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Vivax
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You said you wanted to lynch Oats earlier. There's a pretty awesome case against him on the previous page. You come back ignoring it and spouting some weird nonsense about ace and BC, acting all emo and saying insane sounding things, joining BM in a ridiculous spamfest. I was looking for a circus poster to post while watching the thread grow from your posts like cancer. | ||
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On April 23 2013 08:39 Ace wrote: could it be that yamato and Oats are both Scum but Oats has a great role so they want him to live for one day? I just wrote a post where I speculate that. I'm just not sure if I should submit. | ||
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On April 23 2013 08:48 Vivax wrote: WoS, what do you make of yamato's case against VE? Then,please explain how you see this post: On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Cause I read it as you trying to distance Oats from Yamato: Like you were trying to show that Oats made a half-assed push against yamato early in the game. Unless you have another explanation for you posting this bit (which you probably should start making up now, in case I guessed correctly). Could you please explain why you would vote for yamato? | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I literally made the post because I'm curious about whether a double bus makes sense (hint, it usually doesn't) and wanted thread input. Is that not obvious to you? I am aware both look scummy but I'm not sure of both being scum. Can I explain why I would vote for yamato? I'm not 100% sure I would, hence not having voted for either yet. I've seen this kind of play from him before and he's attempting to put in effort now that he's on the block. His case against VE objectively makes sense (VE isn't exactly trying) but conflicts with my townread on VE. It's not like yamato's case is really 'trying' either. Vivax, your asking me how I see my own post is really weird. Like, what exactly are you looking for? What townread on VE, you said lurking VE is scum VE earlier, and you quote Palmar calling VE scum saying that lurking VE is scum VE, and that you have a town read but were worried when he stopped posting. It wasn't really clear you had a townread on VE, I actually thought you called him scum en passe before heading to Oats & Co. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Someone mentioned it earlier but lurker VE is scum VE---since I had you as town read from beginning of game I was worried when you stopped posting. One particular thing that struck me as scummy about Oats (besides the inactivity and general uselessness of his posting) was the vote on Giygas....just looked like an easy way (since he showed minimal suspicion towards him) to toss up an easy vote with minimal substance behind it and fuck off for a while. One thing worries me though and that is this post: What do the better players make of this in the context of yamato and Oats being both prime scum candidates for the day and Oats dropping this long before the yamato vote train started? Anyway, you seem quick to talk of a double bus. First, Oats post didn't look like a bus at all, more like a description of stuff regarding yamato, I see no intention from Oats to lynch yamato anywhere. Second, we don't even know if they are both scum yet  As for why I'm asking you questions, it's like asking me why I'm playing this game. Anyway, for later uses, here's the chronology of stuff since my case, people pushing VE kinda caught my attention: Oats vs yamato-chronologically Vivax → Case Ace → prefers Oats, initially pushed yamato CC → announces to look through yamato and Oats VE → Would get behind Oats lynch Kush → prefers yamato Giyga → Ask Oats question about earlier vote against him OO → Prefers yamato Rayn → Prefers oats Kush → Changes mind to lynching Oats Palmar → Could do Oats. Also, VE is scum. Giyga → Announces delay in looking through them WoS → Says VE is scum, mentions something scummy about Oats. Worried about Oats posting something about yamato Yamato → Said Oats could be scum earlier, VE IS SCUM but pops in and says BC and Ace could both be mafia. Bleh. Getmoript → votes yamato BM → Votes yamato TRN → Votes yamato for martyring Giyga → Prefers Oats WoS → Claims to prefer Oats. Kush → Actual change of vote to Oats | ||
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On April 23 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread. Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. Well, uh. Who are your strong scumreads? I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I simply said what it looked like to me, you're free to correct me. I might add though that you give me a very defensive impression, you seem to not like talking with me about this stuff at all to the point of asking me for justification for my questions. So I'd like to talk a little more to see if the doubts are unfounded: The thing regarding the double bus quote you picked up, why didn't you say outright that you don't think both can be scum, but at the time where you posted it, you didn't really make a choice between the two, or comment on my case? You admitted that you were putting the thought out there that both couldn't be scum without saying it outright and instead asked others. But you say that you don't know if yamato is scum. Yet you didn't outright vote for Oats, and instead only recently claimed your preference of Oats in an earlier post, as shown in my chronology? | ||
