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On April 21 2013 17:17 yamato77 wrote: I'd kill you, too. ##vote yamato77 You're being rather hostile without actually being hostile. Why not just tunnel him so you can get a good read? | ||
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On April 21 2013 17:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you understand mine? Or can I look forward to you calling me scummy all game?  I'm just going to assume you're scum until you flip. We all know I've read you right in 1 game and wrong in every other game. Right now I think your town... Guess you're scum then | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:16 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't see it as particularly telling of either alignment as it was Vivax's first post. I read it and just kind of shook my head. I can follow not wanting to lynch him based on being reckless, though not with the certainty that Palmar has suggested. I'm specifically interested in the bolded. I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement. Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today: Sylencia Vivax Shaio Palmar | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes there is, if you don't know if they even exist/how many of them there are. Everyone who claims miller should be lynched. you keep saying this with no basis whatsoever to back it up. how about you... back it up? | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why wouldn't scum know what he meant? They had to do the exact same thing, the only difference is they had a QT in their PM. They still have to look up if they are framer,rber,godfather or whatever. Literally every person has to reference the op for their role, regardless of alignment. How would you even know this? Are you scum? Did you receive a QT in your PM? Did you receive the QT in the same pm or a different pm? You are treading on highly suspicious ground for me because as a hydra I received my hydra QT in the same PM. You aren't a hydra clearly. How would you know that? | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:50 Hopeless1der wrote: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Sample PMs: How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? Because I never read that far down in the OP. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well, you just said his posts were non-alignment indicative. What has changed your opinion so quickly? No, I said that the fact that he posted early is non-alignment indicative as I expect most vets to be confident as scum. The reason why I would be interested in yamato is the exact same reason I was interested in lynching VE last game: what he's done with his activity. Four posts none of which are productive or spurning conversation. All four come across as hostile without determined aggression to pressure a player to learn their alignment. Just random smuck. | ||
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On April 22 2013 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Geript: you were interested in me because you suspected I picked the same role as you in Boardwalk. It had nothing to do with my confidence or whatever, it had to do with my inactivity and your suspicion of my role. It's not applicable in this game as a meta comparison against a different player. Why else do you want to lynch yamato? No, that was the nail in the coffin for why I was interested in you no matter what you choose to believe to the contrary. You choosing NRA solidified me thinking I wasn't crazy to suspect you and your early responses to me attacking you for picking NRA made me feel much better about that suspicion. | ||
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On April 22 2013 02:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Then what was that post of yours attempting to achieve? The conclusions you reached were almost all null with a few townie leans here and there. You chose to address people based purely on the time they posted rather than their content. Apparently you did this to justify Vivax's reads, but from what I've seen you could not justify his stance. Vivax's heuristic is that the people who posted early are more likely town. So I went through the people that posted at that point and decided which of those was more likely to be town based on that heuristic. I was attempting to make my thought process clear there as to who I thought was more likely to be town from posting early. I think as a general rule the heuristic works based on people who post early aren't posting elsewhere and are invested in posting early which makes it more likely that they're town. The problem as I said before is that it doesn't work in every case. I don't think in specific the heuristic works on vets as well as it does on newer players. I really don't understand the crux of what you're trying to get. | ||
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On April 22 2013 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote: geript isn't a player in this game. CHECK MUTHAFUCKA hydra bish | ||
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On April 22 2013 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote: And furthermore, I'd like to know why you aren't voting for him if you want to lynch him. Because I'd much rather give him the chance to speak and defend himself so that I can actually get a read on him. He's clearly not here now so voting for him or attacking him is mostly worthless as it could be wholly ignored. I already stated why I wanted to lynch yamato; because what people do with activity is alignment indicative while amount of activity is not. I haven't seen him be active how was in either PYP or hydra; I don't understand his opening and it doesn't flow from the perception I have of yamato from hydra whatsoever. | ||
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On April 22 2013 05:12 Ace wrote: They were one of the best civs in Age of Empires They had pretty sweet archers. ~marv | ||
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On April 22 2013 05:29 Blazinghand wrote: Marvellosity (and only marvellosity) has been removed from the game for repeated refusal to follow the rules for out of game communication and being a dick to me. Please keep all discussions of modkills until the post-game. Getmoript has not been modkilled. Ok. I'll tell you how it is given BH is being an enormous megalomaniac. geript and I had a QT made for ourselves, which we have been using quite happily. BH decided that we should use the QT that he made, because he's a power-mad weirdo. I said we're fine with the QT that geript and I made thank you, and BH is now swinging his dick around, saying we're forced to use a QT that he made, despite the rules saying nothing about this, and despite the rules only having this restriction, which we followed: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Hydras: If one of the players would like to hydra with someone else, that is acceptable. Please inform me. Your hydra can have any name, but the signature should be something like "Hydra of Blazinghand and Ange777 for TL Mafia LXI" so that people know what's up. There were no such rules for out-of-game communication other than that that BlazingHand just edited in to the rules so that he'd be justified being a douchebag. Anyway, glhf everyone!! ~marv | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote: lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:08 Sharrant wrote: Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment. For saying that you want to see more out of BM today before you make a decision, you sure aren't interested in having BM pressured whatsoever. That makes absolutely 0 sense to me. Why do that? What's the point? Where is your line of thinking here? You're pressuring Rayn for doing something that he feels is likely to force BM to post more or provide a read. I think your 'case' is shit. Quite frankly, I don't see what's wrong about talking about policy or anything else. Nothing that you've said is damning. The real question is why are you trying to sell your pile of shit like it's anything other than a pile of shit? Explain. