take it as him lying at all. At worst misunderstanding your posting D1 and misinterpreting the situation D2 is what I'm reading from that, not that he's blatantly lying. The fact is, he took no responsibility for the lynch and just said 'fuck, all these guys who lynched syl to avoid a no-lynch are bad'. They deserve no more scrutiny than the rest. The "Ghors post" thing was a joke, wasn't it obvious? He was acting all Russian and stuff, was annoying. I pressured Ghor a little bit here and there, because he was confusing and I was trying to get information out of him. I took it as lying because I never had a scumread on him D1. I know that, maybe he assumed I did. But he seems to be using it as ammo against me, 'omg u sheeped ur scumread bro u scum'. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks. Oh, how disappointed you're going to be. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong. Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm a realist. It's a failing in my play. The fact that you're here when no one else is is certainly speaking in your favor, but not much. Well the fact that you're facerolling me pretty hard is indicative of your scum play (although, I've played with you as town), but it seems like a huge risk to take if you know I'm town. Depends if people would just lynch you tomorrow or not for tunneling me. | ||
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It disappoints the Cake that you have suddenly disappeared. You obviously hate Hopeless, etc and even agree with (at least one) of my thoughts on Ghor. You seem to just pop in, egg VE on to pressure me, and then leave. Sir, what is your opinion of me? How do you just 'let Hopeless off the hook' as well? | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".  If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't. *shrug* You still sexy beast tho. Someone's been talking with Dandel Ion l0l | ||
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What do you think about Risk in the past few pages? | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:59 Lazermonkey wrote: He is making sense alot of sense. Ghor is trying to justify his lie by bringing up the most crazy fucking accusations I've seen in a while. What about you? This is fucking weird because Risk is suspicious, but for almost none of the reasons Ghor points out. I think Ghor is scummy as all hell for the reasons Risk brings up, but I think Risk might be scum because he literally pawned me off on VE to pressure, and then frame VE when I flip. I think that Ghor's pressure on Risk is unjustified because he's bringing up things that didn't strike me as scummy rather than the stuff that did. . . | ||
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VE expressed concern about me. Risk voted me, and then pissed off the entire time me and VE were having our shouting match. It's like he wanted to drive my mislynch and not be responsible. VE would have been the culprit in this case. | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:15 Lazermonkey wrote: The vote was to pressure you to talk, which you did. He got satisfied and unvoted. How is this scummy? But he expressed no concerns of his own, and only did so when prompted by VE who led him through my filter to say I was manipulating you. He wanted explanations -- why wouldn't he step up to the plate and get them himself? It's one of my only concerns with Risk as of today, I just want a reason why. I think Risk himself could better answer it. | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:27 Lazermonkey wrote: Then why are you asking in the first place. It's like you are testing the waters for a Risk lynch... I just wanted your opinion. | ||
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Wut. So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then? | ||
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If you insist that i thought you were scum d1, either you lie or are misconstruing my posts. | ||
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The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias. @lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol? | ||
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If you flip red hes probably red. or lazer. I want to see you flip first. Perspective. | ||
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Gimme a few. | ||
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2) He expressednhis distaste for you rigt after my huge case. He knew it would be safe to call you out after i had. 3) ghor-RoL scumslip thing... lol. rly. 4) seems to neglect pressuring scumreads. instead pops on wagons. couple other things but i cant quote much or type on this phone well | ||
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i want to flesh out my cases and respond to your questions / comments ghor | ||
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Until then he remains not dead. | ||
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On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case. This still bugs me, Ghor. Why did you blame people for dropping 'casually' onto the sylencia lynch when it was T-minus 5 minutes to deadline and it was going to be a no-lyncher? I think we had 4 people do it; Hopeless, and simultaneously almost: VE,Risk, and myself last minute. It's weird because you never mention VE at all (he was 'trying to be convinced' remember), but call the rest of us out for it. You also complain that we dropped casually, but wasn't that the goal of your case against Syl? To get us to vote him? | ||
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One of these fuckers is scum right now and I want it to be Ghor so bad. | ||
