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VE your promises are null until you do start to do something.
The more you keep promising to do stuff "when the game starts" the worse you look
People are justified voting for you, specially with some low-quality posts of yours (that "omg had the best idea evah!" post of yours for instance, and an apparently bad case on RO), lack of interest/activity despite your "eagerness" and "over-joy" when you started, and the aforementioned promises.
You are VE though so there's always that "he may be doing this shit as town" idea in the back of my head.
It's easy though, if by late-D1 you don't contribute shit (or important townie shit) you die, and I doubt anybody will disagree with this.
I'll give you at least that amount of time, so I'm not insta-voting you right now or anything.
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You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real.
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Gonzaw why is my case on RO "apparently bad"? Did you even fucking look at it? All you're doing is fostering this "VE is scum" sentiment, but you yourself are completely wishywashy about my alignment. Grow a pair and come at me if you think I'm scum, or quit feeding the trolls by continuing to assert that "Oh people voting VE are justified even though I have no idea what I'm talking about"
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On April 07 2013 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real.
It's funny, because the people that comment on your case on me, and identify it as the BS it is, get completely ignored by you in return.
But it's a convenient excuse to act all mad, right?
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On April 07 2013 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
You guys are fuckign retarded I posted a case on RO that no one wants to coment on yet I'm the one doing nothing. Get real.
That case is bullshit and you know it.
What happened to 'you cant scumhunt before you are in danger of being lynched?'
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Whatever. Kill me then. I can't hunt scum while not a single person in the entire game is taking me seriously.
##Vote: RestrainingOrder
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On April 07 2013 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever. Kill me then. I can't hunt scum while not a single person in the entire game is taking me seriously.
##Vote: RestrainingOrder
You found scum right?
What hunting is necessary?
Stop being a doofus and talk about Vivax please.
Also [1][1] Sno being uncooperative?
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Countdown: 7
No one comments on it because it's bad VE, and you put too much weight on it and nothing else.
On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Pre-Dawn Lynch Preference of WrathRestrainingOrder - RestrainingOrder first popped onto my radar in my first readthrough before commenting on Yamato's idea. This post. Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 19:58 Restraining Order wrote:
The thing is denying mafia roles doesn't work too well anyways, and on top of that, if you try to coordinate it, it works even less.
The rolecop-rolevig combo alone has 2-3 possibilities on either end of the deal. (rolecop, capitalist, extractor & assassin, rolevig)
Sure, you might be a hero and get exactly the one they try to pick, but it's a crapshoot, and mafia inherently has the pickorder advantage due to possible coordination.
Rather, think about it like this: certain roles are not desireable for mafia to pick. Those roles, you don't pick early in the draft order. This includes all investigative roles (apart from rolecop), dreamflower, things like that. Not picking those in, say, the upper half, will mean more roles for town overall.
But having VTs is also very informative, so you really don't need to mind either way. Ultimately the logic behind this post is fairly sound. But upon further inspection, you'll find that all it really does is say "planning for the pick phase is futile, and doesn't matter". Why not just say that? Why go to the extra effort of explaining it in the throes of a huge planning session when it's clear it's just going to get ignored by people who are expending effort planning? It's a throw-away post that affects nothing and accomplishes nothing.
This is irrelevant for his alignment
He proceeds to have a rather meaningless back and forth with rayn, which ultimately ends up with rayn having a scumread on him. Most of it is "You said" "No I didn't". But what I found interesting during this exchange was this post. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:37 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 05 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:28 Restraining Order wrote:
Ok, you can keep townhunting them townreads if you want, I sent in my numbers already. They shouldn't be too obtrusive to whatever nonsense you'll come up with, so it's okay. This is like a scumclaim. elaborate why not wanting to discuss your plan is scummy please. You must have forgotten, but you also think I'm mafia. What is the town motivation for posting this? Like, assuming RO is town and he doesn't know what Oats' alignment is, what is the point of prodding Oats when he's soft-defending him like that? As scum it could serve to cast doubt on Oats if Oats is town, but what does it do if RO is town? I can't think of anything, and I found this post suspicious as hell as a result.
If you can't figure out the town motivation for saying that, you are scum or bad VE.
It's obvious what the town motivation for saying that is, and it's baffling how you both can't see it and use it to justify someone being scum.
Hint: If RO is town, then he's seeing someone that accused him of being scum defending him. This would be contradictory and thus he'd try to get some answers out of Oats. Can't get any easier than this
Hint: It doesn't make Oats scum either, since you can always think someone is scum yet think other people are attacking him for the wrong reasons
Hint: It doesn't make RO scum for not "heavily pushing" it either, because of the previously mentioned reason (it doesn't make Oats insta-scum)
The thing about RO "wanting" to kill people he previously said would basically be town because of drafting picks is valid; but it's enough to pressure him not enough to make a "case" (specially considering your previous 2 "bad" points).