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Despite the fact that this was originally specifically addressed to marv, the fact remains you wrote that list post and I'd like to know what your thoughts on Palmar are. He's making sense and thus more likely to be town. If he doesn't die by night 2 I'll look into that read further. I just see very little point in trying to get a read on a player who I have little actual experience with and never had a very serious read on either way, seems to have a history of variable activity, and is likely to be a target of an NK if town. If he dies, then I'll dive him. If he doesn't, then I'll likely try to lynch him. It's not worth the effort and so long as he's making sense I don't see a point in not sheeping him. | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Your post makes sense but it seems to be a little conflicted. Calling him town is a read, and yet in the same post you say you don't see a point in trying to get a read on him. Why bother calling him town if you're so unsure of yourself? I said I wasn't interested in lynching into him. There's a difference between saying I'm not interested in lynching him today and calling him town, dear. You also say you don't see a point in not sheeping him; do you agree with his assessment of BM's pseudo-claim? Other than + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:45 Palmar wrote: In a setup where their existence and numbers are known they should claim. In this setup they really shouldn't. Your responsibility as a self-aware miller in a set-up like this. Ideally we policy lynch miller claims on day one. But I want to think on it because there are a ton of stupid people around who might think it's a good idea to claim miller. You being a good example. Will explain more when I have a keyboard. On April 22 2013 08:45 Palmar wrote: So why does that make him most likely town? Because as scum in The Game the first thing I did after checking my pm was get into the QT and start posting there and try to figure out something to coordinate to do, how to act, who to not attack, have posts edited etc. I think new scum are far more likely to try and post from a position of comfort. | ||
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In hydra we were on a similar page for much of day 1. In PYP it was easy to discern your alignment in the picking phase. It's nearing 24 hours in and I have no read on you. What changed? | ||
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On April 22 2013 12:58 yamato77 wrote: If I'm not obviscum, then don't worry about it. Why shouldn't I? The simplest answer for not posting or pressuring anyone right now is that you don't want to become obviscum. | ||
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On April 23 2013 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: That it exists mostly? Also FEELS like town yamato case. Here's my problem with both of you. The typical 'vet' heuristic is that people that share reads with you are likely to be town. You two in fact seem to share a great many reads + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: 4) DoctorHelvetica: Replacment incoming 13) Ace: scum scum scum KILL WITH FIRE(no reason, someone has to be scum though) 14) Tube: Replacement 15) Drazak: Useless (null) 16) Clarity_nl: Replacement 17) Mr. Cheesecake: Protown=scummy, hasnt chimed in on yamato/oats so yeah leaning scum 19) Yamato77: Dont know, feels like scum yamato, case on VE says otherwise  . Scum yamato doesnt post cases like that AFAIK20) ShiaoPi: Scum where you go bro? Lurker lurker lurker. Actually when you look back at the yamato vs me, scum dont post during stuff like that I have seen outside max 1 or 2 players 23) Sylencia: NULL NULL NULL lurker 24) BloodyCobbler:KILL WITH FIRE IF HE LIVES DAY 2. 25) VisceraEyes: I have no fucking clue, but killing VE is fun On April 23 2013 04:27 yamato77 wrote: For the record, I would also lynch Oats for being a snarky ass on the sidelines and not actually being involved like I know town Oats to be. Ace is lynchable because his reasoning for throwing suspicion on me is ass and he's been posting bullshit the entire game. BC is nullish, despite my earlier proclamation. He could have made that post as either alignment. More information is necessary to lynch him. CC is too quiet to be town CC. His "tunnel me" charade is a copycat from Nomination where he replaced in day 1. His shitty null reads are also indicative of him being mafia; town CC calls people mafia and gives no fucks about being wrong. And VE is mafia because his reasoning for being suspicious of me is ass, just like Ace. Only VE is even worse because he should know better. Unfortunately, however, a VE that blindly follows thread sentiment is a scum VE. Lynch him. However, it isn't until now that you seem to be interested in not voting him despite essentially calling him town earlier you still vote for him. At least he thinks you're scum which somewhat justifies his vote, but your vote seems to be purely survival. Explain how you justify voting for someone who you think is town and shares many of your reads. | ||
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On April 23 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Because fast lynching me, I flip town. So like Ego mafia where you dudes fast lynched Ace, no info no nothing bro. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yamato On April 23 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: 19) Yamato77: Dont know, feels like scum yamato, case on VE says otherwise . Scum yamato doesnt post cases like that AFAIK14 minutes in between these two posts. For being 'mad' you sure did clear your head really quickly enough to think that he's town but not enough to unvote for him. Many of your reads are mirrors of his (VE, BC, Ace) and you are agreeing that he's not scum but none of that warrants unvoting him? On April 23 2013 11:32 Oatsmaster wrote: VE, do you wanna lynch Yamato or me? Im confused. You clearly don't seem to be not interested in a Yamato lynch here. In fact, you're more than happy to direct your scum read VE towards a Yamato vote. + Show Spoiler + Seriously? Do you really think you'd be able to bully scum to vote elsewhere especially a vet like VE? On April 23 2013 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Im town, yamato is town. Who is scum? ##Unvote Oh wait, no you're not. Now he's firmly town. The excuse that we're supposed to believe is that you were mad and voted for a then scumread only to unvote when prompted? | ||
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On April 23 2013 14:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Geript. Why do you think I 180ed then? Dont you think it wouldve been in my best interests as scum to try and get really spammy yamato lynched? What is the scum objective of me trying to get people to think of alternative targets rather than yamato? Explain this? I bully scum, means Im not scum? Or what? Scumslip? Or what? 1. I don't care about the 180; I care about voting for a townread On April 23 2013 09:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Yamato is really bleh, but I never played in a game with him as scum and this feels like Boardwalk lategame. and On April 23 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, Oats' return is not impressive. On April 23 2013 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote: sorry for not writing a 5 page post THAT THIS DUDE IS SCUM. Can we lynch Ace? I would like to keep his streak of getting mislynched in like almost every game.(scumslip :o) However the fact that you seem to 180 in the direction of whoever you're talking to/about you 'change' your mind to match their viewpoint at the time is odd. Hell you don't even realize your vote is on Yamato an untenable position until I bring it up. That's pure survival mentality and obvious scum. You seemed more than willing to get yamato lynched when talking to VE but were willing to join yamato's wagon of justice on ace. The wagon on yamato looks like it had come and gone and you were next on the block. I think shifting people back to yamato would've been tougher than shifting them elsewhere. On April 23 2013 14:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain this? I bully scum, means Im not scum? Or what? Scumslip? Or what? At that time you were all down for a Scum VE lynch. At the time you were ALSO trying to shift VE's vote onto someone else. You can't tell me it's not weird as shit. Your actions tell me that you know that VE is town but that you aren't willing to say that. | ||
