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Is it safe to assume scum didn't post yet? | ||
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On April 21 2013 22:38 TheRavensName wrote: Huh... I was curious to see how big boys start playing the game... and less then a page's worth of posting totals I see an OMGuS. I feel somewhat surprised; apparently the way newbies open mafia games is the right way? PS: Bill Murray yelling indoors is really mean. Oooo, an omgus, interesting. Are you okay with the way Oats is playing the game? | ||
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On April 21 2013 22:48 TheRavensName wrote: I'm not a 100% sure what hes doing, but if you want to call it playing then... maybe? Truth be told the fact that palmer just randomly takes offense to a baseless acucsation in a game that just started doesn't make a lot of since to me. He's asking for a base to the accusation, precisely. Do you have any ideas to get some discussion started? Your entrance kinda looked like you tried to downplay what's going on in the thread, which in turn makes me think you're trying to communicate reasons for not doing anything. Do you think this description fits your play or did your posts have other purposes? | ||
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On April 21 2013 23:01 TheRavensName wrote: I thought it just genuinely showed disapointment. I've always had difficulty understand what to do at the start of day 1, and I see that there really is no good way to start day 1 in a purely productive way. So I suppose your right, I'm trying to downplay what happens because it doesn't seem productive, unless of course we need to know why Yamato has many weapons that arn' t guns..... And I think its more suspicious to ask in that way rather than, just ask.... seeing as how he didn't even vote baselessly or hasn't made an ssue out of it yet. If we went after everyone who accused someone day 1 just kinda in passing, we'd never get anything resembling a case or something. I don't think Oats would answer even if Palmar just asked, cause Oats rather seems to be trolling and careless about getting something productive out of this day. P said he would vote for him until he heard a proper motivation from Oats to call him scum, nothing followed, so Oats seems to oppose discussion and doesn't want to show his townieness through cooperation. The question is: How do we handle people who don't want to cooperate? Do we threaten Oats with a lynch? Do we ask him nicely to play like someone that puts thought into his posts? | ||
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On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? How will you handle someone that denies every insight into his thoughts, posting random, baseless accusations, sarcastically admitting he's scum, and whom you won't be able to read? Would you lynch such a person or not? | ||
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On April 21 2013 23:27 TheRavensName wrote: Yes... but I wouldn't just jump on them for trolling at the start of the game and making one insight that touched a nerve. You also didn't answer my question: If your so intent on making him talk, why are you not voting for him yourself? My vote alone wouldn't be enough for the purpose of taming Oats, as opposed to letting him know that his way of playing will get him lynched by a majority of others, if he doesn't step it up. | ||
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That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote: @palmar's read on vivax: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote: I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:43 Hopeless1der wrote: That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread. | ||
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I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. | ||
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On April 22 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh hokay. Makes sense. So marv can I count on the fact that your first major scumread will almost certainly be town? You usually have pretty good insight into Palm's doings, what's your take on him thus far? You mention that you don't want to lynch him but don't state why. Do you want to lynch him? | ||
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On April 22 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Not this early, no, but the difference between me and what marv did is he states a whole bunch of reads and specifically stated who he doesn't want to lynch without including Palmar in those reads. I don't have a read on Palmar at all, therefore I have no reason to lynch him. YET. I kinda fail to see the reason for why you ask somebody about his townread on Palmar, if you don't have intention to lynch Palmar/think he's scum. If you could explain your motivation for that question, maybe, cause I seem to lack creativity. It's basically a similar question to the one asked by hopeless. Hopeless questions was still more scummy cause of its selectivity and cause I can see it coming from scum who don't want townies who trust each other. | ||
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I need people to support me in my just cause against hopeless1der. He prefers to discredit townreads and talking about heuristics instead of finding scum. Kush, let's join forces again. Let's become a psychoactive contraceptive another time. | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. Still, he felt the urge to post to tell us that he didn't have the urge to post anything constructive since he felt there was no discussion? Newbies can be zealous townies, too. If some dude is an overzealous newbie who talks a lot of stupid stuff it's still much townier than someone who mentions reasons to not do anything, and then doesn't post when the discussion he felt was lacking actually started. | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? You were very focused on the BM issue initially, but not on anything else, then asked me a question regarding BM cause I posted something similar to OO's post (wait for BM). I replied I didn't want to discuss it at that point, you asked why I discussed BM earlier if I didn't want to discuss him at that point, in a way that looked aggressive to me, as if you wanted to say that it's scummy for me to do that ,but you didn't keep up with that when I didn't answer, and then proceeded to go away/lurk or whatever you were doing. 1. It looked nitpicky. 2. Looks to me like you were bloating up the BM issue, and your interest into me and the issue itself didn't seem genuine. I don't know why you were so quick to think BM claimed miller, or why you want to lynch claimed millers. But that's not what I find alignment indicative, at most those are points I disagree with. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: What concerns me about you on this is the following: You state that there is no reason to discuss this atm, yet you are giving BM an out in the first place by discussing the matter and saying this kinda stuff: Why are you so eager to give BM the "right" answers if you want him to expalin himself? | ||
