TL Mafia LXI - Page 13

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 03:25 GMT

#4987

On May 07 2013 12:25 yamato77 wrote:
One more vote and I lose this game for town.

You guys wanna lose?

Let's do this.

Bring it.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 03:26 GMT

#4988

But yea, see like this Yamato? This is why your not being read as townie.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 04:20 GMT

#5027

On May 07 2013 13:17 getmoript wrote:

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Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens.

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But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town.

B that logic, Palmar is even more innocent. Ace was pushing Palmar after Mafia was pretty far behind.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 04:28 GMT

#5037

On May 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
Like, I'm mafia with Hopeless

How fucking unaware are you of this game to believe that?

Bad.

To be fair, I don't think hes Mafia with you.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 04:35 GMT

#5039

On May 07 2013 13:28 yamato77 wrote:

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I'm obviously taking shots at BC's ego here, leave me alone.

But it might eat you!

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 14:04 GMT

#5088

On May 07 2013 16:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh what I did want to bring up was that Yamato claimed to know who he thought the JK was. There's no reason for him to bring that up if he's scum, it felt like a genuine passing comment, and one I don't think he would've made if he were scum.

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/working 4realz

Yes there is. Its a good way for us to think hes town because otherwise he'd have shot him (we have no garantee he didn't think OO was the jailer.) and as long as he threatened to out the jailer he would be able to feel safe because I don't think many people want to trade the jailer.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 19:20 GMT

#5108

On May 08 2013 01:12 Palmar wrote:

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I'm not even sure about that.

maybe stutters was bussing shiaopi (which is basically the reason I gave him a very tentative "maybe not scum" read during that night). Maybe geript is scum and BH is trolling us, maybe giggles is scum.

And that's not even talking about hopeless who everyone seems to think is scum except me and BM

The modkilled scummed only did like one thing and that was pressure vote Shiao till he talked. Seems kinda risky to me doesn't it?

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 07 2013 19:27 GMT

#5109

On May 08 2013 04:20 TheRavensName wrote:

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The modkilled scummed only did like one thing and that was pressure vote Shiao till he talked. Seems kinda risky to me doesn't it?

Not Shiao, I meant Stutters.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 08 2013 17:28 GMT

#5174

On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.

I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to.

On April 23 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Yes, but stuff like that is bound to happen anyway when dealing with newer players. I'm sorry to say it but the fact remains that unless you are exceptional, in a game like this with a lot of veteran players your (and sometimes my) voice is unlikely to be heard when following one line of suspicion to the bitter end. Essentially I know what to expect from you and I'm not worried about your suspicion of me due to the player interaction in this game. This isn't a jab at you or your skill. I'm more worried about Vivax's line of thinking derailing the thread than yours.

Kinda see how I felt now don't ya?

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 08 2013 21:02 GMT

#5230

A reading from the will of Sharrant: When I die tonight you will be responsible for informing the thread of my actions. On night one I jailed Palmar, then Ace until he died, and then BC.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 08 2013 21:04 GMT

#5231

On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false?

Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 01:19 GMT

#5318

On May 09 2013 06:50 Palmar wrote:

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Assume for a second, just to entertain the notion, that I'm town Palmar.

I can give you the insight that at the time I thought I was in pretty good standing with town, in no danger of being lynched.

Knowing that I got protected and a KP was missing, do you think town-Palmar (knowing my history of being shot n1) would not assume that I got shot during the night?

Sure, scum-Palmar could do what I did, but so could town-Palmar, and in fact it's more likely town Palmar did.

True. I was just stating for the record.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 02:39 GMT

#5319

Alright so. Sharrant was also advocating a lynch on Palmar if he pulled red on WoS. I would like thoughts on WoS and Palmar, if its alright with the rest of you?

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 06:19 GMT

#5329

Glygas, i don't think that should exclude WoS to make him town. Hes got a connection to every night kill.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 13:23 GMT

#5335

On May 09 2013 21:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

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On May 06 2013 11:24 GiygaS wrote:
Ugh, I'm not 100% sure of Yamato right now, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My read right now is that say we lynch Hopeless today. If he flips scum, I've got a big town read on Yamato. If he flips town, I think Yamato should be the next lynch.

Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here:

On May 01 2013 10:56 kushm4sta wrote:
yamato your one claim to towniness is pushing shiaopi d2. But the other wagon was clarity. So in reality you were just picking between 2 scum. scum literally had to bus.

Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again:

On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
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The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.

that's why i want to lynch you now

On May 02 2013 05:42 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to lynch yamato because he soft defended shiaopi and clarity. too much of a coincidence imo. i already posted the quote 2 times.
plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted.

yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game.
Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least.

Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up.

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Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?)

I'd rather lynch him or palmar before you. They've both been so damn scummy the entire game.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 13:36 GMT

#5337

Quick question, after the modkill... how many mislynches do we get?

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 13:42 GMT

#5340

On May 09 2013 22:40 Hopeless1der wrote:

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probably 8v2 right now.

Lynch=7v2
NK=6v2
Lynch=5v2
NK=4v2

**MYLO** (No-Lynch?)
NK=3v2
LYLO

I'm getting 2 Mislynches and a potential No-Lynch at MYLO if anyone wishes to confirm.
May we vote for a No-Lynch?

Voting rule 4.5 says yes.

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 09 2013 18:38 GMT

#5368

I think giggles and Palmar need to be lynched,in that order. They have both looked TERRIBLE the entire game, but somehow just scrape on by. And WoS, if I could find a partner for you, I would bomb the hell out of you. Its sadly just too damn hard to put you as anyones friend.