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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Comments / Observations: - Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious. Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation. This is an exceptionally interesting quote. Sylencia is saying that he has a town read on Oats. I don't see any particular reason early in Oat's filter to think that he's town. Neither is there any sort of reasoning for this read given. This is an odd way of saying "Palmar, what is your current read on Oats?" On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Trying. Not easy though, 20 pages of catchup doesn't make it easy to digest the content. One of the points from Gonzaw's case on Artanis in PYP was that scum tend to complain about activity more than town. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: From the pages regarding TRN and Rayn, both have been hard at work defending each other, though I don't really understand the point being raised about why Rayn isn't scum. Was he scum when he tunneled or was he town? Rayn has shown tendencies in other games to shotgun vote and accuse others, and it's seen here and from your games he can tunnel too. His behaviour is erratic and so unless there's points regarding the content being townie, I don't think anything can be said about the way he plays. You dislike Sharrant, so does that mean you suspect him or are you just putting it out there? Does Rayn's activity put him in the town books for you, because while it can be used as a basis for a case when none others appear, it's pretty alignment indicitive. If it's not part of your reasoning behind it, why is rayn already town in your eyes? Summary. Null conclusion. Question. Null conclusion. Question. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: I'm somewhat doing the same, so I'm wondering how you can see someone as town without looking at the whole picture. I haven't really got any town reads due to this, but the fact you're able to either means you're doing something wrong, or you know something we don't. So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Rayn: Pushing for all millers to die (and voting on it) on day 1 honestly doesn't sound like a great plan. It wastes days where there's actually stuff to analyse, it creates a lazy town atmosphere which only helps scum, and with that comes a lot less conversation. You said you thought that BM was scum but what makes him so much more scummy at the time than someone else with low number of posts and providing just words and not content (eg. me)? Well one thing is absolutely right here: Sylencia has posted a lot of words without any actual content. The real kicker of the post for me is this: On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote:In any case: This looks so dumb honestly. Ok, I'm done for now, ##vote rayn at the moment because of the weirdest irregularities in posts. Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. Bland +1 On April 23 2013 23:58 Sylencia wrote: Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either: a) He's playing as the bad townie b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch. Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats. On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. Bald faced lie. Sure Oats didn't contribute much. But if that's the case then Sylencia voted him for being bad town which is not a reason to vote for someone period. Seeing as how Sylencia didn't think Oats was scum anyways why 180 on why he voted for him? Image control, nothing more. tldr doesn't seem to be trying to figure out the game has inexplicable reads doesn't give actual reads just could be X or Y mentality for voting doesn't fit town mentality concerned with image | ||
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On April 22 2013 20:45 Sylencia wrote: Comments / Observations: - Oats v Palmar early on. The way I read it, Oats seemingly made a joke statement about Palmar, yet the response was ever so serious. Palmar: Is your vote just parked on Oats while you look for actual suspicious people or do you seriously believe that Oats was calling you out there? Since it's instant majority lynch, a single vote doesn't really matter until we get to 10+ votes, but I'm just interested if your read on Oats has changed since the initial accusation. Read the bolded section. This shows that Sylencia didn't think that Oats was suspicious. Admittedly, I guess I presumed 'not suspicious' = town, but that's reasonable assumption. On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "So because Sylencia hasn't gotten any town reads out of the back and forth, no one else can? Like, WTF? That doesn't make any sense. " Different strokes for different people then? I personally find it to be impossible to take a subset of players, read their posts and just outright say "he's a townie" and start defending them. Sounds absurd to me. Are you trying to say that people can't form town reads and can't defend them? Are we supposed to believe that you just classify everyone in shades of null-leaning-town/scum? I don't understand this outlook, can you explain this further? This just looks like you're trying to bypass the point. How do you form your tells? On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "Throughout the whole post Sylencia hasn't said 1 thing that has pointed to Rayn being scum. Not a single thing. As a matter of fact, Sylencia is calling out Rayn for wanting to lynch BM for being scum but not giving actual reasons for him being scum. So what does Sylencia do pray tell? Not give any reason for Rayn being scum whatsoever. At best this is a policy vote to remove stupidity from the thread. " Lying/changing the apparent meaning of what he said isn't a reason for wanting to lynch him now? If you think he's a liar, then why not pressure him flat out for lying. You keep on taking this observer aspect to the game instead of being a participant which doesn't feel towny to me. On April 25 2013 02:50 Sylencia wrote: "Read this twice. Do you ever see any inclination that Sylencia thinks that Oats is scum here? It's not A--Bad Townie vs B--Scum. It's A--Bad Townie vs B--withholding information. What information could someone be withholding on D1? None. Period. You either think Oats was town or you think he's scum. Sylencia is still reading Oats as town AND still voting for Oats." Next time I'm scum, I'll be sure to hand out information as I'm about to be lynched on Day 1 which will help out townies in the long run (y) If B is supposed to be scum, then why not say scum? If he is scum, then what information do you think that he could be withholding? If you think he's withholding information, then why don't you try and pressure him to get that information out of him. It just looks to me like you're more than happy to pop in and out when you please and download whatever information you please to the thread to avoid suspicion/being lynched. How is what you're doing beneficial? You've given summaries, not analysis. How is that town-motivated? | ||
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Cedric Diggory (Masoner): Hufflepuff Seeker and Prefect, you are a skilled duelist, a natural leader, and a kind soul. With your access to the Prefect's Bathroom you can have private conversations with others where you can't be overheard. You bend the rules, just a little, for Harry Potter to help him solve the puzzle of the second task, since he helped you with the first one. You are a loyal fellow, after all. When Voldie returns to power, you are the first to fall, but at least you die a champion. Each Night, you can select a target. Until the end of the next night, you are masoned with that target. You cannot mason the same target twice. As I read it, Vivax could not have been masoned with anyone D1 so that's easy to rule out. | ||
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On April 25 2013 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't tell me how to play bish. OH NOMINATION NOT THIS GAME...yeah okay, but honestly, don't tell me to shut up. I wouldn't have even been in this situation if I'd have been doing this all game. I need to get back into it because my play has been drifting toward a more lurky style and it's getting me lynched as both alignments. You clearly want to play the role of town who wants to get out of the game. Either vote yourself so we can move on with shit or pick you balls up out of the trash can and do something. Right now you're looking more like me than a good player. | ||
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On April 25 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar intentionally trying to infuriate me and get me to shit up the thread. ##Vote: Palmar EZPZ But VE isn't getting mad. Not whatsoever. He's not responding like he's pissed at all. There are no misspellings in what he's typed. The furthest he's gone is to tell me to fuck off. I'm interested to see how he returns, but how VE's responded reminds me more of how he responded to me in PYP. Plus BM is right, there's not the "intention to kill" in his posts that's there as town. Before getting to reread I felt stronger about lynching Shiao, but right now I much prefer VE. | ||
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On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi What you did there.... I see it I keed I keed. I'm going to remove Palmar and Kush as I doubt they're scum at this point. From filtering: VE: Scum but the mostly likely red guy to be town. He's lacking towny bite. Shiao: Scum Nothing other than Vivax case really needs to be mentioned here Sylencia: Scum I've already posted a case which he tried to sidestep, inactive, the passive inexplicable townread Giygas: NULLTown read x2, Prefers Oats but votes Yamato???, uses an odd heuristic, inactive Hopeless: NULL focuses on tickytack stuff, strange flip in view on rayn, inactive, I haven't WoS: NULL I really want to call him scum so badly especially when he says he has to go back t check on his view on kush. He doesn't have the balls he generally has. My problem is I always think he's scum. Yamato: NULL He's the hardest. He's all over the place. He's not obvtown like I've seen from him from PYP and hydraing, but I'm not seeing scummy intention. The oddest thing about him this game is that he keeps on wanting to lynch people that share his scum reads (Oats/CC). CC: Town weird pro/anti-town meta focus, his reads align with the rayn list pretty well, the scummiest thing about him is that he's not actively pushing an agenda. If rayn's list is solid, then CC isn't actively or passively bussing just less active town which is my impression of him from hydra. Shiao is 'safest' lynch. Dropping the hammer at an odd time with no reason, being inactive, not following up, etcetcetc. VE is the lynch that we need to be on right now; I don't think we'll get a good read out of VE otherwise. Hopeless and Giygas are about equal to me; just sheer inactives. Yamato breaking from the shared reads heuristic bothers me, but judging by filter size he's town. | ||