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##Vote: Risk.Nuke Ghor, I feel like we're going in a circle with our discussions. I think I've answered many of your questions, and it's just been lost in translation. We aren't getting anywhere with our back-and-forths. The fact that you're putting in infinitely more effort than Risk makes me re-analyze things from a different perspective. Part of me doesn't believe you, or doesn't want to believe you. I will say this: I am not scum. If Risk is red, he's done a good job of ensuring that our interactions seem like scumbuddy material. We will see this flip. If he's red, you guys can lynch me tomorrow if you feel strongly about it. However, I will be working intensively to find his scumbuddy in the meantime if you decide to hammer me on Day 3. This Risk-CC scumteam thing is a large misconception. | ||
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He did, after all, consider you scum. | ||
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Do you not think Ghor is scum still? You said you were 'less convinced' but I don't recall anything recently regarding Ghor. You seem to arise the minute RoL comes in and vote him for doing a stupid VE vote. | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:25 Ghor wrote: A few observations about the votecounts: - risk and CC always vote for the same stuff. But CC has risk as scum. - Risk and CC tried to switch last minute to Sylencia, but apparently didn't play a role in the lynch. Why didn't they summarize their points against Hopeless before the lynch? First point: Risk wasn't up on my reads until today. We both wanted to kill Hopeless, and for that I <3'd him. I think one of Ghor / Risk is scum and I'm weighing the two decisions. The fact that Risk sheeped me on you doesn't help the case against him, and it's one of the reasons I'm apprehensive about lynching you Ghor over Risk. Second: I was on my phone at work, hiding it under a table. Hard to summarize pointed when you can't quote, etc. I had already big posts on Hopeless, if people wanted a refresher they could have looked at them. | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:46 Ghor wrote: Cheese there's one thing I absolutely don't understand. Hopeless looks even more terrible than during the last day and you and risk don't care at all about him. That looks irrational, his commitment and interest into the game dropped a lot since he's not up for lynch, he wants to hammer fast, and he doesn't seem to care about who gets lynched. I would argue that Hopeless looked worst yesterday. Today he's just being retarded, which unfortunately doesn't infer alignment. | ||
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Maybe that should change? At the very least, he should speak. | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:58 Lazermonkey wrote: I think you are missundestanding my argument. I'm not saying RoL is too scum to be scum. I'm saying VE is voting RoL for a completely shit reason. A non-alignment indicative reason. That + the fact that RoL was a lynch bait at that point makes me think VE is scum. You think VE is scum, but I'm also scum? K. | ||
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I brought up something on Hopeless, and he said basically: "OH, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS, ALLOW ME TO STEER THIS WAGON FOR YOU" | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:11 Lazermonkey wrote: I wouldn't say he soft pushed hopeless. He was quite active in pushing hopeless and was AFAIK the first person to vote him. If hopeless does flip scum, however, I do think that it makes VE look worse. I agree with the first part. The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad? | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Because he looked for an opportunity to jump over to the Sylencia wagon. And he called out his buddy with me and got him to L-1 if I'm correct? | ||
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Hopeless, I said speak, not vote! | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: I have revised my read on ghor to town. risk is still scum and I want him dead today. This is all I have ever wanted from you. | ||
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Actually make a case or something kk? Stop not doing shit and make shit happen. | ||
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Nobody vote until we're absolutely-friggen-sure who we want to kill. Doctor, I suggest you claim. I need a drink. | ||
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I'm more inclined to believe Hopeless is scum, and Lazer is most likely his buddy. Everyone who originally suspected Hopeless is dead. Axle, shot. Risk, lynched. VE, shot. Now I'm the only one left. Lazer played a huge role in redirecting the lynch away from his buddy Hopeless. Need I remind people of this wish-washy quote from LazeR? On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. Essentially, Lazer is calling Hopeless a decent lynch, but indicates that he could be townie and defends him via meta. Take a gander at the bolded: "This doesn't make Hopeless town, but we should totes mislynch Sylencia right now." Lazermonkey was leaving himself some room to bus in case things got hairy. After all, 4 townies were on the Hopeless lynch. He didn't want to hammer his buddy, and instead redirected the Syl lynch with the help of Town Ghor. He also "wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him..." This quote speaks of association like I can't even imagine. He also spent a lot of time defending Hopeless from the noose. On April 04 2013 05:25 Lazermonkey wrote: Other than repeating what have already been said: I'd say Hopeless recent half-suicidal moves are something scum aren't very keen on doing normally. On April 04 2013 03:51 Lazermonkey wrote: VE also mentioned how he lied about having his vote on Ghor, something that I find a far better reason to vote him than poor logic. I'm not saying Hopeless is town or scum, I think this is quite clear in my post. He