Ultimately, the ONLY thing you can say against RO is that he wants to kill some people he previously said are likely town. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept pushing it (using RO's consequent reactions and responses as well) and didn't masquerade it with previously bad points.
You are free to keep pushing RO, but right now you made a single case-post and did nothing else basically regarding RO, not even commenting on his responses, which in my mind weren't even that "good", which I would think would make you...you know.....pressure him some more, considering it's the crux of your argument against him.
Speaking of which, yes, RO's comment on doing a 180 on those people and subsequent reaction is weirdly funny (by that I mean his reaction to VE's case and his seemingly "fuck you all" attitude when pressured about that previous point, along the fact he didn't really justify his change of heart before making it, but rather after he was called out, and had little evidence to show he actually did have that change of heart before and was genuine).
I'm interested in what he's going to do this day.
I'm also interested in what rayn thinks of this whole RO issue. He hasn't really commented on the VE vs RO issue at all, even when VE does point out a valid point against RO, considering rayn was tunneling the hell out of RO earlier.
rayn has turned kind of trollish and useless after the draft phase ended and that's bothering the hell out of me trying to get a read off him :/
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Countdown: 6
Oats, can you tell me where your position against Vivax is? I don't really want to wade through 7 pages of your filter to see them.
Or make a condensed post with your thoughts about him and justifying your vote, etc.
Vivax is being uncharacteristically "sane" and "not totally disruptive".
It's off-putting considering my experience with his town play.
He posts "normal" stuff, normal enough for both scum and town to post it. That in itself is null, considering the draft phase, and thus would need more info on this D1 phase.
But again, it's "weird" considering what (in my mind) uncharacteristic of his his play i (those "normal" posts of his follow that as well)
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VE I know you picked out of fear. Why?
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On April 07 2013 04:33 gonzaw wrote:Countdown: 7 No one comments on it because it's bad VE, and you put too much weight on it and nothing else. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Pre-Dawn Lynch Preference of WrathRestrainingOrder - RestrainingOrder first popped onto my radar in my first readthrough before commenting on Yamato's idea. This post. On April 04 2013 19:58 Restraining Order wrote:
The thing is denying mafia roles doesn't work too well anyways, and on top of that, if you try to coordinate it, it works even less.
The rolecop-rolevig combo alone has 2-3 possibilities on either end of the deal. (rolecop, capitalist, extractor & assassin, rolevig)
Sure, you might be a hero and get exactly the one they try to pick, but it's a crapshoot, and mafia inherently has the pickorder advantage due to possible coordination.
Rather, think about it like this: certain roles are not desireable for mafia to pick. Those roles, you don't pick early in the draft order. This includes all investigative roles (apart from rolecop), dreamflower, things like that. Not picking those in, say, the upper half, will mean more roles for town overall.
But having VTs is also very informative, so you really don't need to mind either way. Ultimately the logic behind this post is fairly sound. But upon further inspection, you'll find that all it really does is say "planning for the pick phase is futile, and doesn't matter". Why not just say that? Why go to the extra effort of explaining it in the throes of a huge planning session when it's clear it's just going to get ignored by people who are expending effort planning? It's a throw-away post that affects nothing and accomplishes nothing. This is irrelevant for his alignment Show nested quote +He proceeds to have a rather meaningless back and forth with rayn, which ultimately ends up with rayn having a scumread on him. Most of it is "You said" "No I didn't". But what I found interesting during this exchange was this post. On April 05 2013 03:37 Restraining Order wrote:On April 05 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 05 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:28 Restraining Order wrote:
Ok, you can keep townhunting them townreads if you want, I sent in my numbers already. They shouldn't be too obtrusive to whatever nonsense you'll come up with, so it's okay. This is like a scumclaim. elaborate why not wanting to discuss your plan is scummy please. You must have forgotten, but you also think I'm mafia. What is the town motivation for posting this? Like, assuming RO is town and he doesn't know what Oats' alignment is, what is the point of prodding Oats when he's soft-defending him like that? As scum it could serve to cast doubt on Oats if Oats is town, but what does it do if RO is town? I can't think of anything, and I found this post suspicious as hell as a result. If you can't figure out the town motivation for saying that, you are scum or bad VE. It's obvious what the town motivation for saying that is, and it's baffling how you both can't see it and use it to justify someone being scum. Hint: If RO is town, then he's seeing someone that accused him of being scum defending him. This would be contradictory and thus he'd try to get some answers out of Oats. Can't get any easier than this
Hint: It doesn't make Oats scum either, since you can always think someone is scum yet think other people are attacking him for the wrong reasons