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On April 25 2013 15:18 yamato77 wrote: Ace, my filter is bigger than yours. Where the fuck do you get "low activity" from? Lol. I can attest to this. Yamato's "filter" is huge. It's almost the size of a child's hand | ||
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On April 26 2013 04:18 Palmar wrote: nah, don't have to. everyone with a brain knows I'm town. So no one knows you're town? | ||
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Personally I think we should start voting Tube until he posts. | ||
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On April 26 2013 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I actually missed this. I'm known to shit up threads. This is a fact and you can ask anyone. It's not outside the realm of possibility and in fact is even viable for a scum team to try and throw me off balance by pissing me off. This is entirely speculative, but there's a direct scum motivation for getting into shit-fighting arguments with me - especially considering it's based on completely fabricated reasoning (I haven't done shit) that applies to other players MORE ACCURATELY. NM I read it wrong. Let me take a different tack. Why would you expect both palmar and Rayn to be scum? | ||
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My point is that you're making the same case against palmR that hes making against you IMO. All activity based. I'm not seeing it. Why lie about a roleblock? That type of shit would come out soon enough. Hell i hounded WoS all game about a 'missing roleblock'. Unless we have leet medic, then you're assuming double stack or withholding a NK. Your shit isn't making sense. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:23 GiygaS wrote: The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful. Hi scum. | ||
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On April 26 2013 08:32 GiygaS wrote: Got to eat dinner first. I'll brb with results. I'd like your read on Shiao. | ||
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His sentiments today: On April 25 2013 16:01 GiygaS wrote: ##Vote ShiaoPi On April 26 2013 01:31 GiygaS wrote: [Rayn list] I agree with most of this, except Yamato and Stutter are null reads, and kush is town. On April 26 2013 01:47 GiygaS wrote: Your point on Ace could be disturbingly true. Anti town play that caused suspicion may have made him play more pro town today, which explains his behavior. ##Vote Ace What we have here town is called a blender. It takes the general viewpoints of town and just mishmashes them together to appear more active and following the thread. Instead he is just following thread sentiment as it goes along. On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? On April 26 2013 08:23 GiygaS wrote: The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful. More than willing to throw shit on VE for a modkill flip. On April 25 2013 20:29 ShiaoPi wrote: Can we kill tube? He does fucking nothing and ninjavotes as well.... Fucking sad Not willing to throw shit on someone who he's voted for and thinks is scum for doing the exact same thing. TODAY WE LYNCH GIYGAS. GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES AND START LOADING UP VOTES BISHES | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:14 ObviousOne wrote: D2 is young, sir. Consider your case noted and acknowledged. I'll vote when I'm ready for the day to end. Aren't we closing in on 48 hours? Why do we need to extend it? | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript: What are your points 2 and 3 about? GiygaS was throwing shit at Palmar, not VE. And what does that ShiaoPi quote have to do with anything? Point 1. He's just following whatever the current trend is as it goes on. Point 2. Calls out VE for the Tube quote after the red flip. He's more than willing to help push the VE lynch without actually adding a vote. Point 3. Unwilling to call out his 'actual' scumread Shiao for doing the EXACT SAME THING!!!! He's treating 2 different players who did something very similar exceptionally differently. He's called Shiao scum multiple times but feels the need to call out VE INSTEAD OF HIS SCUM READ for doing the exact same things. @Rayn. As town do you keep up on your scum read filters or do you ignore them entirely? Do you not find this scummy? | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually how does GiygaS voting for Ace support your point 1? He's only following the thread sentiment the whole time. Even if you think that Giygas is shitting on Palmar instead of VE, that's more gas to the fire. | ||
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On April 26 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: What's your read of Palmar and why geript? Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town. | ||
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On April 26 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? I don't understand this at all. He hasn't done anything at all - that's not reason enough for you to question the roleblock? And the fact that BC claimed RB? Those are both excellent reasons to question the roleblock. So why not question the roleblock? Why is he town OUTSIDE the claim of RB? You don't find it odd that he thought that inactivity was "especially damning" yet he ignored tube the whole game long? You don't find his fail-tunnel of me suspicious at all? Like, it looks to me like you only think he's town because you agree with him that I'm scum, which if that's the case then you're doing something wrong friend...because A) Palmar has given no good reason for thinking I'm scum and B) I'm town. Yes, the second NK could've been on a roleblocked/jailed BC. But that means that, unless scum doublestacked or withheld a NK, that Palmar then was roleblocked/jailed by scum (or they're idiots and NK'd their own jailed target). If Palmar is lying about a roleblock, then it comes out 1-2 nights later regardless. It just doesn't make any sense to me to fakeclaim a roleblock; I've seen it before but in this game but it just doesn't make sense N1. Also, I really liked Rayn's list during N1. Palmar +1'd it. You even said early that Palmar wouldn't have likely made a post regarding Vivax as town. I liked yamato's heuristic that people that share reads with you are more likely to be town. This feels like the PYP palmar to me. As I recall, he was arguing that inactive was "especially damning" for you. I'll look at his filter for you, but I don't remember a flat out "inactivity = scum" statement from him. | ||
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On April 27 2013 06:54 yamato77 wrote: Lol, and then you wanted to tell BC I had responded! Total bullshit, VE. Go take a break. You're tunneling hardcore man. | ||
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On April 24 2013 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: cause I had already read over oats and yamato Those three names were just cause looking at the playerlist I couldn't recall anything about them, reads etc. BC had a ton of stupid miller discussion crap but today he's as green as can be Bed now. This was his last post. Is there a reason to not let mods flip him since its been 72 hours? | ||
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I've worked 24 hours in the past 36. I'll delurk as I please. I dare you to bring an actual case against me. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread? Sorry I missed this question, could you clarify what you mean exactly? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript, you too. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? Why sacrifice a player who isn't going to get modkilled for a player who is? Because I don't think there are any active scum. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:43 yamato77 wrote: THIS IS WHAT ACE RESORTS TO, PEOPLE NOT ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO MY POINTS, BUT THIS REMEMBER, IF I DIE, THAT HE IS MAFIA ![[image loading]](http://www.pentatransport.com/gallery/albums/album03/Tunnel.jpg) | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript are you calling yamato a supercollider? SCUM RIGHT HERE FOLKS ... It's supposed to be a tunnel | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way you can know if clarity is gonna come back or not, unless he has said so in scum chat and you magically know this somehow. What is this, a scumslip? Let me ask you this. When did the clarity lynch target pop back up again? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is i do not think all scum are inactive. Explain why you think that. Who are the active scum who are throwing shit around shitting up the thread? | ||
