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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 03:03 GMT
#3154
Well. Information.

WHO JOINED THE RECRUITING MASON CIRCLE?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 03:07 GMT
#3157
GG Sharrant and Austin.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 14:27 GMT
#3277
TBH I'm inclined to let BM shoot whoever he wants, and as M_Z said if he is alive and no scum is dead we just kill him.

I asked a similar question about how the godfather's "cover" works and haven't got a response but it should be quite informative if this one gets an answer. The reason I wonder is because sinani's role choice and play make me think he *could be* scum. Invention had no clause about going through framing/godfather etc.

I really want to know who is in the PM network now guys.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 15:33 GMT
#3282
New and improved list:

Alive:
1: Sn0_man - inventor
4: Sinani206 - Vote Rigger - Depending on godfather answers I still harbour some suspicion here
6: Geript - Claimed VT going for NRA
7: strongandbig - Claimed DT, green check on Meapak_Ziph.
9: Restraining Oder - Claimed Framer
10: Meapak_ziphh - AMERICA Green check reliant on strongandbig, also godfather questions
15: Keirathi - Claimed NKVD
17: Mocsta - Claimed Capitalist
18: Shelvocke - Claimed VT going for Showtime
20: Vivax - Claimed Parity Cop
21: Oatmaster - Recruiting Mason (near confirmed pending today's addition)
22: Bill Murray - Claimed JV, Claimed caller shot.
23: Yamato77 - Claimed VT going for JV

Dead:
2: obviousone - CPR doc
3: Raynpelikoneet - Alignment unknown assumed TOWN, Assumed VT going for inventor
5: Visceraeyes - NRA member
8: Caller - Showtime Likely red depending on Bill Murray resolution
11: artanis[xp] - GF Assassin
12: sharrant - VT tried for DT
13: gonzaw - Jack of all Trades
14: Austinmcc - Copycat (got Jack of all Trades)
16: Palmar - Assumed Town Emperor
19: Deconduo - Claimed Janitor

Discussion in another post
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 15:46 GMT
#3285
So the Sketchy claims to me are:

23: Yamato77 - Claimed VT going for JV
We knew bill had claimed JV. Ultra-safe claim. Not much backup.

20: Vivax - Claimed Parity Cop
Everybody knows why this is weak. If Vivax is scum he can pretend to aim this at *any* townie and then say "oh hey hes town". Admittedly a role that is likely to make it through, also makes it a safe fake-claim. However, a role-check on this claim would basically confirm vivax as town.

18: Shelvocke - Claimed VT going for Showtime
Showtime was already claimed so safe claim, SHOWTIME ISN'T A TOWNIE ROLE ANYWAY


With honorable mentions for scummy role-picks going to to:
Oats (could be fishing for roles for Assassin, although extractor makes sense so unliekly),
Mocsta (KP role, shot what looks like town right now, although claiming shot early seems pretty townie. Capitalist may be more scum-motivated (due to assassin) than Vig though),
Restraining Order: Scum role ("denial pick" sure, but still a scum role. Didn't actually block anybody's pick afaik. Early claim is a point in his favour though. He may still have used it.)
strongandbig (role check for assassin hits, blocks town detective picks, easy to use for town cred)
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 15:50 GMT
#3286
EBWOP: Maybe not "scummy role-picks" in honorable mentions, maybe more like "Not iron-clad town-proving role picks"
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:01 GMT
#3288
So, the funny thing is that as far as we know if either Yam or Shelvocke are scum they could still be VT (potential vote-rigger attempt?). Hence I think the role-check goes on Vivax (if we are not Justice-Vigging him). DT checks on either Shelvocke or Yamato make sense, although 2 of our 3 alignment checks from last night are now dead (plus the invention is also used up).

Bill Murray, as we have known forever, will be resolved come morning.

The other people that I'm suspicious of are geript and sinani, but sinani has a green check so I'm still waiting on host info re-godfather stuff and if I wan't to make a case on geript I'm going to have to spend a lot of time re-reading day 1. For now, I think we focus on the three claims I called "sketchy".
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:02 GMT
#3289
On April 13 2013 00:57 Restraining Order wrote:
Mason is a pretty townie role to pick. For sneaky rolefishing, there are better roles (rolecop, extractor, DT would be expected to be picked before him tbh)

Plus, if that was the intention, oats failed pretty bad at it, I had my role publicly claimed already and M_Z never warned us about this nuking business beforehand. So that didn't work out so well then, lol.


