EPTScum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles.
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Scum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid. So we disagree. EBWOP: I meant to say "having people in "1-> to absolutely deny scum favored roles" is stupid." | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:00 Keirathi wrote: rayn: I honestly think you are missing something here. Scum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles. No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
with CPR doc Copycat thief | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players. (because you basically out yourself by doing so) Um how? we dont claim right? Scum want to get as much KP as possible I think, cause more townies around longer isnt good. Whats wrong with my plan Rayn? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Um how? we dont claim right? Scum want to get as much KP as possible I think, cause more townies around longer isnt good. Whats wrong with my plan Rayn? BLARFFFFFFFFFFFFFF........ Someone in the mid section is gonna pick medic anyways and that'll come out at some point. If you were #3 picking medic you were dumb, or scum. | ||
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Shelvocke
Grenada70 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: BLARFFFFFFFFFFFFFF........ Someone in the mid section is gonna pick medic anyways and that'll come out at some point. If you were #3 picking medic you were dumb, or scum. So many different medics. The point is if like #15 picked medic and got VT there are 11 possibilities as to who picked medic. Too many. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck it. I'm not gonna discuss scum strategies here. It's for you to figure out how to play this setup as scum if you are one.. I dont think scum has a problem with that in the slightest. I go back to my original plan which is to let the order fall as it shall and not direct it. 1 scum read each everyone? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why do you think all 3 ppl at the top won't pick the same role of those three if you don't want people to claim what did they pick? Having the top 3-5 have preset picks is both unfun and non-productive. It tells scum who to thieve/swap with. That's why the preset pick list is bad. It's exactly why my plan of pod picks is much, much better. It gives people freedom to choose while still providing strong uncertainty as to what exactly has been happening. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid. So we disagree. Well, you're just wrong. Preventing scum from getting the obviously powerful scum roles is exceptionally bad for town. Especially with roles like Janitor. Shit can go bad exceptionally fast in that regard. Roles aren't that important for town. Town will be smart and lynch scum. It's going to happen. Preventing "bad shit" is just as important as being able to do "cool shit." | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:18 geript wrote: Having the top 3-5 have preset picks is both unfun and non-productive. It tells scum who to thieve/swap with. That's why the preset pick list is bad. It's exactly why my plan of pod picks is much, much better. It gives people freedom to choose while still providing strong uncertainty as to what exactly has been happening. That's what i'm saying no? On April 05 2013 04:20 geript wrote: Well, you're just wrong. Preventing scum from getting the obviously powerful scum roles is exceptionally bad for town. Especially with roles like Janitor. Shit can go bad exceptionally fast in that regard. Roles aren't that important for town. Town will be smart and lynch scum. It's going to happen. Preventing "bad shit" is just as important as being able to do "cool shit." I don't see how this has anything to do with "#1 must pick X role"? Or if it does, what should #1 pick then? I meant we can't say #1 MUST deny the most powerful scum role, or even #2 or #3.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:13 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think scum has a problem with that in the slightest. I go back to my original plan which is to let the order fall as it shall and not direct it. 1 scum read each everyone? Then why do you want to do that? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Caller, RO, Oats. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 04 2013 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote: pshhhh words. Intention is far more important than mere WORDS. Why did you phrase that 'question' to Caller in a way to appear like you are discrediting him? it's not the facts that matter, it's the meaning behind the facts. | ||
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