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On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Where does TRN try to figure out things? Tbh I kinda have you both as scummy along a few others, so your defense of TRN strikes me especially. I don't really see anything that could give me a reason to think he's town, but if you're so kind, could you point it out? | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote: @Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. Still, he felt the urge to post to tell us that he didn't have the urge to post anything constructive since he felt there was no discussion? Newbies can be zealous townies, too. If some dude is an overzealous newbie who talks a lot of stupid stuff it's still much townier than someone who mentions reasons to not do anything, and then doesn't post when the discussion he felt was lacking actually started. | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Particularly this post of his: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 23:19 TheRavensName wrote: /shrug And what will we get out of threatening him at all? What does either lynching him for not liking a posted policy(? (Thats what that was right?)) or becase he just decided to troll actually accomplish (I think this one is more likely)? These are literaly the only responses he could make (That make any logical since and any others should count as trolling really) and I just don't see how either could prove guilt or innocense. But if you feel so strong on making him talk, why arn't you voting for him since apparently one vote isn't going to cut it? I didn't mean he is trying to find mafia. I meant he is trying to find out how to play @ the game start, what to look for and what to call people out for. If you read his exchange with yourself, you should easily figure out he has no clue how to act in the beginning of the game. This does not make him 100% town but i doubt he would be openly expressing his thought about that matter if he was mafia, i think he would be far more cautious about what he says. What makes me scummy in your eyes? You were very focused on the BM issue initially, but not on anything else, then asked me a question regarding BM cause I posted something similar to OO's post (wait for BM). I replied I didn't want to discuss it at that point, you asked why I discussed BM earlier if I didn't want to discuss him at that point, in a way that looked aggressive to me, as if you wanted to say that it's scummy for me to do that ,but you didn't keep up with that when I didn't answer, and then proceeded to go away/lurk or whatever you were doing. 1. It looked nitpicky. 2. Looks to me like you were bloating up the BM issue, and your interest into me and the issue itself didn't seem genuine. I don't know why you were so quick to think BM claimed miller, or why you want to lynch claimed millers. But that's not what I find alignment indicative, at most those are points I disagree with. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: What concerns me about you on this is the following: You state that there is no reason to discuss this atm, yet you are giving BM an out in the first place by discussing the matter and saying this kinda stuff: Why are you so eager to give BM the "right" answers if you want him to expalin himself? | ||
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Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape. That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. or this later post: On April 22 2013 05:16 Vivax wrote: If BM says he's miller I'll not believe him, and if he says he isn't I'll see his action as scummy. | ||
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If he claims Miller, feel free to counterclaim. BM is the first I'd lynch to see which one is the actual miller. If BM said severus snape for "fun", he's on my red half of the list. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. You say if he is claiming miller or not claiming miller he is scummy. So did you think he was claiming miller or not, joking, or what's the purpose of you this post? Yes, and that was after i questioned you, so that's irrelevant. I didn't take anything out of the context imo. Fuck knows if he was claiming miller, I don't know. No one knows until he tells us. But I said that it could have been a scum move. If he soft-claims miller like that it could lure out town millers, and then he could say that he posted some drunkard stuff to defend himself against their accusations of him fakeclaiming. If, on the other hand, no townie reacts to his claim, he might feel safe to fakeclaim miller for himself. You seem to be the only one having trouble understanding my post. Purpose of my post was to draw attention to BM's strange behaviour, and taking away in advance whatever malicious intentions he might have had. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:57 Sharrant wrote: Please someone comment on my last post. Tell me I'm not going crazy, and that the man who has been solely pushing for BM's policy lynch just came into the thread, responded to something not even about his policy lynch of BM, and claimed he has never been trying to policy lynch BM. You have my full support. You look so townie I almost could cry that you got mislynched last game. | ||
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On April 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Geript's reads post was pretty awful with lots of maybe's, wouldn't mind lynching him. Ace seems like he is not willing to do much. I didn't really understand the Sylencia-stuff yamato pointed out. Maybe it's because English is not my mother tongue, i just don't see how he was "little too nervous". I don't think Oats has done anything alignment indicative. Sharrant seems to be not understanding what i'm trying to say. Same could be said about kush, although i think he's town. I think you are town. I think TRN & Palmar are town aswell. That's pretty much everything i have read atm. Ok. First i want to clarify that although I have you as scummish, I'm not trigger-happy with people on the chopping block in instant-majority. So let's talk a little about these reads. Geript is modconfirmed town. Arguably unfair that he is, but marv's behaviour is most definitely not coming from scum. I feel sad for both sides (marv and scum) on this one, but that's for postgame. I had ace among the scummish until he asked Palmar that question, since then he's rather nullish. Sylencia doesn't concern me much cause he claimed VT and was a very early participant. I'm not lynching him today at least. I have Oats on the scummish side of things. Kush town, same here. Palmar not too sure, but leaning town, not lynching him today. TRN scummy, but maybe noob town, expecting input. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Can you have a look at these and tell me what you think of them? - WoS - Hopeless - GIYIGAS - Drazak | ||
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On April 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax what makes Oats scummy to you? Mostly meta differences between his town and scum play. You'll hear the exact reasons once I feel like making a case. Could you see WoS being scum or do you feel safe in assuming he's town? | ||
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Do you want to question Sylencia's alignment? Cause I don't see why you are pointing this stuff out if that's not your intention. | ||
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Sharrant, can you look at hopeless? Let me summarize his play so far: Attempts to stop people from getting townreads, agreeing with Kush on geript being town cause of marv. Basically, he started the game with a rather odd question. I don't think it's a prime interest for town to ask someone to expand on his townreads, especially at that early stage in the game. Why, you ask? Scum doesn't want townreads between townies, town doesn't care about townreads unless it concerns one of their scumreads, and neither me nor Palmar seemed to look scummy to hopeless, so I don't see his motivation for asking that question except for looking like he's doing something or let us talk about secondary stuf | ||
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I feel mixed about Rayn, hopeless spends his energies on arguing why a heuristic that doesn't matter at all was wrong, when the point about him being scummy is precisely that discussing the heuristic is entirely unproductive and shouldn't concern town. The point about him being scum is not the heuristic, it's about being interested in stuff that shouldn't concern townies. | ||
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Palmar, care to tell me why hopeless is town in your opinion? It might help me shorten my list of possible scum. | ||
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