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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:30 GMT
#3861
I checked SShelvocke; he is confirmed vanilla.

and dandel would have had no idea i was checking him (if ppl want that wifom)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:30 GMT
#3862
confirmed vanilla.

Alignment unknown.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:31 GMT
#3863
On April 16 2013 22:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 17:37 yamato77 wrote:
The timing is a moot point, because with an AFK host in BC, the shot could have been sent at any point.

I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure.

You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all?

To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen.


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
Any of Artanis/VE/Sinani will do as a lynch today, but gonzaw being shot does lend a certain weight to the Artanis lynch that I like.


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, let's talk about something else.

What's your read on Sinani?


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote:
So aside from Sinani, who else would you lynch today?

Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar?


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Well, aside from Rayn, it's rather unsettling how much you seem to agree with me.

I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one.

BRB, case.


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is?

This post alone is enough for me, actually.

##Vote Sinani


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis

Does that seem natural to you as a town player?


You do the same stuff you mention against Shelvocke: After mentioning both Artanis and VE as scumread, saying that gonzaw's death gave more weight to artanis, you chose to go after sinani. You weakly bussed your teammates while going for another player, and you didn't have time to switch back to one of them, nor did it make sense for you to do that.

Is Shelvocke Vanilla?In that case, he's a traitor with a green check, sinani is confirmed for having a role AND has a green check.

##Unvote sinani206
##Vote Shelvocke

I get this process look terrible for yamato.. i hated it at the time, and still hate it.

But.. why are you treating shelvocke as traitor? EVEN *if* he was traitor.. how do you jump to the conclusion taht scum already figured out he was traitor, and pm the host?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:38 GMT
#3864
Mocsta, the problem is that both of you are ignoring the fact that until he died, Artanis did start to look better, even by your own admission.

The difference is in how I unvoted Artanis after engaging him, and shelvocke invites him based on WIFOM without a second thought.

Think about this more. It's seriously not that difficult to understand how I could have simply been wrong, because it is there in my filter. It is not in Shelvocke's however. I wasn't cherry picking like you guys when I showed his read on Artanis and the ridiculous way he went off the wagon.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
April 16 2013 14:38 GMT
#3865
On April 16 2013 23:31 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 08 2013 17:37 yamato77 wrote:
The timing is a moot point, because with an AFK host in BC, the shot could have been sent at any point.

I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure.

You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all?

To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen.


On April 08 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
Any of Artanis/VE/Sinani will do as a lynch today, but gonzaw being shot does lend a certain weight to the Artanis lynch that I like.


On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, let's talk about something else.

What's your read on Sinani?


On April 08 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote:
So aside from Sinani, who else would you lynch today?

Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar?


On April 08 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Well, aside from Rayn, it's rather unsettling how much you seem to agree with me.

I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one.

BRB, case.


On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is?

This post alone is enough for me, actually.

##Vote Sinani


On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis

Does that seem natural to you as a town player?


You do the same stuff you mention against Shelvocke: After mentioning both Artanis and VE as scumread, saying that gonzaw's death gave more weight to artanis, you chose to go after sinani. You weakly bussed your teammates while going for another player, and you didn't have time to switch back to one of them, nor did it make sense for you to do that.

Is Shelvocke Vanilla?In that case, he's a traitor with a green check, sinani is confirmed for having a role AND has a green check.

##Unvote sinani206
##Vote Shelvocke

I get this process look terrible for yamato.. i hated it at the time, and still hate it.

But.. why are you treating shelvocke as traitor? EVEN *if* he was traitor.. how do you jump to the conclusion taht scum already figured out he was traitor, and pm the host?



We don't know if they figured it out, he still wins with scum even if they didn't, they just can't communicate.
Traitor is actually a smart pick, 6 scum is pretty strong, and them not giving up is other evidence that they think they have a good position.