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On April 26 2013 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Clarity_nl That's 50 hours which is more than enough for a modkill. Hell the vote didn't drop until earlier today. There's no reason to assume that scum didn't help push the case along for towncred or didn't bus their own player to save Shiao. Maybe he told them to bus him. Maybe he was inactive and didn't come back and then said bus him. Maybe anything. I remember being at work watching that train get pushed over the Shiao train. Clarity flipping scum in no way should lead you to believe that Shiao is town. | ||
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On April 28 2013 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, so your conclusion is that mafia did nothing to try to save a mafia guy for getting lynched on D2. Fine. Let's make a deal. We vig ShiaoPi tonight. If he flips town we lynch who i tell the town to lynch. If he somehow flips mafia the mafia is so terrible you can lynch me on D3 and still solve the game easily. Because i can't possibly believe the mafia team this game is so bad and if it is, i'd rather not waste my time with this game any more, because it's useless. Deal... sort of. If he flips scum, then you have to vote with me on D3. If he flips town, I'll sheep you for a day. Sound fair? | ||
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On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into". Well there's this gem: On April 26 2013 23:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Posting from phone: like your analysis of kush, BM. This is one of those things to me that seems to be only one of two possibilities: BM is either extremely right about this, or this is one of those massive fabricated cases by scum in order to achieve a mislynch (like the one kita attempted on me in The Game before I claimed). Great analysis. Either you're right about kush or you're scum. It's like hitting two different birds with one stone while saying he's going to vote for Shiao. In all seriousness, I don't see him having provided any reads or analysis. I'm not even sure why he thinks Shiao is scum. It's pretty generic +1s or likes. On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS. Look Rayn, you're a far better player than myself or WoS which makes me exceptionally sad. As a bad player, having a reasonably claimable role is a huge boon. It's like having something to push off of... an anchor so you don't get blow too far. When under pressure, lots of times I've wanted to snap claim (and a have a few times). Yes, it's the wrong thing to do 99% of the time regardless of role. TBH, I don't think he was thinking when he claimed and that's what makes him town. There's such a gut instinct to snap claim under pressure and I can see the reasoning to claim in this situation to prevent wasting a DT check. On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. Do you really think that's worse than yamato? He's been playing so differently from hydra that I can't see him being town anymore. I'll be looking to case him up tomorrow after my exam. | ||
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So mafia either attacked BC or witheld KP and defensively roleblocked palmar ?? Or Palmar is flat out lying about about the roleblock and mafia attacked BC or withheld KP? Why is it so hard to believe that Palmar was jailed and attacked? It's easy to believe in conspiracy theories when the simplest answer is the best one. | ||
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On April 29 2013 03:53 GiygaS wrote: Also I'm getting tired of the name GiggleS >.< Then give us a reason to take your 'analysis' seriously instead of laugh at it. | ||
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On April 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You get none because you didn't actually care about lynching VE yesterday. I'm going to vote for protection on Rayn | ||
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On April 29 2013 07:12 Palmar wrote: no we can be friends I only need two words from you and I will be your friend. But Brain why do you want him to say "Zart Traz?" | ||
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On April 29 2013 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah whatever you know how well I respond to that shit man. Why Syl? Sylencia is fucking mislynchbait - has been in every game he's played. No one was even talking about him as scum until now, why is he such obvious scum that you feel like you don't even have to explain yourself? People have been talking about him. I made a case on him. Yamato made a case on him. Both are lynch bait or scum. | ||
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On April 29 2013 15:53 TheRavensName wrote: So wait, why do you people want to lynch Siao when the cop is claiming innocent on Shiao as opposed the guilty on Syl? Because CC could be insane and they're both scummy as fuck. | ||
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On April 30 2013 10:25 ShiaoPi wrote: There is another possibility of CC being a sane cop and VE being the liar out of the three. They frame syl n2 you get your friggin redcheck and I am still the townie from my role PM On April 30 2013 10:46 ShiaoPi wrote: also nobody thinks of sane cc and framed syl as possibillity??? On April 30 2013 10:56 ShiaoPi wrote: I am guessing around since I am town and cant get around the notion that CC being insane implicates me. you being miller should be considered too. I am saying that either the described scenario happened or that CC is lying Notice how he wholly ignores the possibility that he's a miller. | ||
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I see no role that he could claim that doesn't make me want to lynch him faster. Any claim at all makes him an super autolynch. Like regardless of the check. Honestly, I just want to move on to the next lynch. | ||
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On April 30 2013 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't see those as blue crumbs at all. I don't even know what you're referring to. Really? You don't consider the fact that he doesn't consider the option that he could be a miller a possibility a blue tell? | ||
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On May 01 2013 06:22 geript wrote: I think we should consider looking into Artanis and stutters. I mean, why would the host replace inactive town just to mod kill scum? On May 01 2013 06:23 geript wrote: Could've ended up with a double stack (scum + 3p) on CC. Could be BC/ Palmar for SK with a roleblock. We'll know more after tonight. Qff | ||
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On May 02 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait I gotta ask about this...in The Game I checked a couple people who died at night, and I didn't get returns back. Geript did you guys RB me every night but N1? right. We RB'd you every night after you claimed and you claimed on D2. | ||
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On May 02 2013 04:28 kushm4sta wrote: Who did VE want to kill today? Yamato. Today Yamato must die. ##vote yamato Give your reasons why... I want to see how closely they compare to my reasons for wanting to lynch yamato. Honestly though, I'd like to see Ace not roleblocked to see if he's SP or something. | ||
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On May 02 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok just making sure. I never was sure if you'd still get a return on a check if the target died. So what do YOU want to do today? Drink beer and relax, you? As for a check on dead players... idk I think it depends per mod. Honestly, I think who I want to kill very much depends on who was roleblocked etc. Like, if we think that there could be a SP, then I want to lynch the fuck out of Ace. If we got a vigilante claim, then I'd wholly ignore Ace. My count is 16 players, so 14-2 or 13-2-1; If it's the latter than we lynch Ace and make it easy. If it's the former then we have 5 mislynches available at least, maybe 6 dependent. Right now, considering the pace of the game I just want to lynch lurkers. It gives us a very good idea of what type of scum team and setup we're looking at in 2-3 days | ||