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Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. or this later post: On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote: If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy. | ||
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If he claims Miller, feel free to counterclaim. BM is the first I'd lynch to see which one is the actual miller. If BM said severus snape for "fun", he's on my red half of the list. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. Fuck knows if he was claiming miller, I don't know. No one knows until he tells us. But I said that it could have been a scum move. If he soft-claims miller like that it could lure out town millers, and then he could say that he posted some drunkard stuff to defend himself against their accusations of him fakeclaiming. If, on the other hand, no townie reacts to his claim, he might feel safe to fakeclaim miller for himself. You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding my post. Purpose of my post was to draw attention to BM's strange behaviour, and taking away in advance whatever malicious intentions he might have had. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:57 Sharrant wrote: Please someone comment on my last post. Tell me I'm not going crazy, and that the man who has been solely pushing for BM's policy lynch just came into the thread, responded to something not even about his policy lynch of BM, and claimed he has never been trying to policy lynch BM. You have my full support. You look so townie I almost could cry that you got mislynched last game. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Geript's reads post was pretty awful with lots of maybe's, wouldn't mind lynching him. Ace seems like he is not willing to do much. I didn't really understand the Sylencia-stuff yamato pointed out. Maybe it's because English is not my mother tongue, i just don't see how he was "little too nervous". I don't think Oats has done anything alignment indicative. Sharrant seems to be not understanding what i'm trying to say. Same could be said about kush, although i think he's town. I think you are town. I think TRN & Palmar are town aswell. That's pretty much everything i have read atm. Ok. First i want to clarify that although I have you as scummish, I'm not trigger-happy with people on the chopping block in instant-majority. So let's talk a little about these reads. Geript is modconfirmed town. Arguably unfair that he is, but marv's behaviour is most definitely not coming from scum. I feel sad for both sides (marv and scum) on this one, but that's for postgame. I had ace among the scummish until he asked Palmar that question, since then he's rather nullish. Sylencia doesn't concern me much cause he claimed VT and was a very early participant. I'm not lynching him today at least. I have Oats on the scummish side of things. Kush town, same here. Palmar not too sure, but leaning town, not lynching him today. TRN scummy, but maybe noob town, expecting input. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Can you have a look at these and tell me what you think of them? - WoS - Hopeless - GIYIGAS - Drazak | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you? Mostly meta differences between his town and scum play. You'll hear the exact reasons once I feel like making a case. Could you see WoS being scum or do you feel safe in assuming he's town? | ||
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Do you want to question Sylencia's alignment? Cause I don't see why you are pointing this stuff out if that's not your intention. | ||
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Sharrant, can you look at hopeless? Let me summarize his play so far: Attempts to stop people from getting townreads, agreeing with Kush on geript being town cause of marv. Basically, he started the game with a rather odd question. I don't think it's a prime interest for town to ask someone to expand on his townreads, especially at that early stage in the game. Why, you ask? Scum doesn't want townreads between townies, town doesn't care about townreads unless it concerns one of their scumreads, and neither me nor Palmar seemed to look scummy to hopeless, so I don't see his motivation for asking that question except for looking like he's doing something or let us talk about secondary stuf | ||
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I feel mixed about Rayn, hopeless spends his energies on arguing why a heuristic that doesn't matter at all was wrong, when the point about him being scummy is precisely that discussing the heuristic is entirely unproductive and shouldn't concern town. The point about him being scum is not the heuristic, it's about being interested in stuff that shouldn't concern townies. | ||
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Palmar, care to tell me why hopeless is town in your opinion? It might help me shorten my list of possible scum. | ||
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On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote: also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game. So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. I don't see Rayn in your list. He's among the Who knows I suppose? Took a look at OO. His posts look very thought out, but I can't draw the line between thought out and artificial yet. He does tell us quite a bit about how he's going to look through filters and stuff, instead of directly getting to the point with the conclusion he gets out of them. That reads somewhat scummy to me, and he seems kinda self-centered in his posts. | ||
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On April 23 2013 01:25 TheRavensName wrote: What policy are you advocating/open to exactly? A lurker lynch or did I miss anoth er policy that wasn't the miller claim one? Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. | ||