He's vanilla, and has not been playing pro-town, he has been green-checked and not been doing much at all since then.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:38 GMT
#3866
On April 06 2013 09:17 Bill Murray wrote:
I want to pick a defensive role, since mafia are unlikely to pick them, but if I overlap with someone, I'll be a townie ;/

Yam.. This quote seriously looks bad for you.... Who overlapped Justice Vigi with BM, and thus was treated as confirmed town for multiple cycles... BM.. This quote is NOT a random coincidence.

On April 06 2013 13:03 Bill Murray wrote:
geript is yamato your top scum?

Bm doesn't give a shit on anyone this game.

But decides to check in when someone is suspicious of yam...

========================

Then you have his actions during the Artanis lynch; where he says he will follow gonzaw, and then tries to push it to Sinani.... What is the town motive there?
(As vivax has shown)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=193#3859

& finally you have the way yamato tries to fling all cases off him..

All game when under heat his response is akin to:
On April 16 2013 21:18 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not even going to fight you people lynching me because it makes no sense. You're inventing narratives to fit this idea of me being mafia rather than taking the time to honestly evaluate my play in context.

There are three people you need to be weary of; Oats, Vivax, and Shelvocke. I hope you have enough lynches left.

The guy doesnt give a shit.

When Oats/Vivax were under heat.. both of them have some passion back... TOWN passoin.

Yamato just throws in a snide remark *I hope you have enough lynches left*

This guy is scum; and doesnt give a shit.

========================

All
##Vote: Yamato77
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:39 GMT
#3867
On April 16 2013 23:38 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta, the problem is that both of you are ignoring the fact that until he died, Artanis did start to look better, even by your own admission.

The difference is in how I unvoted Artanis after engaging him, and shelvocke invites him based on WIFOM without a second thought.

Think about this more. It's seriously not that difficult to understand how I could have simply been wrong, because it is there in my filter. It is not in Shelvocke's however. I wasn't cherry picking like you guys when I showed his read on Artanis and the ridiculous way he went off the wagon.

Nah.. i seriously questioned the way you unvoted artanis at the time.

I distinctly remember having a go at you.
I dont believe Vivax captured those interactions.

In unbelievable town would trumpet the Gonzaw horn so hard; and then just drop it on a whimper.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:41 GMT
#3868
On April 16 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 23:31 Mocsta wrote:
On April 16 2013 22:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 08 2013 17:37 yamato77 wrote:
The timing is a moot point, because with an AFK host in BC, the shot could have been sent at any point.

I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure.

You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all?

To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen.


On April 08 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
Any of Artanis/VE/Sinani will do as a lynch today, but gonzaw being shot does lend a certain weight to the Artanis lynch that I like.


On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, let's talk about something else.

What's your read on Sinani?


On April 08 2013 18:06 yamato77 wrote:
So aside from Sinani, who else would you lynch today?

Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar?


On April 08 2013 18:11 yamato77 wrote:
Well, aside from Rayn, it's rather unsettling how much you seem to agree with me.

I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one.

BRB, case.


On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote:
gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is?

This post alone is enough for me, actually.

##Vote Sinani


On April 09 2013 04:47 yamato77 wrote:
Look at how Shelvocke came in and unvoted Artanis

Does that seem natural to you as a town player?


You do the same stuff you mention against Shelvocke: After mentioning both Artanis and VE as scumread, saying that gonzaw's death gave more weight to artanis, you chose to go after sinani. You weakly bussed your teammates while going for another player, and you didn't have time to switch back to one of them, nor did it make sense for you to do that.

Is Shelvocke Vanilla?In that case, he's a traitor with a green check, sinani is confirmed for having a role AND has a green check.

##Unvote sinani206
##Vote Shelvocke

I get this process look terrible for yamato.. i hated it at the time, and still hate it.

But.. why are you treating shelvocke as traitor? EVEN *if* he was traitor.. how do you jump to the conclusion taht scum already figured out he was traitor, and pm the host?



