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On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote:
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.
Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?
I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it.
who do you think is scum Palmar?
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On May 17 2013 05:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote:
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.
Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?
I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it. who do you think is scum Palmar? geript and you.
Why? Please explain how I am scum given everything that has happened this game.
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On May 17 2013 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar.
GG.
That means both geript and I nailed the mafia with our votes.
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On May 17 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Apparently I deleted one by accident.
Palmar/gigs possible.
this is the most likely as i see things.
I say this because of the fact I know my alignment. (obviously you could disagree with me).
However, given that I know I am town, and based on thread activity, if Gigs is town, the only possible scum team is me / geript.
However, if I am town, or geript is town, gigs is confirmed scum. Why? Because if gigs is town, and either I or geript is town then mafia could just end the day right now and win and have 0 reason to draw the game out.
Basically its this WoS.
You have to decide if you think Palmar is scum, or me. Palmar is actively trying to divert the lynch off gigyas and onto myself and geript.
I think I have the game figured out, its now your call. If gigyas flips mafia, Palmar is scum and we win.
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On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time.
I'm going to take a while for this.
think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum?
Do you think one of us is town?
If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia.
Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot.
There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively.
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On May 17 2013 06:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time.
I'm going to take a while for this. please do. My problem here is that I find it unlikely that geript and BC would push the easiest town target so blatantly.
At this point as scum Id never push a target Palmar. I'd wait for a townie to drop a vote on a non scum then auto hammer with my partner. Or id run the clock until enough time passed that a no lynch happened and town loses.
There is absolutely no reason for me as scum to do what I am doing. You could argue thats why I am doing it but we both know I've caught mafia here.
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On May 17 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 06:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time.
I'm going to take a while for this. think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum? Do you think one of us is town? If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia. Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot. There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively. Alright. Re-reading my read of Giygas I found a whole bunch of evidence of a gigs/Palmar scumteam that I sort of ignored because of his early pushes on both Shiao and Clarity...but then there's shit like this. Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote:
Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi Did he really bus his entire team that early into the game?
He called Palmar scum never pushed it, Ace was third party (not his team) Shiaopi was inactive and likely an easy bus?
I can say from experience that I have via pms / final death post as mafia bussed my entire team knowing full well the town would ignore them for the rest of the game.
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On May 17 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
What happens if I vote Palmar right now?
If he is town mafia hammers and the game ends.
Gigyas can only be town if both geript and I are scum. The likelyhood of both of us doing this when we could have easily gotten a misslynch on Palmar is very unlikely.
Again, if you think either me or geript is town, Gigyas is now confirmed scum.
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On May 17 2013 06:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 06:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 17 2013 06:25 Palmar wrote:On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time.
I'm going to take a while for this. please do. My problem here is that I find it unlikely that geript and BC would push the easiest town target so blatantly. At this point as scum Id never push a target Palmar. I'd wait for a townie to drop a vote on a non scum then auto hammer with my partner. Or id run the clock until enough time passed that a no lynch happened and town loses. There is absolutely no reason for me as scum to do what I am doing. You could argue thats why I am doing it but we both know I've caught mafia here. Problem is your theory makes me scum too, which is basically impossible, as I've laid out multiple times in this game.
Why is it impossible.
Seriously. We know that
I was scumblocked day 1 You were townblocked
We have mafia framer
we have one flipped unaware miller
we have a claimed self aware miller
we have a flipped insane dt
we have a claimed paranoid dt
that is 5 mechanics to fuck with the town via checks. Dts are going to eventually claim, and thus create the shit show we got day 3.
No host imo will pull that shit. That leaves me with you or WoS as scum. Given that I was scumblocked day 1, it is virtually impossible for me to be mafia unless you believe that I did that day 1 in the hopes I would live this long just for a gambit that would be near unlikely to bear fruit.
Seriously Palmar. One of you and WoS has to be mafia. As such Gigyas is confirmed mafia based on the votes and you are refusing to vote for him. This isnt a "i dont know" you have outright said hes town when its extremely obvious hes not. This is what makes you mafia.