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Hopeless pisses me off. Let's get a somewhat methodical approach to this since it's turning into shit-throwing. Hopeless : Why is Rayn scum? Why do you lurk like a mofo? Rayn: What would be your course of action today if you couldn't lynch Sharrant? I see that you two get into each other's hair for stuff that proves the other to be wrong on something (You for saying controversial stuff about BM, he for saying you're trying to take credit from TRN's defense) | ||
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On April 23 2013 01:57 TheRavensName wrote: Ah I see. And your active scumspect is Ray? My lab is about to start so I can't really glance through all the lurkers right now but personally I would rather lynch someone more scummy and active, so many lurkers that its such a crap shoot on hitting a right one. D1 lynches are often a crapshoot. If you think we shouldn't lynch a lurker, then bring ahead a better option. Mislynching lurkers doesn't hurt town outside of numbers and actually reduces the pool of insecurities, mislynching actives does pretty much always hurt town. | ||
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To me, early game: Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. About me, lately in big post: Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic. why first you say my post was null, and then say it puts me on the townier side of things, all the while arguing against the heuristic? | ||
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On April 23 2013 02:12 Hopeless1der wrote: You had two posts that were being referenced. The first was that everyone before you was town. That was nonsense and the reckless part I refer to. The flippant response to ShiaoPi gave me a similar vibe to what Palmar cited. My issue with Palmar's post was that it did not seem well thought out and was actively putting on blinders regarding your alignment. He supported his read with some throwaway reasoning and it read as sketchy buddying to me. VE pointed out that it is unlikely to come from Palmar, but that's how I viewed it and wanted to see what was up. As a general feel, I can see how someone might believe that scum are more likely to lurk in their qt at first, but...just no. Not true at all, especially in the way that you used it and in the way that Palmar supported your foolishness. At the end of all this it scarcely matters because Palmar remains on my "look at when he's still alive day 3" list. Well, what gave me reason for concern was your motivation behind that attack, not if you were right on the heuristic, cause that (and you also questioning somebody else's townread on VE) gave me the impression that your goal in this game is to antagonize townreads, not argue why somebody is scum, which is something you clearly were doing, and doesn't seem like something a townie would feel like doing, since you would be attempting to reduce confusion about people's alignments and persuade others about them, not trying to keep alive the confusion by arguing over townreads. Not sure if it was just bad play, since it could easily be scumplay too. But if you want to do something more useful than stopping others from getting townreads, then point us towards your scumreads please. | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed. I am just aware of the influence a player with strong reputation can have even without proper reasoning behind it, which makes it a dangerous attribute if that player is mafia. I wanted to have it pointed out, now that you and ace are trumpeting for a yamato lynch. I am not contesting the quality of your read as I'm suspicious of yamato and OO myself, but I'm contesting the process through which we might be heading to the lynch, which is quickly and without further investigation on why yamato or OO might be mafia. I disagree with your reasons to call OO scum, as it works from the premise that there's scum waiting to claim miller, as you seem to say here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Simple, its setting up a situation in which a miller can claim to get himself not lynched. Guess what? if you are someone who gets red checks on you, you get lynched or shot. If I claim self aware miller and town accepts it, whats to stop mafia from doing it once? Whats to stop them from doing it period and hope to god a ton of other people don't claim? If you accept bullshit claims like that then it auto confirms people for no reason other than players are stupid. If you are someone who gets a red check when checked you die. Even if you disagree with his policy, I don't see it necessarily coming from scum, speaking of which, I wouldn't have lynched a miller if he claimed right at the start of the game, but it wouldn't be a reason to give him leeway either. @ Yamato Can you go in depth with your most important reads, as they seem to have very little foundation? Townies can have "ass" reasons to call you scum as well. Also explain your unusual play, does it have a background or do you think you played "standard"? | ||
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##Vote Oatsmaster His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression. Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats. | ||
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On April 22 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Right, so Im scum because I questioned VE's town read on Palmar off 1 post when VE offered no explanation other than, 'only town palmar does this'. Makes a whole lotta sense. OO I explained why I found the first post of Palmar scummy earlier, short summery was that he asked the thread to discuss a townread rather than a scumread and I found that pointless and useless this stage of the game. Palmar day 1 either lurks like a fucker or is useful. So far not useful but I like his responses after that. Also VE has decent reads and Im feeling like town VE although I apparently cant read him. DONT CARE. Bleh, Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING. Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever. Facts about the bolded: - Oats says VE has good reads - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Palmar would never make this read as scum. Discuss - VE had geript as scumread before Oats posted this, but when Oats posted this: 1. Geript was basically modconfirmed 2. Nowhere do we see that Oats is agreeing on VE's scumread on geript. Wishywashy post with lots of unconfirmed and incorrect stuff. Add the meta to it and you have a tiptop D1 lynch. /summon Palmar | ||
