EPTOn April 05 2013 02:53 Caller wrote:
wait how does vivax know there are five mafia
wait how does vivax know there are five mafia
hahaha
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strongandbig
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. Why On April 05 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote: this whole discussion is stupid until we get the drafting list btw yes Gonzaw would you mind telling me what you think of oats, artanis, sharrant, and decondou? Would like to hear someone else's thoughts. | ||
yamato77
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Sharrant
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On April 05 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote: this whole discussion is stupid until we get the drafting list btw What is the point of this post as a town member? I actually can't think of a reason to post this. Please enlighten me as to why this was stupid. | ||
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On April 05 2013 07:43 Sharrant wrote: What is the point of this post as a town member? I actually can't think of a reason to post this. Please enlighten me as to why this was stupid. This is an example of a misguided follow up. @Strongandbig why would you feel the need to call it stupid and not interject a non-worthless/non-stupid discussion for people to follow? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On April 05 2013 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Just caught up with the thread and it's filled with, well, filler. Can't say I've grown much wiser alignment wise other than Oats giving me town vibes simply for all the prodding in everything. With all these plans of picking or not picking it seems people have forgotten about the RNG option for picking which I still believe is the strongest as it puts scum at a big risk of becoming VT if they go for the strong roles whilst still allowing said town players to potentially pick a strong blue role. It covers both flanks. I'm still waffling about the RNG option. On the one hand I do like how it can cover more bases, but it loses out to me because there's no accountability. If the people at the top RNG between a few roles, yes it leaves options that the scum can end up with vanilla, but if one of the people expected to RNG is a mafia member then the mafia just got two power roles. (assuming we do each person RNG's between 2 roles and have the top 4 players do that. It would cover 8 roles, but potentially give the mafia 2 freeish roles. If we do it and have 4 people RNG between 8 or more roles, then we have the possibility of town overlapping in the top picks, but it's more risky for the scum if they have someone in the top 4. I just don't see it being as effective as having the top 3 people pick strong, and visible power roles such as PoD. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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yamato77
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On April 05 2013 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: what do you want? Why are you not even reading the thread? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On April 05 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC, rly? ? | ||
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Palmar
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Thread is less boring now btw. | ||
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yamato77
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So usually I hate talking about setup, as most people know. I am a regular advocate of the idea that too much setup talk is bad for town. So what makes this game different? If you've been reading my posts, you should know. I see this time we've been given as evidence that we, as town, are supposed to try to influence picks in such a way. Also, since we cannot lynch anyone for yet another 74 hours or so, the best thing to get anything alignment indicative out of anyone right now is to formulate a pro-town plan for these picks and see who agrees/disagrees and why. As with Ver's analysis of XXX, townies make themselves extremely obvious when trying to contribute to such a plan. Sheer level of effort and thought put into such contributions lets me cross certain people off the list, whether they agree with my plan or not. But what would mafia do? There really isn't one answer to this question, especially today. I have a few people that I have been mildly suspicious of for varying reasons at certain points, and for a few different reasons. I want to walk all of you through how I've thought about what mafia would or wouldn't do in certain situations and what actually happened. One of the ways I, personally, have attempted to play mafia is as a disruptive agent. You disagree with town, try to throw them off, and generally argue against popular thread sentiment or pro-town ideas in an effort to shit up the thread. When applied to this game, three notable players have shown signs of this, and I reach my conclusions about their alignment differently. The first is Oatsmaster. I have played in many games with him by now, so I am fairly familiar with his through process as a player, and his general tendency to be unintentionally disruptive even as town. At some point, I did openly question how far I was willing to let him slide because of this reputation, but it became clear to me through his sheer determination in talking about the game that he is fairly town, and not to be worried about. While he's often wrong as town, he is not the type of mafia