Hint: It doesn't make RO scum for not "heavily pushing" it either, because of the previously mentioned reason (it doesn't make Oats insta-scum)The thing about RO "wanting" to kill people he previously said would basically be town because of drafting picks is valid; but it's enough to pressure him not enough to make a "case" (specially considering your previous 2 "bad" points). Ultimately, the ONLY thing you can say against RO is that he wants to kill some people he previously said are likely town. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept pushing it (using RO's consequent reactions and responses as well) and didn't masquerade it with previously bad points. You are free to keep pushing RO, but right now you made a single case-post and did nothing else basically regarding RO, not even commenting on his responses, which in my mind weren't even that "good", which I would think would make you...you know.....pressure him some more, considering it's the crux of your argument against him. Speaking of which, yes, RO's comment on doing a 180 on those people and subsequent reaction is weirdly funny (by that I mean his reaction to VE's case and his seemingly "fuck you all" attitude when pressured about that previous point, along the fact he didn't really justify his change of heart before making it, but rather after he was called out, and had little evidence to show he actually did have that change of heart before and was genuine). I'm interested in what he's going to do this day. I'm also interested in what rayn thinks of this whole RO issue. He hasn't really commented on the VE vs RO issue at all, even when VE does point out a valid point against RO, considering rayn was tunneling the hell out of RO earlier. rayn has turned kind of trollish and useless after the draft phase ended and that's bothering the hell out of me trying to get a read off him :/
My first point that you call "irrelevant to his alignment" is actually VERY relevant to his alignment. He's attempting to justify not doing shit while still trying to appear active. There's always a scum motivation for trying to APPEAR active while not doing anything. Why would he try to APPEAR active as town? I guess the only thing I can think of is avoiding ending up in the postion I'M in right now, but frankly I'M only in this position because I'm known as a spammer. Is RO? Then why is he trying to appear active? TO AVOID SCRUTINY!
Regarding the Oats thing, it's like a super soft defense of RO. It's not like Oats completely 180'd on RO and was saying he was town, he was questioning rayn's logic in calling RO's post a scumclaim. It was barely about RO at all, yet RO felt the IMMEDIATE need to toss shit on Oats. THAT'S what I have a problem with - presuming RO is town, WHY would he do this? Oat's isn't even attacking rayn, he's asking him to clarify his stance.
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On April 07 2013 04:40 gonzaw wrote:Countdown: 6 Oats, can you tell me where your position against Vivax is? I don't really want to wade through 7 pages of your filter to see them. Or make a condensed post with your thoughts about him and justifying your vote, etc. Vivax is being uncharacteristically "sane" and "not totally disruptive". It's off-putting considering my experience with his town play. He posts "normal" stuff, normal enough for both scum and town to post it. That in itself is null, considering the draft phase, and thus would need more info on this D1 phase. But again, it's "weird" considering what (in my mind) uncharacteristic of his his play i (those "normal" posts of his follow that as well)
He is scum.
I want him to die.
He supported Rayn's plan. Which was top 5 townies. Which was substantially worse than geript's plan. And he has no reads. And he snipes at me after I call him scum.
He has been UTTERLY lurking scum.
Basically.
Also his filter isnt that long 
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On April 07 2013 04:40 geript wrote:
VE I know you picked out of fear. Why?
What are you referring to?
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Oh cool, and you want to out my role to the thread. Neat.
Seriously fuck this game.
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On April 07 2013 04:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh cool, and you want to out my role to the thread. Neat.
Seriously fuck this game.
Why VE? Its not like you are supersaiyan townie VE.
Also if what geript says is true, your role is pretty bad.
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VE are you going to take this game seriously or not? Because if you aren't, I have no qualms with lynching you.
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Countdown: 5
sinani, what do you think of the Rayn-RO-VE issues?
What about other people that have been called out, like geript, Artanis, or Vivax for instance?
I hope you take this game seriously as well
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If VE isn't going to play, we kill him. He hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town and is avoiding discussing anything of value.
##Vote VisceraEyes
strongandbig also looks very likely to be mafia. In particular the fact that he considered the number picking strategy to be extremely important but then failed to provide any original thoughts is very suspect. He also seemed very concerned in his pregame posts about roles but didn't provide any insight about them after the game started.
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Lol when did I consider the number picking strategy to be very important
Afaik i haven't posted anything of substance since the game started, but I'm a little confused about what you meant by "concerned about roles" when the game started?
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