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On April 06 2013 14:05 geript wrote:
Most of my games have been not at TL as I've only played 4 games here; 11 were on two other sites. I have a townread on Mocsta and Yamato. I think it's a weak case, but one based in having no familiarity with me and more likely to come from town.
I agree with yam = town.
I didnt read the full "red team prize" where he smurfed. But I had him pegged as both town and scum within the first 12hours of the cycle.
I would like to see some more activity from him, but, perhaps hes just waiting for roles to be released.
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Im heading out again. See ya later.
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I'll post when I damn well feel like it.
Right now there is only so much to achieve.
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On April 06 2013 15:05 yamato77 wrote:
I'll post when I damn well feel like it.
Right now there is only so much to achieve.
lol
town and scum
should read yamato and scum.
Y the need to be so aggressive? It was a passing comment.
Do u have a beef with me or something.
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On April 06 2013 13:54 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote:@ArtanisXpI would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] +On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] +On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play?
Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. On April 05 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:
Im not sure why I need to know you have me as town though? Nor why everyone else needs to know?
Im asking because, Im still trying to figure out if that affects my perception of you. town are more likely to flip flop than mafia
u do realise artanis based his scum read of geript upon the flip flop reads u associate with being more likely from town...right¿
the irony being that artanis flipflopped his read of me.
Using artanisxp heuristic for geript. Artanis is scum
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On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote:On April 06 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote:
Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town? I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote:
... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking.
I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? this looks like your town meta from LXwhat do you have in terms of townreads? What do you think of Artanis's case on you?
What.... Expound.
Geript in lx as town was terribad. Everyone thought he was scum
what are u actually saying here.
Lets see some accountability pl0x
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Mocsta, what do you think of my points on VE?
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i didnt read the entire thread to see him getting chastised; i compared the similarities of his play here and his play there
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On April 06 2013 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
i didnt read the entire thread to see him getting chastised; i compared the similarities of his play here and his play there
So you are admiting to negligence - in relation to the Geript meta read.
Hence, why bother to comment.
Let me remind you.
On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:
this looks like your town meta from LX
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On April 06 2013 16:21 geript wrote:
Mocsta, what do you think of my points on VE? I think there are many low post count / low contribution count players in the game.
VE -as you presented- is one of them. I am keen to read his response.
I think any further commentary is simply, conjecture.
P.S. I am still waiting for Vivax to reply to my second follow up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=37#722
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Why did you avoid my question? I expect better of you Mocsta.
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wtf when does this game start?
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On April 06 2013 17:38 geript wrote:
Why did you avoid my question? I expect better of you Mocsta.
I didnt avoid it in a hidden way.
Why do I need to say I like it or not; and potentially influence the raw opinion of VE?
I think the case has enough merit, that it requires an unhindered response.
Ppl have a habit of commenting on cases (that are not directed to them); and affect the outcome of the case. That is bad play; so you were right to expect better from me... That better was to not comment.
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On April 06 2013 17:43 Palmar wrote:
wtf when does this game start?
Apparently, BC fucked something up.
So its been extended 24 hrs.
Its not clear whether the role PMs sent, are still eligible/applicable.
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mocsta gimme 2 names or something for me to read.
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On April 06 2013 18:28 Palmar wrote:
mocsta gimme 2 names or something for me to read.
Bill Murray
Vivax
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I still don't like your posts pre-VE case Geript, but your case on VE and the constructive way you replied to my post makes me willing to reconsider my read. I'm curious to read VE's reply to it.
On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote:@ArtanisXpI would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] +On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] +On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play?
No, I don't flip-flop on your alignment as all. I'm very specific in what my conclusion is and my thought process towards it is explained. I could've just posted that I thought you looked town now, and you'd ask me "why?" and then I'd say the same thing. I just saved us two posts of meaningless banter.
Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:
Im not sure why I need to know you have me as town though? Nor why everyone else needs to know?
Im asking because, Im still trying to figure out if that affects my perception of you.
Because you asked me a very specific question, which was my reasoning why I was questioning you. I'm explaining my thought process so you can follow it.
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On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote:I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons: 1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before?
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Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy. 2. Posting a list of who picked what is non-alignment indicative. While one could argue that it's an easy way to appear to be contributing while doing nothing, it's ridiculous to say that he's scum because of it. 3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push. 4. More on this later. 5. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.
What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).
What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Does this post actually tell you anything? No. A few people had even espoused this point. The important thing to look at in this post is how many question marks there are. In my experience, VE is far more decisive. This looks like he's trying to blandly +1 but do so in such a minor way to both allow KP roles to use it (and lynch them for it) as well not dissuade anyone from actually firing. 6. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Frankly rather than just be hard-defended Bill, I'd like to hear rayn's reasoning for thinking I'm scum. You know...so I can maybe get a read on rayn? Like, I appreciate the vote of confidence and everything, but I get the heebiejeebies when people hard defend me like they're already CERTAIN I'm town. :/
How ARE you certain I'm town by the way? This is an exceptionally soft push towards BM. Blazinghand pulled the exact same bullshit on "knowing" GoodKarma was town based on "meta" in The Game. Pulling that type of shit is suspicious at least. Artanis has been calling me out for similar things regarding Mocsta. VE decides to apply no pressure to BM at all and instead wants to pressure Rayn for thinking that VE's scum. What did VE do to SloOsh and Mocsta in Nomination Mafia? Flip their cases on him against them in order to either win them to his side and get them lynched. Same shit, new game. VE is SCUM
This post is essentially correct and I agree with it.
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@Mocsta:
BM is scum. he adds nothing at all with his posts which (surprisingly enough) is actually very uncharacteristic for him if he's town.
Just based on content alone he's really not doing much except giving out a townread on VE based on meta for whatever reason.
In order to see whether there was a difference or not, I went to BC's arkham city, an old game but one with mechanics to deal with and BM playing town, and his posting there couldn't be more different from what he's doing here, or well... it could, but then it wouldn't be BM anymore.
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On April 06 2013 17:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 17:11 Bill Murray wrote:
i didnt read the entire thread to see him getting chastised; i compared the similarities of his play here and his play there So you are admiting to negligence - in relation to the Geript meta read. Hence, why bother to comment. Let me remind you. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 14:03 Bill Murray wrote:
this looks like your town meta from LX
i read his posts, not the entire game... are you dumb?
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On April 06 2013 20:55 Palmar wrote:
@Mocsta:
BM is scum. he adds nothing at all with his posts which (surprisingly enough) is actually very uncharacteristic for him if he's town.
Just based on content alone he's really not doing much except giving out a townread on VE based on meta for whatever reason.
In order to see whether there was a difference or not, I went to BC's arkham city, an old game but one with mechanics to deal with and BM playing town, and his posting there couldn't be more different from what he's doing here, or well... it could, but then it wouldn't be BM anymore.
complete and utter bullshit coming from someone who normally posts and ISNT that I have called out
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