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On May 02 2013 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Let's do work, you and I. Personally I'm still pretty sure we have a 3rd party, and it's not SK, it's poisoner. It makes the most sense as to why we only had one night with 2 kills; I've explained previously why I think it's likely to be Ace. It's also the simplest explanation if you take RBs into account; rather than try to account for missing kills and whatnot due to stacking of RBs AND kills, I think it was that on N2 both scum and town RBed Ace and that was it. We don't have any vigs because we'd have more people dead---yours truly being one of them. Or they hit 3p with an extra night life in which case they should REALLY claim, but I figure if that were the case they would have done that a while ago. Whoever our JK is has been doing a great job. Now we can continue to RB Ace as it seems we only have to worry about one death a night that way, or we can let the JK target someone else if people want to be absolutely sure of him since the kills are compulsive. That requires us lynching mafia 2 days in a row (though obv we have room for mislynches at worst) since the poisoner NK takes an extra day. As far as lynch targets goes are we sure we want to lynch into lurkers? VE wanted yamato gone but thought there was some merit to the BC case? Do we want to follow him or OO or head in a different direction? Personally I am a little worried that none of Ace/Palmar/BC/(BM?) have gone down yet so I feel like I'm more likely to vet lynch today---that heuristic does seem to hold value that they're alive for a reason. I think it's more important that we lynch mafia today than Ace (assuming 3p) since he's been kept at bay thus far. I think the right call would be to give a night off of RBing Ace. It's an easy way to exclude him as 3p which just leaves town imo. Doesn't take that long and only costs us 1 and I don't think it even costs us a mislynch. So I don't see a reason to lynch ace currently. | ||
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On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: It's really obvious he's mafia. Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. I'm still not sold on you not being mafia. Even if you aren't mafia, then it's pretty obvious that you haven't been playing well at all this game. So you calling someone scum makes me not want to sheep you because you're likely tilted and wrong. | ||
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On May 02 2013 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote: See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato. Ace being on board doesn't bother me. He could be the SP, but I think he would've pushed a non-scum lynch D2 after the tube flip to keep scum KP at 2. I'll reread his filter when I get home. I'm just not satisfied with the hopeless lynch and want to go elsewhere. I remember being ok with Artanis/stutters after filtering them this afternoon. I just don't have any strong scum targets I like right now. | ||
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On May 03 2013 00:58 geript wrote: Again the best option is to have the roleblocker block elsewhere for one night. That will show us if we should kill him or not. There's no reason to kill him until proof to the otherwise. He's confirmed not scum. qff | ||
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On May 03 2013 03:04 geript wrote: Ok, so why doesn't town vig claim so we can avoid lynching Ace. If no vig claim then lynch Ace. That works too I guess. fucking failure at running on hydra | ||
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1. His last lynch targets were Palmar, Hopeless and BC. 2. He just had gotten done trolling a case against BC 3. He trolled Palmar wanting to lynch BC 4. He trolls Kush for calling out Palmar/BC/Ace (2/3 he doesn't actually want lynched) Ace clearly had 0 interest in lynching BC ever. But he still wanting a scum on his list of targets, preferably the 'better talker' of the two. The next thing I want to draw your attention to is this quote: On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? On May 02 2013 06:40 Ace wrote: I've got a job but my activity hasn't died. I've been around. And yes OF COURSE I was roleblocked. Palmar gets lynched because his claim was shoddy to begin with. "I'm lazy" isn't a valid defense lol. He wanted to lynch BC and didn't even take into account he could be paranoid. Get rid of him. On May 02 2013 07:16 Promethelax wrote: [blue]~~~ Vote Count ~~~ Yamato77 (1) kushm4sta Hopeless1der (2) Yamato77, Artanis[Xp] Palmar (1) Ace Here's the vote count from then. Ace has used the phrase "get rid of" 4 times, 3 of which are clear references to lynches. But in this instance it's odd because he's not really even trying to exert himself to get the lynch. Rather it looks like him saying "Get rid of Palmar" is him trying to express to his scum read that they are on the same side and that they both need palmar out of the way. On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? WoS' response reads to me like he's telling Ace, "He wasn't on the block for killing tonight but it depends on how thread sentiment goes." What's interesting about WoS is that he seems to be following Ace that day but has this to say: On May 02 2013 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote: See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato. This looks like scum WoS knew that Ace would flip 3p or was reasonably sure of it and wanted to gain some easy town cred for it. Last 2 scum: BC and WoS. gg | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote: This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess. On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was new; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet. On April 27 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote: What is it people find scummy about Giygas again? That he's opportunistic or something? I dunno once again I don't think I have enough to go on here...in fact probably even less than Clarity because many of Giygas's reads and thoughts coincide somewhat with mine. He said he was going to look into me though so I'm interested to hear what he comes up with. Also looking through his filter I saw CC's massive reads list post. CC still think I'm scum, breh? If so, why? Hell, if not, why? On April 27 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for the million posts; I'm going out for a bit so there's plenty for people to read into me here and respond to I hope, but before I go: ##Vote: ShiaoPi I doubt in the few hours I'm gone anyone is getting lynched and I don't personally see any better candidates for today, especially considering the idea that it's better to start lynching into vets tomorrow. The most interesting part is right here: On April 27 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now. What's up, guy? On April 27 2013 04:21 Stutters695 wrote: Was typing out a response and I thought I made it pretty clear here + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote: VE:I thought between the Vivax case and your points that the case on Shiao was pretty good. What specifically made you switch to Palmar over Shiao? I can understand why Palmar's posting is like he is, but Shiao has hammered oats when he hadn't interacted or even mentioned him all game with a very weak justification (Oats wasn't doing shit so why not hammer him for info [which he never brought up again]). I'm just not following what made you so sold on Palmar over him. Not only has WoS tried to bring up other lynchbait, he's looking to pressure a player for voting with him. There's nothing alignment indicative there. But notice how quickly he goes from "you scummy for being hypocritcal bro" to "oh shit I'm not paying attention." Then after the flip we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Clarity Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well. Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis): Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them. Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case. Then this: Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check?? Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever: tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE. We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it). I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore. So we see him pushing away from Shiao and following thread sentiment, then backtrack on it later on. On April 29 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright well aside from this cop bullshit, are Sylencia and Shiao worth lynching of their own (lack of) merit? Personally after discussing last night with geript and rayn I don't see why Shiao is town, and I'd have to re-read the case on Sylencia as well as look at him myself. Ace are you going to be looking to push one of the cop claims? Yamato? What's your target for today? 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On May 06 2013 08:16 Blazinghand wrote: WoS has been warned for inactivity! I believe that's a scum tell in this game.... Lol | ||