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On April 22 2013 10:55 ObviousOne wrote: As far as Oats is concerned, I'm going to give him a full day to put his madness in the thread, make a call, and stick with my read at that point. For sanity reasons. @Oats You called Palmar scum, I'd love to know why. I don't see Palmar being scum at this point. Show me how Palmar is scum and maybe you will get a couple townie points. Alright, so Oats called Palmar scum and didn't explain it yet, oats received some explanation from VE on why Palmar is supposedly town. On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote: The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. Oats then says some stuff about VE being town when it was never a point to his accusation. Why the fuck does Oats suddenly mention reasons for VE being town when the whole point was that 1. He called Palmar scum without initial justification 2. His justification seemed to be that Palmar gave me a townread 3. Giygas said that Oats was antagonizing townreads His two aggressors never ask Oats about his scumreads, or criticize him for not mentioning any. And yet oats feels like posting a lot of half-assed reads. That's cause he's scared, and tries to do things that look townie, only under pressure, and even if they're not part of the accusations made against him. Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING. Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever. Oats doesn't follow up on these reads, and prefers to chime in with a joke Palmar made, and generally is pretty uninvolved. Aside from this post, Oats whole filter looks like he doesn't care about solving the game. | ||
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Does it look like he tries to pursue these reads outside of this post? | ||
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VE, would you prefer Oats over Yamato? You just say you'd get behind a lynch, but if you had to choose? | ||
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On April 23 2013 07:32 yamato77 wrote: Could both BC and Ace both be mafia? That would be pretty funny. Where's your enthusiasm, boy. You said Oats could be scum earlier. Is he your scumbuddy or what. | ||
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On April 23 2013 07:59 yamato77 wrote: It's actually kinda funny, I wanted to roll mafia this game. Damn. Ironic, isn't it | ||
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You said you wanted to lynch Oats earlier. There's a pretty awesome case against him on the previous page. You come back ignoring it and spouting some weird nonsense about ace and BC, acting all emo and saying insane sounding things, joining BM in a ridiculous spamfest. I was looking for a circus poster to post while watching the thread grow from your posts like cancer. | ||
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On April 23 2013 08:39 Ace wrote: could it be that yamato and Oats are both Scum but Oats has a great role so they want him to live for one day? I just wrote a post where I speculate that. I'm just not sure if I should submit. | ||
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On April 23 2013 08:48 Vivax wrote: WoS, what do you make of yamato's case against VE? Then,please explain how you see this post: On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Cause I read it as you trying to distance Oats from Yamato: Like you were trying to show that Oats made a half-assed push against yamato early in the game. Unless you have another explanation for you posting this bit (which you probably should start making up now, in case I guessed correctly). Could you please explain why you would vote for yamato? | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either. Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for? What townread on VE, you said lurking VE is scum VE earlier, and you quote Palmar calling VE scum saying that lurking VE is scum VE, and that you have a town read but were worried when he stopped posting. It wasn't really clear you had a townread on VE, I actually thought you called him scum en passe before heading to Oats & Co. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Anyway, you seem quick to talk of a double bus. First, Oats post didn't look like a bus at all, more like a description of stuff regarding yamato, I see no intention from Oats to lynch yamato anywhere. Second, we don't even know if they are both scum yet As for why I'm asking you questions, it's like asking me why I'm playing this game. Anyway, for later uses, here's the chronology of stuff since my case, people pushing VE kinda caught my attention: Oats vs yamato-chronologically Vivax → Case Ace → prefers Oats, initially pushed yamato CC → announces to look through yamato and Oats VE → Would get behind Oats lynch Kush → prefers yamato Giyga → Ask Oats question about earlier vote against him OO → Prefers yamato Rayn → Prefers oats Kush → Changes mind to lynching Oats Palmar → Could do Oats. Also, VE is scum. Giyga → Announces delay in looking through them WoS → Says VE is scum, mentions something scummy about Oats. Worried about Oats posting something about yamato Yamato → Said Oats could be scum earlier, VE IS SCUM but pops in and says BC and Ace could both be mafia. Bleh. Getmoript → votes yamato BM → Votes yamato TRN → Votes yamato for martyring Giyga → Prefers Oats WoS → Claims to prefer Oats. Kush → Actual change of vote to Oats | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread. Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. Well, uh. Who are your strong scumreads? I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I simply said what it looked like to me, you're free to correct me. I might add though that you give me a very defensive impression, you seem to not like talking with me about this stuff at all to the point of asking me for justification for my questions. So I'd like to talk a little more to see if the doubts are unfounded: The thing regarding the double bus quote you picked up, why didn't you say outright that you don't think both can be scum, but at the time where you posted it, you didn't really make a choice between the two, or comment on my case? You admitted that you were putting the thought out there that both couldn't be scum without saying it outright and instead asked others. But you say that you don't know if yamato is scum. Yet you didn't outright vote for Oats, and instead only recently claimed your preference of Oats in an earlier post, as shown in my chronology? | ||
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What are your reads? Do you think yamato is scum or not? Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? | ||
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Need to make a decision before going to bed. Hammer yamato and make it quick or wait for a majority on Oats? | ||