player to continually put himself out in the open in such a way as he has now. Caller was another that I questioned the motives of. His initial play seemed trollish and generally disruptive to town, while not offering much in the way of actual contribution. Hilariously enough, it is his response to me considering the possibility that he is scum that leads me to believe he is actually town. He seems interested enough in finding mafia that I feel as if he is probably telling the truth when he says he thinks setup talk is a waste of time. No reason to consider him a legitimate threat at the moment. One player that I began thinking was mafia from their first post and have continued to think so is Meapak_Ziphh. On April 05 2013 01:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hai rolepicking is stupid and doesn't work, thanks for spamming the thread. So let's move on to why people are calling Caller scum when it's pretty clear he's not. Anyone wanna take credit for that... Bueller? Bueller? I called this post out earlier, but I want to reiterate, this is a terrible post. He INDIRECTLY calls me mafia for attacking Caller, but never actually mentions my name. He's not even interested in pursuing any clear suspicions, he's just needlessly shitting up the thread with unnecessarily negative opinions about me, which is clearly an attempt to stifle my influence on the town. Also of note is that he never follows this up, despite me trying to give him a chance to do so. Observe: On April 05 2013 06:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Why yes Gonzaw would you mind telling me what you think of oats, artanis, sharrant, and decondou? Would like to hear someone else's thoughts. On April 05 2013 07:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: what do you want? For someone who hates "spamming" as he supposedly wants us to believe, these are two posts that are completely useless. He has failed to give any real opinions about the game at all so far, and we're already 24 hours in. As I pointed out in my previous post, it is also evidence that he's not even reading the thread, as I specifically asked him to explain his first post in a more coherent manner, yet he failed. Meapak seems like classic lazy scum. He's not interested in any even remotely townlike, and his general posting style is shitty and hypocritical. I would lynch him right now if I had the chance. But he's only one scum, and being disruptive is only one way to play mafia. Another heuristic to look at during these early phases is who seems disinterested with town's plans, and whose general contributions so far look comparatively bad. On April 04 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I like yamato's idea. Here's why. Firstly, I don't know about anyone else, but I think I can come up with at least 2 or 3 good solid townreads by the time the picking phase rolls around. And if I really put my mind to it, I could definitely come up with 5. No big deal. Secondly, even if I'm wrong about my townreads and we end up giving the role in question to a scummer, they won't be able to use the power even if they want to (presuming it's something we'll notice like a Janitor or Vote-Rigger, being the roles I'd be most concerned with.) The only concerns I have: 1) There are logistic concerns regarding who the "chosen" even are - I don't think we have time for an "election" or anything, plus there's no guarantee that everyone will even be around to give their opinion. This isn't a normal day phase, we have less than 24 hours. 2) Would it not be more beneficial to have our super townie players pick preservation roles? Denying mafia looks good on paper, but it's like Sherlock said we can't deny them all the mafia-favoring roles. Oh, VE. For someone so normally spammy and excited to play the game, this is your sole contribution, and it is only agreeing with me, and restating things people has already brought up before. I am willing to give you time, oh masterful VE, but only so much. Do something. On April 04 2013 21:40 Palmar wrote: Morning, do I have to read the planning phase? Palmar's general posting is something like this. Perhaps I am reading TOO much into this, but if town Palmar didn't give a fuck, would he care enough to actually post it in the thread? It seems like he feels that it's necessary to explain his lack of interest, multiple times. Similar to VE, I am willing to give him some time, but I'M WATCHING. On April 05 2013 03:19 Bill Murray wrote: 1. CALLER PLZ ME deconduo Palmar raynpelikoneet visceraeyes vivax gonzaw austinmcc sinani206 strongandbig meapak_ziphh artanis[xp] sharrant sn0_man keirathi Obviousone geript restraining order shelvocke yamato77 mocsta 23. Oatmaster This post is bad and BM should feel bad. He offers no real analysis on any of these players. It seems like he's calling Caller town just to agree with him, which is concerning this early on in the game. I don't feel like a town player would come in and post like this, but Bill Murray has a reputation for being a wildcard, so I'm not 100% sure that it's alignment indicative. Again, with low-contributors, it is hard to define when it becomes "mafia motivated' disinterest or incapability, but it is worthy to note that while he has posted something, it was... not a positive indicator on the alignment scale. So that's about all I have out of this game so far besides a bunch of townreads with varying degrees of certainty. Hopefully we can get the few I think are mafia out of the potential candidates for power roles. | ||
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