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On May 07 2013 06:53 yamato77 wrote: BC, if you're town, get your head out of your ass. I hope everyone appreciates the irony of this statement. | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote: I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable. Qff | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:37 Sharrant wrote: If you gave us Palmar, if you analyzed him so hard, how could you have never realized that his claim was wrong? Not once did you even hint that, if he is a cop, his sanity was not confirmed as what he said it was. I've been sitting on that since the moment he checked OO, I was sure it was how it would go down, and I haven't even been particularly interested in Palmar aside from that point. If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed? | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote: No, it isn't. Whatever, lynch me, I'm done arguing with you. No, you're not. We're going to lynch scum today. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You tunneled me virtually all game as well, i am a townie. 4 people having the same read of you is an indication with a problem of your play. Also don't bash VE, he was doing far better than you are. You defended two mafia he had a hand in lynching. Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens. On May 07 2013 12:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town. | ||
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[spoiler] On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: [/spoilerStutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible. WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum. Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town. TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town. Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it. Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you. BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town. Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious. Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically. That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass. That post got me thinking. These type of reads are the exact same type of things he'd give on a player when I would ask about them in the hydra QT. The attitude he's showing also looks far more like VE in The Game than anything else I've seen. That's defeated town attitude where you have impetus to not give up but want to give up. I want to filter him more fully since I'm home now, but having time to think about that post at work and how things have panned out make me not want to lynch yamato. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:20 TheRavensName wrote: B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind. Fair point. Then if not yamato or Palmar then I need to go back and reread to figure out who looks good to lynch then. | ||
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On May 09 2013 04:42 geript wrote: Meh. I just don't care right now. I'm on a week long break that I thought would give me time and want to be invested, but the longer it goes on the more I'm focusing on other things. I just shouldn't have played this game. I need a break, both in real life and from mafia. I'm actually enjoying the NMM game far more despite not terribly following it. Constantly realizing how bad I am at this game just makes me want to return and focus on the games that I am exceptional at and thoroughly enjoy. I don't know how to convince people to listen to me and my reputation doesn't help any; I just don't see a point in putting in effort. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just worth my vote and nothing more. Palmar could actually be insane if they have a second framer or a saved JOAT. I still want to lynch him for being an ass. qff | ||
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On May 09 2013 07:12 Palmar wrote: Assuming that scum did NOT hold their block, BC can, I suppose, be safely removed from the pool of players I need to look at today, leaving 4. geript stutters hopeless giggles I think that this list is shit. Inactivity at this point is less likely to come from scum we're in the phase where inactivity kills. If they felt defeated already they could've just conceded after Ace was killed. Scum obviously feel confident that despite being shit on early, they have a good shot at winning, that means that scum are likely more active than inactive. If anything, Palmar's just throwing shit out to push another mislynch. He's bitching about people calling him scum is based on shit; that's the pot calling the kettle black. His whole case on yamato was shit. Here's his case on Oats: "He called me scum so Oats is totes scum." Here's Palmar's case on yamato: "Yamato called me scum so he's totes scum." Fuck you Palmar, we're not that dumb. You've made a bullshit claim and made bullshit pushes for bullshit reasons. You're a hypocrit and an idiot. VE's right, you're wrong more than you are right and no one should ever listen to you. The fact that you are 'alive' at this point is ridiculous. Besides, you had to 'check' to see if you taking a hit after being jailed would be told; you were only checking to see if you could safely claim the hit. It also explains why there was only 1 roleblock on N2 because you recognized Ace was scum and didn't want to die. Ace must've taken the hit on N1. Proofs and shit. | ||
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On May 09 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys. Catching up now. This reminds me of a time when a crazy player I knew who got lynched D1 posted like right after the lynch saying he'd be more active somehow completely missing the fact that he was lynched. | ||
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On May 10 2013 02:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WoS, I'm considering BC confirmed town with the Sharrant flip so I'd say that's very unlikely too. I already had a townread on GiggleS, your analysis compounds that. I wish we heard more from others though. BM, BC, TRN and geript especially. What do you want to hear about? How Palmar has been pushing bullshit? How I think he had to keep VE alive to get him on his side before killing him? How lots of flipped town have been suspicious of him at some point? How his roleclaim stuff is complete fakeable bullshit? Hell, he could even have been making the claim he's making both as VT or scum. How there's no reason for him to be alive that I can think of at this point over OO? How I'm barely even keeping up with the game? How I think that today is the best day to lynch him for information in the least? | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This makes me happy I decided not to put in the effort :z Sure, I'll sheep that list. | ||
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Day 1: push Oats/Yamato Day 2: push VE; sheep onto clarity Day 3: push BC; sheep onto Sylencia Day 4: obv lynch Day 5: sheep on Ace Day 6: push Yamato again Day 7: get active under pressure One of the things that Bugs told me after The Game was that it's not hard as scum to not get lynched even if you are under scrutiny. Without open and shut things you can always find a way to talk yourself out. This is exactly what Palmar's doing now. His voting record is complete shit. Palmar isn't this bad. He's claiming not-knowing, not having figured it out. He's flipped his opinion on so many people. Everything he's saying is complete bullshit. The real bottom line is that scum wouldn't be inactive now. Being inactive now is as close to a death sentence as anything else but everyone wants to equate it with that right now. Make the right choice and vote Palmar. | ||
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On May 11 2013 07:27 Hopeless1der wrote: fuck it why not... ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: TheRavensName Does anyone read this as anything but a survival vote? I'll review his recent stuff when I get home but iirc hopeless was thinking TRN was town. | ||
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On May 12 2013 02:53 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not 100% surprised but either way something had to be done. Honestly geript is looking very likely to me atm. Hopefully we can learn something though now and with the NK. Is it my turn to be tunneled by you now? I don't see any reason to move my vote. Palmar needs to go. | ||
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1. I'm a billion times more invested as scum than as town 2. The competitive games I play have had 3 major events 3 weeks in a row counting this week You've tunneled me for what 2 days now? Didn't you even say that I'd be tunneling you or something? I'm happy to just lynch you then lynch me. | ||