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So I wait for the Oats wagon. Good night. | ||
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Clarity's entrance was horrible. 1 hour to read the thread, forced looking, hasty case at the end of the process? My earlier opinion on play like his: On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. His play: On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Trending topic is oats, and I honestly have no idea. From what I remember he didn't used to be trolly as either alignment. He could be a policy "you're a dick" lynch but there are better lynches out there, like.... Sharrant "If you give me the right answer I'll leave you alone" This irked me, this notion always irks me. If you're "pressuring" by saying exactly what someone should do to get you off their back, then you are not pressuring. This is an easy way for scum to appear to scumhunt with an easy out. So Sharrant gets his answer, with the answer being the obvious (and as rayn points out, already said before). "I didn't like the miller claim" That's what Sharrant accept as a satisfactory answer? What other answer could there be? Asking questions that only have one answer, regardless of alignment, is useless. Yet it's easy to skim over these two posts and have it seems as if he contributed. Who posts in a way that seems like they contribute, but don't? Scum do. Here Sharrant is saying: "Hopeless is doing this thing that makes him scummy, I shall watch him and see if he keeps doing it" Another easy out, telling the person you're "pressuring" exactly what they need to do (or not do in this case) to avoid being pressured more. More empty threats and easy outs. And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: Just scattershot. Ask everyone for their opinion and you'll get everyone's opinion. It's not pressure, there is no direction or follow-up with these questions, it's simply a shallow attempt to seem involved. One other thing I'd like to point out is his consistent "I'm here now, I'm leaving now" updates. The comments about him cooking, the promises to look over players later or that he's waiting for more information, or this gem: They all scream insecurity, which is in stark contrast with his "pressure" posts which have an air of misguided authority about them. All his posts scream "look at me I'm active and contributing" without actually contributing, All his other posts scream insecurity. Sharrant is scum. ##Vote Sharrant If you want to do something pro-town, lynch Oats. Thx. | ||
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UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Oatsmaster: [/b] Hopeless1der: Bill Murray: Getmoript: TheRavensName: Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, Ace: Sharrant: Yamato: VisceraEyes: With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ BM's vote is wrong but that one doesn't matter anyway. Oats needs 4 votes for the hammer. Asking those on Rayn to switch to Oats pls. | ||
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If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point. Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here. | ||
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On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Vivax where did your unofficial count come from it looks wonky... in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats ##Unvote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: Oatsmaster Meh, I missed CC's and geript's votes (and iamp's new count). Any vigi shooting BM would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Both are valid targets. Somebody show me the color of Oats blood pls | ||
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Before case: 22 posts between 21 – ~17:00 and 23 – 00:43 - 29:34 difference – 0.71 posts per hour After case and bandwagon started: 39 posts between 23 – 00:43 and 23:22 – 22:39 h – difference – 1.74 posts per hour | ||
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TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first. | ||
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On April 23 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats. Don't worry, if no one vigs him tonight, there will be plenty of opportunity tomorrow to take care of yamato. It's not unlikely at all that they're both scum, given that yamato seemed to work against Oats' lynch when he claimed to have him as scum earlier. | ||
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Might need something around 20-30 minutes. Oats, if you do HARAKIRI now you can stop me from posting them. That might piss me off. | ||
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On April 23 2013 23:34 kushm4sta wrote: yamato why are you playing so different this game? like no long cases Someone told me he might be scum | ||
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On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. | ||
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Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE Townie: Everyone else No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. | ||
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On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum. When I say interesting, I mean that you seemed to prioritize self-preservation and good-looking stuff over actual involvement and attempts at finding scum. Your case against Sharrant looks like you bought it at a fastfood-chain. I prefer people who honestly admit that they can't be up to date with the thread information instead of those who cook quick cases which look like they only had the purpose of self-presentation. | ||
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The votecount was actually a good example of how you and clarity didn't read the thread, cause hopeless pointed out to me that it was wrong. | ||
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Even if he wasn't scum, removing him from the equation will be of help for later. | ||
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Can you write us something that wins us the game now? | ||
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Why were you even trolling during D1? | ||
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On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? | ||
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Palmar, is yamato still in your "who knows" category? He's next on the list of people who are up for lynch, so it'd be nice if you gave us an opinion with some color. | ||
