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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] + On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully. As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this? WHY? Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] + On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play? Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. On April 05 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote: Im not sure why I need to know you have me as town though? Nor why everyone else needs to know? Im asking because, Im still trying to figure out if that affects my perception of you. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. On April 06 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote: meta Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before? ... Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy. 2. Posting a list of who picked what is non-alignment indicative. While one could argue that it's an easy way to appear to be contributing while doing nothing, it's ridiculous to say that he's scum because of it. 3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push. 4. More on this later. 5. Look at this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea. What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. Does this post actually tell you anything? No. A few people had even espoused this point. The important thing to look at in this post is how many question marks there are. In my experience, VE is far more decisive. This looks like he's trying to blandly +1 but do so in such a minor way to both allow KP roles to use it (and lynch them for it) as well not dissuade anyone from actually firing. 6. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly rather than just be hard-defended Bill, I'd like to hear rayn's reasoning for thinking I'm scum. You know...so I can maybe get a read on rayn? Like, I appreciate the vote of confidence and everything, but I get the heebiejeebies when people hard defend me like they're already CERTAIN I'm town. :/ How ARE you certain I'm town by the way? This is an exceptionally soft push towards BM. Blazinghand pulled the exact same bullshit on "knowing" GoodKarma was town based on "meta" in The Game. Pulling that type of shit is suspicious at least. Artanis has been calling me out for similar things regarding Mocsta. VE decides to apply no pressure to BM at all and instead wants to pressure Rayn for thinking that VE's scum. What did VE do to SloOsh and Mocsta in Nomination Mafia? Flip their cases on him against them in order to either win them to his side and get them lynched. Same shit, new game. VE is SCUM | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
Are you new? Do you have weak reads? Are you not confident in your scum reads? Do I ever have the solution for you. Join the Scumhunters Assistants Team. Requirements: 1. For Days 1 and 2, 8-12 hours prior to each lynch you need to identify 2-3 people who you consider to be vets who you have a town read on. You need to give a few short reasons why you feel they are town. Additionally, you need to analyze who they've been pressuring and post who is your favorite (and second favorite) lynch and why. 2. For Days 1 and 2, you are expected to be sheeping one of your 2-3 vets that you have identified. There's nothing wrong with sheeping; hell, even DrHelvetica admitted to sheeping in the Beta podcast. The expectation is that you fulfill requirement 1 prior to sheeping however. 3. You need to not play to be a hero. Don't fire guns. Don't launch Nukes. Don't play to be a hero until LYLO/MYLO -1. Free reign then and not before. Odds of missing is too great. When you fire, you also need to be taking credit for said shot. 4. You are required to read dead townies filters. While some of it is WIFOM, it is important to read each dead player's filter to know who they suspected throughout the game and why. This is valuable information that will go to waste and can directly help determine who you should be lynching during the endgame if we get there. 5. You are to use your vote wisely. Think before you post and think before you vote. Your vote is your life, be willing to stake your life on it. 6. You still need to try to pressure players as best as you are capable. While you may not be asking the 'right' questions or applying pressure the best, you 'wading into' the thread with others will help other players establish both a read on you and on the people you are interacting with. 7. You need to try and produce at least a half page of filter per cycle. This will help other players get a better read on you. Don't post just to post. Anyone who is willing to hold themselves (and other members) accountable for said requirements will be pre-accepted. You only need to ##Join SAT With that, I'll take the lead. ##Join SAT | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote: I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons: 1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before? ... Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote: @ArtanisXp I would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] + On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully. As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this? WHY? Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] + On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play? Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. town are more likely to flip flop than mafia On April 06 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? AustinMCC at this point is betraying his blue meta as a lurker that I've seen He had a plan that would help the mafia, too, in regards to town picking from the mafia role list It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the mafia have taken from more "town" roles than "mafia" ones By that token, I don't expect there is a Godfather | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote: 3. RO is a great opportunity for a mislynch. If you read the thread up to this point, VE isn't the first and likely won't be the last to suspect RO. IIRC Rayn, Gonzaw and someone else already expressed thoughts that they were suspicious of RO. He hasn't shown a great deal of activity. His posts haven't established him either way. This is an easy lynch to push just like the Greymist lynch was an easy one to push. Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: town are more likely to flip flop than mafia AustinMCC at this point is betraying his blue meta as a lurker that I've seen He had a plan that would help the mafia, too, in regards to town picking from the mafia role list It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the mafia have taken from more "town" roles than "mafia" ones By that token, I don't expect there is a Godfather So do you know who is mafia or are you saying AustinMCC is a town read of yours? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
if mafia have a lot of KP roles, for instance, it is likely that Austin is mafia | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote: Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town? I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote: ... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking. I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote: I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? this looks like your town meta from LX what do you have in terms of townreads? What do you think of Artanis's case on you? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote: I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? I didn't read most of The Game (I did read some of it, first couple days I guess?) and I honestly don't care to at the moment, but I didn't call you scum for that, I just pointed out an opportunity you left open. That actually speaks well to you that you don't feel self-conscious about saying it. | ||
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geript
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 06 2013 14:05 ObviousOne wrote: I didn't read most of The Game (I did read some of it, first couple days I guess?) and I honestly don't care to at the moment, but I didn't call you scum for that, I just pointed out an opportunity you left open. That actually speaks well to you that you don't feel self-conscious about saying it. Please clarify the opportunity I left open. I'm not sure what you're saying here. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 06 2013 14:07 geript wrote: Please clarify the opportunity I left open. I'm not sure what you're saying here. It's easy to pick out something innocuous and run with it (especislly given the unfamiliarity with context: The Game in this case) and since you've already announced you were going to bed I don't want to see it come out later and waste time talking about it / whether or not it was a legit slip while you were gone. Now we addressed it and it makes sense to me. That was my point. Maybe it doesn't make sense to everyone else but I make weird observations sometimes. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote: ... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking. How.. he was talking about context of being scum in "the game" learn to read. | ||
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