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On May 15 2013 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Note Geript not voting. Palmar what's your excuse? Meh, you're being crazy. If Kush is scum, there's very little reason for either of us to not be pushing another lynch. If he's scum and I'm town, then I'm bad. If he's town and I'm scum, there's 0 reason to not fabricate a reason to hammer him. You said even a 1:1 trade is good; idk maybe it is but I think 1:1 trades are always bad for scum. I had a town read on Kush earlier; I think the "inactive now" argument is bad. I'd rather lynch palmar. | ||
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Lynchs: D1 Oats D2 Clarity D3 Sylencia D4 Shiao D5 Ace D6 Yamato D7 Kush NKs N1 Vivax + ??? (likely Ace) N2 Grush + Rayn N3 MrCC N4 VE N5 OO N6 Sharrant N7 TRN Roleblocks: N1 Palmar + BC N2 Ace + ??? (likely Ace) N3 Ace + VE N4 Ace ??? N5 BC?? N6 ??? Palmar checks: N1: BC--roleblocked N2: BC--red N3: VE--red N4: none N5: WoS--red N6: Geript--red N7: ??? + Show Spoiler [Palmar pushes] + D1: Oats/Geript/VE+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote: VE is to me one of the easiest people to read in this game. Not worried enough about him to spend time wondering about stuff like that. D2: VE / Clarity sheep for no reason D3: BC challenge thing with roleclaim / Sylencia D4: obv Shiao D5: Ace for 3p + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2013 06:02 Sharrant wrote: As do I, but the whole reason we're having this conversation is because Palmar sait that Ace is confirmed as third party, however unlikely mafia shooting Grush is, only mafia know for certain whether Ace is third party or not. Thus it is very important. And yeah, WoS, I just felt it needed to be reminded to everyone else again. Only the first bit was about you, the rest was to everyone else. Patience and repetition. Hey, Palmar, what checks did you do, and what results did you receive? You checked BC (RB'ed), BC (guilty), VE (guilty) is there one I'm missing? D6: BC yet again after calling him likely town / Yamato D7: Getmoript Basically if you read the filter, all Palmtree has been doing all game is flat out calling people scum for no reason whatsoever. He refuses to actually produce any sort of analysis and continually talks about how much shit he's done. If someone calls him scum, then he calls them scum and his name has way more weight behind it for no reason. He's been intentionally useless all game long and as of D8 HAS YET TO LEAD A LYNCH ON SCUM!!!. I have a real hard time believing that Palmar is absolutely this bad. In fact, with the exception of Clarity everyone who is dead who he's called scum was green and he didn't do shit at all to push Clarity. Looking at the NKs, I can't see a reason for scum to not kill Palmar on N5 in line with the rest of the cops unless they already knew that that he was paranoid which of course is impossible considering his 2 results to that point. On top of that, as best we can know BOTH SCUM AND TOWN seem to have roleblocked Ace on N2; because of Ace's response to Palmar's claimed "taking a hit" I think Ace actually took a hit N1 which lead to scum RBing him on N2. Plus, throughout the series of Palmar's pushes against more vet players he completely avoids pushing Ace entirely. Palmar must be scum; why else would he be alive at this point? | ||
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On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote: Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript. Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote: [/spoiler]Still think VE is the best lynch. But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case. It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it. So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity. Lessgo. This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? | ||
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On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote: Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok? I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true? No, I admitted that there's no good reason for BC, you or me to be alive. And yes, I hold a good player to a higher standard than myself. Can you explain why you've been so wrong Emperor Palmtree? | ||
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On May 16 2013 09:53 Palmar wrote: Do you stand by your assessment that I have done no analysis or refused to give reasoning this game? Is this opinion of yours based on extensive read of my filter? Your reasoning for voting for people has pretty consistently been that they called you scum aside from clarity and that was well after clarity was already going to happen. You've failed to produce analysis which actually has lead to a scum lynch. So yah. | ||
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On May 16 2013 10:24 Palmar wrote: @Geript, can you please give your reasons as to why you thought Kush was scum. You hammered him without much analysis at all, even after I asked people to relax. I didn't care. I had a town read on him from earlier in the game; people didn't buy my reasoning on you clearly. So if I wanted to lynch you then I figured he'd have to go first. How is it that all of the town reads you've gotten right seem to die just afterwards: Vivax town D1 died N1 Rayn sheep died N2 Grush died N2 although likely by Ace CC dead N3 Sharrant dead N5 Artanis dead N6 Stutters/BM got mod killed But like every guy you've called town except for two Ace/Shiao died And yah, you called Shiao town too iirc. Yet, if you're so good at spotting other town why have you been kept around especially when you claimed cop D3 and by you own admission could've been insane; yet you just 'assumed' that you're paranoid. | ||
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On May 17 2013 07:05 Palmar wrote: Please modkill the people who abused the fucking time after the hammer was made to make themselves look town Lol | ||
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side note: claiming paranoid cop on D3 makes sense to try to kill a possible SK or quit a losing effort Technically he could be sane if I'm a framer and framed BC N2 then VE N3 but that would make him sane or paranoid which would still mean an autokill practically. Plus, that would be a super odd setup with 2 framers and 2 millers. | ||
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On May 17 2013 18:09 Palmar wrote: BC isn't confirmed town I'm not scum. But hey it's ok. Wrong and wrong. There's no way for BC to be scum. He's just trying to wriggle out of a lynch. Lets go over the past day: I vote for Palmar and there's no double pound and GG. This 100% means that at least one of Palmar and I have to be scum. Next BC votes for Giygas; with no double pound and GG that means that at least one of BC and Giygas are scum. This confirms WoS as town. Since WoS becomes confirmed town, Giygas must be scum. The last option is between BC/Palmar; had BC/Giygas been a team then they double stack palmar for the insta GG. Hence Palmar is scum. He hasn't tried to explain why I'm scum or how I'm scum, instead he's doing shit. Maybe if he calls himself town a few more times then we should believe him. It's not hard to figure out just vote palmar. | ||
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On May 18 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I don't get how BC is scum. You on the other hand..... Look. You can either believe me or him. There's strong impetus for him to make the NKs he's made and almost none for me. It's not like I can out argue him; this isn't a game i play where I have a good reputation (yet). I have yet to actually convince people to follow my wagon in a big game. If he's convinced you then we lose. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:28 Palmar wrote: Didn't I try to get him lynched two days in a row now? Sure, but you were alive for a reason. Should've been obvious around the OO kill. | ||
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While I think there should be a ban for the post, I honestly don't think there was any real information which Marv posted which wasn't already in the removal post by BH. Nothing made me mod-confirmed town. Town assumed that. Plus it forced me to be exceptionally intentionally bad/useless to explain me living which skirts the line of being lynched myself. The format and lineup exceptionally favored town. This was towns game to lose and town imploded. Much of my play was mediocre at best. I recognized the strategy that I had to play to and when I had to alter it due to playing otherwise putting us in a worse position. I'm a great strategist but a bad player. I don't think there's much more to be said. | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:31 Blazinghand wrote: I changed the rules explicitly to allow you guys to use the QT you want... I just remember reading it once and never checked the OP. I am not claiming my memory was correct. Just my memory of an event a month ago that fwiw I read once or maybe twice. | ||
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