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On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote: Scummy: Yamato, clarity, Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE Townie: Everyone else No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| | ||
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On April 24 2013 05:03 yamato77 wrote: If you idiots lynch me tomorrow, all hope is lost. Seriously look at this game. The only argument there USED TO BE against me is that I "wasn't contributing" or whatever, when now, I've contributed more meaningful analysis than almost anyone in the game. Look at BC's filter for yourselves and be amazed at the complete lack of "give-a-shit" you see in his scumhunting. Realize that I'm his ONLY scum read OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Stop listening to him. If Ace is going to be blind to BC, then he might well be mafia, too, for all I know, but don't let them bully you into voting me when the obvious proof is in front of you. People like ace, BC, Palmar aren't good D1 candidates anyway. The duration of their survival or attempted hits should be awaited before even considering their lynch. I've seen them mislynched as town for some stupid reasons, not Palmar but BC and ace. I am currently reviewing my read on you. If I can give you some advice, try to play cooler please, we have plenty of time, and if you have some arguments you think are good, link to them or bring any new ones you can think of. You have a lot of short and/or emotional posts, and you often sound really emotional, it doesn't help your cause and makes you look bad. | ||
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On April 24 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Vivax too, why is Clarity mafia in your reads-list? Read the thread, no, just my filter please. At least that. -.--------- On April 23 2013 20:05 Vivax wrote: Oats isn't a policy lynch, although he might look like cause he started behaving like a clown when the bandwagon started. Case here and here Clarity's entrance was horrible. 1 hour to read the thread, forced looking, hasty case at the end of the process? My earlier opinion on play like his: His play: If you want to do something pro-town, lynch Oats. Thx. On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote: I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. On April 24 2013 00:13 Vivax wrote: When I say interesting, I mean that you seemed to prioritize self-preservation and good-looking stuff over actual involvement and attempts at finding scum. Your case against Sharrant looks like you bought it at a fastfood-chain. I prefer people who honestly admit that they can't be up to date with the thread information instead of those who cook quick cases which look like they only had the purpose of self-presentation. | ||
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On April 24 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 05:37 Vivax wrote: Read the thread, no, just my filter please. At least that. -.--------- Is this more likely to come from mafia!Clarity now that we know Oats flipped town? Why not just agree with your case on Oats? Well, it's a possibly valid point but it's also connection based. If you're mafia and there are two bandwagons, let's assume both town, then nothing forces you to pick a side, but it makes you look better if you oppose both and go for something no one is going to lynch at that moment. It's easy for mafia to look like they were on the right side during lynches. I'd prefer using other reasoning to infer if someone is scum than being right or wrong on wagons. | ||
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Is there some really strong evidence for him being town that we aren't seeing, or do you feel he's at danger of getting lynched soon? | ||
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Why did clarity say that he felt the urge to post something quickly cause he thought his late entrance looked bad? How was it of any concern to him at that point, and why did he avoid to comment on the points against yamato and Oats and instead called them policy lynches, which is like the laziest, most ineffective way for purposes of getting to a better lynch? What I picked up as scummy was the fact that he felt so nervous to post a half-baked "this is my big case with a vote at the end" without showing any doubt about what was going on in the thread, like he should have, if he only had one hour to get familiar with the game. | ||
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On April 24 2013 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: I had four hours, you guys just can't read my posts and are making stuff up. I was caught up with the thread when I made the case, I didn't say I thought I looked bad I said I felt guilty. This refers to me saying that I'm here now, not my case post. and because I posted that I felt obliged to post some original thoughts, and I felt on a dealine cause it was 5 am. In fact my case post starts with saying I have no clue about oats. No, that was your answer to BM asking why you took an hour to cook that case against Sharrant. It wasn't BM saying "why do you post now"? There is a nested quote you're replying to with that. | ||
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On April 24 2013 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Can I just clear this up and then we move on? Apparently this is a really big deal. I was reading for 2 or so hours, then I decided in my genius I should look at the last two pages, noticed the word hammer and decided I would say "I'm here", then I finished reading and made the case. Does that mean you replied to BM with something else than he intended? He never criticized you for saying "I'm here". So you read 2 hours, then announced you were here, catching up, then read another hour, and posted THAT case against Sharrant without knowing what was going on in the yamato / Oats issue? Seems legit. | ||
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I don't see how this recent version looks consistent with his answer to BM. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I was reading for 2 or so hours, then I decided in my genius I should look at the last two pages, noticed the word hammer and decided I would say "I'm here", then I finished reading and made the case. Like, why didn't you say to BM "I've been reading for more than one hour" instead of "I might have started reading". | ||