We don't know if they figured it out, he still wins with scum even if they didn't, they just can't communicate.
Traitor is actually a smart pick, 6 scum is pretty strong, and them not giving up is other evidence that they think they have a good position.

He's vanilla, and has not been playing pro-town, he has been green-checked and not been doing much at all since then.

Some would say the same for you.

Im OK with Shelvocke as a double lynch.. but not as a primary (but i suspect we alraedy had the saem conclusion)
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:41 GMT
#3869
Whatever. I'm no longer interested in arguing with you. There's no point when you have this idea in your head and don't let it go.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:42 GMT
#3870
Also, you're right, I don't care.

Arguing with you this game has been the most unfun experience ever.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:44 GMT
#3871
On April 16 2013 23:42 yamato77 wrote:
Also, you're right, I don't care.

Arguing with you this game has been the most unfun experience ever.

See ya later then.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:45 GMT
#3872
I refuse to believe

you gave a shit about hydra, purely because you had a nuke
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 16 2013 14:45 GMT
#3873
a town yam, would have shat all over my idea about BM and his WIFOM list post.

its ok.. scum yam gives up.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:46 GMT
#3874
On April 16 2013 23:45 Mocsta wrote:
I refuse to believe

you gave a shit about hydra, purely because you had a nuke

I very clearly gave a shit about this game for quite a while.

But whatever, just because I'm demotivated late game, call me mafia.

Absurd.
Writer@WriterYamato
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
April 16 2013 14:46 GMT
#3875
On April 16 2013 23:45 Mocsta wrote:
a town yam, would have shat all over my idea about BM and his WIFOM list post.

its ok.. scum yam gives up.


Agree with this conclusion. Pretty much similar to NSB from hydra 2 after losing his buddies.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:48 GMT
#3876
Note that you guys are trying to lynch me for moving the lynch off of mafia onto someone you don't know the alignment of certainly, and assuming that it was mafia motivated simply because it happened.

Just because I felt stronger about my own read on Sinani at the time does not mean I'm mafia who just "weakly bussed" his teammates.

Also, if you look at voting, MAFIA ALL BUSSED THAT DAY
Writer@WriterYamato
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 16 2013 14:49 GMT
#3877
On April 16 2013 23:48 yamato77 wrote:
Note that you guys are trying to lynch me for moving the lynch off of mafia onto someone you don't know the alignment of certainly, and assuming that it was mafia motivated simply because it happened.

Just because I felt stronger about my own read on Sinani at the time does not mean I'm mafia who just "weakly bussed" his teammates.

Also, if you look at voting, MAFIA ALL BUSSED THAT DAY

nope im lynching you cause you are pretty fucking useless this game.

And guess what? Recently town yamato, has been the BOMB MAN, CATCHING SCUM LEFT AND RIGHT.
now you dont care. Its really a shame if you are town
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
April 16 2013 14:50 GMT
#3878
You bussed too, OO-style. Weakly and without followup.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
April 16 2013 14:52 GMT
#3879
On April 16 2013 23:48 yamato77 wrote:
Note that you guys are trying to lynch me for moving the lynch off of mafia onto someone you don't know the alignment of certainly, and assuming that it was mafia motivated simply because it happened.

Just because I felt stronger about my own read on Sinani at the time does not mean I'm mafia who just "weakly bussed" his teammates.

Also, if you look at voting, MAFIA ALL BUSSED THAT DAY


By your own logic I would be town cause I didn't "bus" artanis?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 16 2013 14:53 GMT
#3880
Lol, whatever.

I was suspicious of BM when you were all fawning over claims.

I've been telling town to lynch into deadwood like Vivax and Shelvocke all game, since they've been un-involved for days.

Get over yourselves. Me "giving up" or whatever is in no way an indication of my alignment. I quite clearly do just this late game in Parallel and Personality when I feel demotivated to post or play.
Writer@WriterYamato
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