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Honestly dude, if he flips town its my fault. Given how it would be 3 town in a row id have pushed -_-
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On May 17 2013 07:36 Palmar wrote:
Because bussing is smart? Shit like this happens?
why would I bus -_-
Again if you aren't mafia, and geript isn't (I am doing this because bussing your own teammate in this situation is dumb as fuck) then mafia would have hammered and killed you winning.
If gigyas is town and I know I am town then again mafia would just hammer and end game.
The only scenario that works is gigyas is mafia.
If geript is scum with him why would he swap and not just stay on you? People would be more likely to vote you anyway. Why vote at all and not just wait for town to fuck up?
Honestly based on thread reaction between you two + me its virtually confirmed gigyas is mafia.
The only person attempting to divert that lynch was you palmar
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On May 17 2013 07:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 17 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:On May 17 2013 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:The people that are missing here mostly got autolynched or modkilled
Ace (lynched by default. My read was leaning town)
Rayn (I never explained but clearly my intense sheeping of him means he's my number 1 town read early)
Tube (Modkilled, null read at the time since he hadn't posted)
Giggles (Just never worked up the will to read/analyse him)
WoS (same as giggles)
I think that's it? Also this. So of everyone in the game you picked me and gigs not to analyze at all. Me being one of those people, what do you think that's going to make me think? Hey BC/geript? Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Fucking popcorn? Why would I shoot Artanis over you when Artanis was about the only person smart enough to pull his head far enough out of his ass and realize that it's almost no chance I'm scum. Wait....what? Why would you shoot...as scum....Artanis....who would be smart enough to realize there's no chance you're scum? That makes absolutely no sense. my point is: assume I'm scum. Someone needs to die. Why do I pick the one person who thinks I'm town?
WIFOM
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nm i didnt even see it luls i missed a page.  im retarded
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Also I am off for the weekend. I will do my best to post via phone but my activity is going to suck for now. I will take a look at the thread tommorrow morning before im completely out of good reception to see if I need to post more. However based on how the day looks, lynch Palmar next.
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As a note, based on thread activity the only two possible people able to be scum are geript and Palmar.
Why do you ask? Because if geript is scum, he would require a townie + gigyas to kill Palmar.
WoS based on being around as well as Gigyas in a time geript was on palmar opted to not vote thus did not end day. As such WoS and gigyas cannot be scum together nor can I and gigyas be scum.
IE WoS and I are confirmed town.
Given the situation of the day I am inclined to say Palmar scum, geript town. In case anyone tries to push the lynch elsewhere, we have two confirmed town, 1 scum and 1 likely town
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Sorry Palmar/town. I had all of 2 minutes to decide my vote and couldn't even read anything past the night post to decide given the situation I was in. I also didn't want to risk not voting thus turning it into a NL day as I had no clue when Id have net access again.
I should have realized when I wasn't shot and WoS was that palmar was a setup to misslynch given how WoS said he was seeing things kinda from Palmars view. But with 2 minutes to decide a vote I just said fuck it and voted. I realize with slightly more time to work with I could have read the posts that I hadn't seen / spend more time thinking about how the NK worked out. I think I would have changed my vote given those circumstances but potentially could have still fucked up.
As a note, regardless of the whole bit of "geript confirmed town" When Marv posted after being removed from the game with 0 real fall back from the host and the thread either correctly or not mod confirms a player because of it you have to realize it stacks the game in favour of whatever alignment said player was. Geript living so long is "suspect" but given how inactive mafia was / having dts to deal with and other blues, its not unreasonable to expect him to live as long as he did.
A ton of players this game for town played like complete ass. Mainly people like me, Palmar, Kush, and a few others. I think the cop setup in this game(personally) was horrendously fucked giving us one useless blue role, and 3 other roles that fuck with the two useful ones (one still has to prove sanity, and the other can still fuck the town over) thus giving mafia a huge edge imo. However I think the biggest thing that hurt the town this game was that days could span on for ages and a majority had to be garnered. When games become inactive because of dt checks being lynched and no one posts because of it you really have a hard time pushing anyone who wasn't checked as people just move into the "herp derp sheep" mode. Factor in days that could span a huge amount of time and people who play around work schedules and time zones and games very quickly turn dull. I think there was a ton of fun here, but I think general sentiment near the end was "i just want the game to end" regardless of turnout.
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