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Starts reading -> Says I'm here after 2h-> case after 1 h -> BM calls him out saying the case is bad and made in just one hour -> Clarity answers "Yeah well I figured I'd say hi after seeing that I didn't post anything -> Vivax calls him out again for quick case -> Clarity: "Yeah well I actually read for 3 hours." Why does he answer to BM, talking about clarity's case being bad and the short time (second post), with a justification for his entrance post (first post)? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Clarity could have replied, as town: "I actually read for 3 hours, so what's your problem with my case?" But Clarity was scared that his case looked scummy cause of BM's reaction, so he instead posted a justification for his late entrance, which he knew looked bad, and felt guilty for. And he didn't want to correct BM in saying that he read for so long precisely cause he'd have had less justification to explain the bad case. Now that he's being pressured for the short time in which the case was written, he gives another justification where he actually claims that he was reading for a longer time. When BM pressured him, he wanted to make it look like he made something in haste by arguing that he wanted to post before the hammer. Now that it's exactly the point against him, he says that he was actually reading for a longer time. | ||
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On April 24 2013 07:33 Bill Murray wrote: oats pushes for his replacement in a post clarity shows up He was "reading the last two pages" "mistakenly" seeing Palmar say there was a hammer? If he's catching up, why is he flittering around? Makes no sense in general. Instead, I would point you towards it being a sign of active lurking, and him not wanting to be replaced. His case on Sharrant takes a reaching standpoint when it attacks him for questioning yamato and oats, the two main wagons of the day. Why is questioning them a bad thing? Clarity spins it as such... I don't feel like he read the thread in that 50 minutes, plus filtered Sharrant, plus got all those quotes, plus responded to them all Seems like scum that doesn't have to read... didn't respond to any of the events... responded to a filtered reaction of them. You see there is a miller claim, supposedly, but you have no thoughts on it? Any town would say "oh he was kidding" or "i thought he was being serious"... "Hes miller" "Hes scum" whatever Blame the late entrance? Blame Palmar? Who else is he going to blame? Please post like this as much as you can, and everyone will save bandwidth, time to read and bullets. | ||
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BM's post adresses both of my posts. My original entry and my case post an hour later. No, only your second. BM never mentioned your late entrance as accuse, but you felt like defending yourself for it. He says "lol he read entire thread in 1 hour yeah right?" and comments that the case is bad Yes, and you replied to it with a justification for your "catching up" post, instead of telling him that you were reading for 3 hours when he accused you of being too quick in catching up and dropping such a case, thus not answering to his accusations the same way you answered to mine. Then people start spewing shit about how it "took me an hour from catching up to posting a case and that's impossible" even though I thought I fucking addressed that in the above post. So I clarify saying I had been reading two hours prior to my entry post. That's cause you said different stuff to BM than to others even if the accusations are the same. Everyone satisfied? No. Hunt scum pls. | ||
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I might be speaking for Sharrant here, but large part of his case was founded on the fact that you defensively said: You want to lynch BM cause he's mafia, not for policy, but all the while saying that you lynch all claimed millers in earlier posts, there is no reason for BM being mafia, just policy. And as I might add, we didn't know at that point if BM claimed, so your attack looked bad on multiple fronts. @ Yamato Your 5-man-scumteam seems weird, it seems focused on people who are rather at the center of attention, and you've become really spammy and seemingly nervous once contrasted by ace. How are we supposed to know what ShiaoPi, tube, Drazak, stutters and hopeless are, for example? More information digging, less quick decisions please. | ||
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One particularly odd thing was that he defended himself against you saying he is wasting time discussing policy, and upon his defense you replied that you weren't up for lynching BM cause policy, although he never accused you of that. As for other scummy stuff you've done, it's in his case. He points out good stuff, and that's why I won't lynch him. I've given you leeway lately cause you kept contributing, and was so sure that Oats would flip red that I put you among the null reads at that time when you jumped on board of the lynch, but currently I have you among the suspects again. As for yamato, I am not sure at all if he's scum or town, but if he's town he's like a gift for mafia to push with his behaviour. | ||
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I see. I'll wait until Bill Murray is back in the thread before I say anything more about this then, if I feel the need to say anything more. Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. 4) Don't know what you mean. He asked TRN a few questions, dropped a vote, probably for pressure, then dropped him when he saw what you were doing. He didn't say he had TRN as scum afterwards, it's only evident you are his scumread. | ||
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That quote is him asking you to provide a read on a player. You say: Why do you want me, your scumread to pick a player to discuss? If i thought you were scum i would be damn sure i wanted to pick the people we discuss (other scummy people). Why did you not want to find out who my "scumbuddies" are when we were discussing people, and why did you let me drive the discussion? Sharrant said: Let's give ourselves another topic then. Pick a player who you would like to discuss with me, and I will read their filter while I cook and eat. I would suggest Mr. Cheesecake, but I would prefer it if you picked the candidate for discussion. There's absolutely nothing scummy about that. He gave you the chance to show where you would scumhunt on your own at that point. You didn't do anything but defend TRN for strange reasons and want to policy lynch BM or lynch Sharrant up until that point. | ||