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What are your reads? Do you think yamato is scum or not? Why did you hesitate to say that you think they cannot both be scum, and instead poked for others to tell you that? Does it seriously look to you like Oats could have been bussing yamato in that post? Does it look like yamato is so interested into lynching Oats over VE or Ace or BC? Why did a double bus concern you so much over the stuff about the two -connections aside- which already was in the thread? | ||
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Need to make a decision before going to bed. Hammer yamato and make it quick or wait for a majority on Oats? | ||
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So I wait for the Oats wagon. Good night. | ||
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Clarity's entrance was horrible. 1 hour to read the thread, forced looking, hasty case at the end of the process? My earlier opinion on play like his: On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. His play: On April 23 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Trending topic is oats, and I honestly have no idea. From what I remember he didn't used to be trolly as either alignment. He could be a policy "you're a dick" lynch but there are better lynches out there, like.... Sharrant "If you give me the right answer I'll leave you alone" This irked me, this notion always irks me. If you're "pressuring" by saying exactly what someone should do to get you off their back, then you are not pressuring. This is an easy way for scum to appear to scumhunt with an easy out. So Sharrant gets his answer, with the answer being the obvious (and as rayn points out, already said before). "I didn't like the miller claim" That's what Sharrant accept as a satisfactory answer? What other answer could there be? Asking questions that only have one answer, regardless of alignment, is useless. Yet it's easy to skim over these two posts and have it seems as if he contributed. Who posts in a way that seems like they contribute, but don't? Scum do. Here Sharrant is saying: "Hopeless is doing this thing that makes him scummy, I shall watch him and see if he keeps doing it" Another easy out, telling the person you're "pressuring" exactly what they need to do (or not do in this case) to avoid being pressured more. More empty threats and easy outs. And more.... Not even indicating any read, just asking for reads from another player. More of this: Just scattershot. Ask everyone for their opinion and you'll get everyone's opinion. It's not pressure, there is no direction or follow-up with these questions, it's simply a shallow attempt to seem involved. One other thing I'd like to point out is his consistent "I'm here now, I'm leaving now" updates. The comments about him cooking, the promises to look over players later or that he's waiting for more information, or this gem: They all scream insecurity, which is in stark contrast with his "pressure" posts which have an air of misguided authority about them. All his posts scream "look at me I'm active and contributing" without actually contributing, All his other posts scream insecurity. Sharrant is scum. ##Vote Sharrant If you want to do something pro-town, lynch Oats. Thx. | ||
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UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT Oatsmaster: [/b] Hopeless1der: Bill Murray: Getmoript: TheRavensName: Raynpelikoneet: Sharrant, Sylencia, Hopeless1der, Ace: Sharrant: Yamato: VisceraEyes: With 25 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ BM's vote is wrong but that one doesn't matter anyway. Oats needs 4 votes for the hammer. Asking those on Rayn to switch to Oats pls. | ||
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If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point. Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here. | ||
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On April 23 2013 21:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Vivax where did your unofficial count come from it looks wonky... in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats ##Unvote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: Oatsmaster Meh, I missed CC's and geript's votes (and iamp's new count). Any vigi shooting BM would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Both are valid targets. Somebody show me the color of Oats blood pls | ||
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Before case: 22 posts between 21 – ~17:00 and 23 – 00:43 - 29:34 difference – 0.71 posts per hour After case and bandwagon started: 39 posts between 23 – 00:43 and 23:22 – 22:39 h – difference – 1.74 posts per hour | ||
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TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first. | ||
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On April 23 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats. Don't worry, if no one vigs him tonight, there will be plenty of opportunity tomorrow to take care of yamato. It's not unlikely at all that they're both scum, given that yamato seemed to work against Oats' lynch when he claimed to have him as scum earlier. | ||
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Might need something around 20-30 minutes. Oats, if you do HARAKIRI now you can stop me from posting them. That might piss me off. | ||
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On April 23 2013 23:34 kushm4sta wrote: yamato why are you playing so different this game? like no long cases Someone told me he might be scum | ||
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On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. | ||
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