does indeed play scummy and isn't really helping town alot. Hence he is an okay lynch. But he plays similar to this in his town games, which makes it hard to determine if he is scum or not. This makes hopeless lynch a very risky lynch imo. On April 03 2013 06:57 Lazermonkey wrote: I don't know. You being a hypocrite is actually not alignment indicative imo. What I do know is that you are calling out Ghor for stuff that you are doing yourself. So stop that. Day 1, Lazer refused to give a concrete read on Hopeless, and instead referred to him as "Oh, town or scum". He plays scummy but dat meta stuff makes me think he's kinda townie. He's also really scummy but too scummy to be scum guise. They also haven't voted each other this ENTIRE GAME. Hopeless has been lurky, scummy, etc etc. Lazer has been antagonistic towards myself, pushed the mislynch day 1, and played all over the place on D2 with his vote on VE by the end. Hopeless and Lazermonkey, I'll lynch either of those guys today. 2 out of 3 of these dudes is scum. And I think I've got the two right here. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:20 Ghor wrote: Heh, scum didn't figure it out this time :d . Who do you think are the two scum between RoL, LM and hopeless? I am most sure about RoL currently but his scumbuddy sure does a good job. A few things I caught up while rereading: Hopeless attacked risk saying "Risk knows CC is town", the early "scumslip". While it wasn't a scumslip, it would speak for a scum hopeless cause he might know you're town (assuming you are) and immediately interpreted that post by risk as scummy according to his prior major knowledge. Hopeless also has shown inconsistency regarding RoL. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote: both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and B) wont vote us in the interim suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie. Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason. On April 07 2013 13:03 Hopeless1der wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/314/419/d06.gif) ##Unvote:risk.nuke ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD LM defended both hopeless and RoL as lynch bait, but said hopeless was an ok lynch after being asked. He didn't defend Sylencia as lynch bait. His attack on RoL was fairly unserious and his arguments inconsistent, and he attacked a lot of his former townreads during D2, but without really sticking to them. He did say "Hopeless is a decent lynch" however, I think it was a preparation for a bus. The 3 options are: Lazer - RoL Lazer - Hopeless RoL- Hopeless RoL blatantly said he had a fairly strong town read on Lazer day 2. I don't think scum would do that, as they are more inclinded to give a slight scummy or slight town read, as opposed to a strong one. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote: Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. Except Lazer wasn't lynchbait, RoL was the lynchbait. RoL gave Lazer a strong-as-hell townie read which is just begging for #associations later if they are scumbuddies. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 10 2013 00:28 Ghor wrote: Scum Blazinghand in "The game" actually defended lynchbait townies the hardest while keeping himself doors open for bussing regarding his teammates. I wouldn't use that heuristic. In fact, you actually prove my point. Lazer defended both Hopeless and RoL and had outs with pretty much either one, especially Hopeless. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Do you think they both could be scum? Personally, I actually just want to lynch the shit out of Lazer right now. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 10 2013 00:56 Ghor wrote: From what I gained so far you wouldn't lynch RoL? Nope, not yet. Scumteam is probably Lazer + 1 of the two others. That's how I see it. We just have to figure out who the other one is. I'm leaning Hopeless quite hard atm. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 10 2013 01:46 Ghor wrote: The problem with your choice, CC, is that all of your case against LM is connection-based, whereas my arguments against RoL are about his lack of discussion, him being too sure about his reads and too quick to hammer. I barely see RoL being in doubt about people, instead he drops cases and pursues them without double-checking, at a stage where I don't manage to be sure about anyone. That looks to me like he doesn't really have doubts about people's alignment but just picks people to lynch and lays back waiting for town to hammer. Even when he announced he had time to be more active I didn't see the discussion and information digging I'd expect from him. So at the moment, we have these people wanting to lynch: CC: Lazermonkey, Hopeless Me: RoL and someone I don't know yet. I'm not sure about CC either. Hopeless, RoL, LM. Please state your lynch choices. I do this so much at lylo, haha. But LM is scummy on his own. He pushed for the Syl mislynch and let you do most of the work (you, after all, posted that giant case while LM was like 'eeeeeeeeh we should lynch syl over hopeless guys...' Day 2, he voted RoL weakly. Then sheeped my vote on you. Then voted VE when his scumread RoL came back. He also made sure his vote was as far away from Risk as humanly possible and barely ever commented on him. I think he knew town was going to push the lynch through without his help. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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At work so i cant post | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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That ending was hilariously fail on my end hahaha | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 10 2013 10:28 Promethelax wrote: But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic. this | ||
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