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On April 24 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity i assume you have looked into BC/GiygaS/ShiaoPi as it's been many many hours since you said you'd do so. Any thoughts on them, especially on BC who yamato asked you about earlier? You asked about ShiaoPi, but I see no instance in your filter where you actually comment on him in a way that suggests you're interested into him, yet you ask questions about him. Could you give me a read of him? | ||
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Similarly to how clarity responded to BM's accusation for his case post with a justification for his entrance post. I'm starting to lean town on yamato lately, but I don't like his play, it hurts both him and the town. I would appreciate if he went for more constructive approaches. First of all, case against ShiaoPi for tomorrow: Point 1: Low activity, opportunistic timings to post in the thread (his last return was to hammer Oats), low involvement: On April 22 2013 12:32 ShiaoPi wrote: At least more content than your last answer. If TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, why did you vote him? Isn't that fulfilling your own conclusion that you are mafia, by virtue of going after the lynchbait? What the fuck dude? Now what do you make of all the others who also defended TRN? All team mafia?? What do you say about Ace and others who also had a townread (or at least null) on TRN? On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote: It's a good try, Rayne, but no. Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back. The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter. I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him. The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. As we see in these posts, Sharrant could not have possibly done much to cause a change of read in ShiaoPi, in the time where either didn't post any more. As evident in the filter, ShiaoPi treats Sharrant as his scumspect, and when Sharrant answers to what ShiaoPi says last, ShiaoPi ignores it, disappears, Sharrant then posts his last post, and we see ShiaoPi magically appear to hammer either Oats or yamato later. Without any attempts to talk about Sharrant or give reasoning, or somehow support clarity in his case against Sharrant. ShiaoPi is the guy I want to lynch most tomorrow I'm expecting a read on him from Rayn cause he asked questions about ShiaoPi but doesn't give opinions on him, I don't see where his interest is coming from when he doesn't show it himself, and he ignored my question so far. Clarity and Shiao being scumbuddies might explain why Shiao didn't try to support clarity in his case, additionally to Oats and yamato possibly being town and no need for scum to deviate a wagon. This is hypothetical regarding the two, I feel quite confident that clarity lied, but then again he made a case on someone that wasn't Oats, so I'd prefer to give him some benefits for that and thus prioritize a ShiaoPi lynch over a clarity lynch, also cause we still have to see what clarity has to offer during the day now that he apparently is aware that the game has started. Shiao tomorrow pls. Let's watch out for the Cobbler if he stays alive, he will have to post some more reasoning than during the last times, at least . | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:02 Blazinghand wrote: I think if I could go back and do this again, knowing what I know now, i'd have modkilled geript. Then again, maybe not. I guess if I could really go back I'd modkill both heads at once. That'll be my new policy from now on: one slot, one fate Having a scum hydra is already a great advantage. It increases the amount of forgivable bullshit it can produce cause they can blame it on disagreement, it also looks twice as active. Should have modkilled, but I can't deny that a modconfirmed guy staying alive until lylo should raise red flags. props to Palmar for catching geript so quickly. | ||
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I don't understand how you can't admit that his play there made it so much easier for you, and instead you start calling others lazy and the balance insufficient to try and justify something like that. That post influenced the game heavily, whether it was town's fault to believe it or not doesn't matter. The host allowing that to pass was like a confirmation of what marv said. If any hydra head said after death "I have been modkilled cause I flamed the host after he didn't acknowledge my DT-check sent late in" and the host simply doesn't react saying "modkill discussion later yo", then town will tend to assume that it is true. At least any post-death information should be dealt with by the host by saying that it's false and warn the hydra to discourage that play in the future, also forcing the player to edit out the post. Maybe it should be made a general rule. That play had to fall back onto geript, not onto town. Why did others have to waste their time for something that should be supposed to fall back onto the cheater. Still, giggles played best, hands down. If you deserve a win it'd be cause of him. But I have no respect for your hydra's play (and especially for your attitude after this happened) + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2013 00:16 geript wrote: I agree that the situation shouldn't have occurred, but the teams should be balanced as well. Neither should mod killed players have flipped until the end of day/night. Neither should anyone have gotten a free pass to post after the hammer. Neither should the teams have been so imbalanced from the start. Palmar, BC, Dr H, VE, Yamato vs 1/2 Marv is not fair especially in instant majority. Scum getting 1 "confirmed town" in exchange for losing their vet is not a great exchange. Town lost because they were lazy. Palmar, you were lazy and lost because of it. Hosting did not make you lazy; if you want to win, then play to win. You had 8 days to lynch me and never put forth effort to do so. Don't blame the hosts for your actions. On May 18 2013 08:46 Palmar wrote: | ||
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On May 21 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote: Vivax, being mad at me for posting post-death is fine, but don't pretend I claimed anything town-related in that post, please. You would hardly have mafia be to eager to set up an own hydra qt to the point of getting modkilled when they get a scum qt with their role PM. At least this is what I thought when I made a judgement about geript I just want geript to face that his play had few to do with his victory, and blaming the loss on Palmar or justifying his advantage with balance is a piss poor attitude, which is what motivated me to post. | ||
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