Who is new to your PM circle?

@Oats does the host inform you who is added or do they just show up?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:13 GMT
#3293
On April 13 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 01:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2013 00:57 Restraining Order wrote:
Mason is a pretty townie role to pick. For sneaky rolefishing, there are better roles (rolecop, extractor, DT would be expected to be picked before him tbh)

Plus, if that was the intention, oats failed pretty bad at it, I had my role publicly claimed already and M_Z never warned us about this nuking business beforehand. So that didn't work out so well then, lol.


Who is new to your PM circle?

@Oats does the host inform you who is added or do they just show up?

Host informs me.
BC hasnt informed me.


Host seems busy. I'm a bit worried about the invention getting validated today.

I'm less interested in a "gravedigger's shovel" thing now that all day 1 KP are accounted for AND we know how many scum are left (3 dead, either Caller or BM have to be afaik, leaving 1 left). If there is a traitor then he will OBVIOUSLY be found among those who can't prove their role claims.

I wonder if a "submit 3 names, get 3 roles in random order" kind of invention might work. Have to play with the numbers.

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:32 GMT
#3297
On April 13 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote:
so are we still trying to coordinate cop checks?


Dunno, you/mocsta/kei/bill should do some sort of coordination. We have 4 chances to identify the last Non-Bill-Murray scum.

Key here is that mocsta's check only works fully on basically vivax (since everybody else claimed VT which could be true).

So IMO vivax should only be targeted by mocsta (since unless vivax's parity check comes back "scum" we honestly don't learn anything about his alignment).

Then you/kei/bill can decide who you want to aim for (bill will be bill but you and kei could aim Shelvocke/yamato). That covers what I would call the most likely options.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:38 GMT
#3302
On April 13 2013 01:35 geript wrote:
Best plan here:

S&B check Yamato
Vivax check Mocsta
Keirathi check S&B
Mocsta check... RO or Vivax if you want.
BM Shoot Vivax or S&B (pref for Vivax)
Sn0 make a KP invention and hand it out to obvious town. We want a stack of KP in case we get to the endgame.


Wat about shelvocke?

Also mocsta's check is only guaranteed to be alignment indicative on vivax. So he gets to target vivax.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 16:56 GMT
#3305
Wat about shelvocke?

PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:05 GMT
#3308
On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?

PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor.

Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead.

Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day.


Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well.

This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:16 GMT
#3321
On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:
On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?

PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor.

Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead.

Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day.


Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well.

This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up.

KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe.

Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient.


There is actually a disaster situation where BM is scum "injustice vigi" who shoots town, Sinani is scum vote rigger covered by godfather, and yamato/shelvocke are BOTH traitors. Then we lose to 2x NK, then Vote rig, then 2x NK.

Buuuuut thats not likely.

Still, inventing KP does prevent it

TBH inventing KP seems fine to me, so long as BC lets me and I can give it to somebody who won't go crazy with it (*cough* geript *cough). I'd say there is absolutely no chance you die tonight Kei given that you can't recieve inventions and you have the weakest cop check around atm (except maybe mocsta).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:26 GMT
#3328
On April 13 2013 02:23 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:
On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:
On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?

PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor.

Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead.

Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day.


Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well.

This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up.

KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe.

Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient.

I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention.

All the more reason to give it to me.

You dying to green check me again doesn't further our cause at all.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:32 GMT
#3334
Bouncing 1-shot compulsive justice vigi off of the hosts now.

Not really expecting an answer for a while tho.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:33 GMT
#3336
PS

What do you guys think of double-lynch tomorrow? I'm pretty sure its a good idea plus it precludes the chance of us getting vote rigged since sinani can't use both. Thoughts?

Only problem is I don't think we KNOW about double lynch until the night-post (unlike the emperor version).
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 17:45 GMT
#3340
Ummm, given how M_Z *nuked* austin yesterday, I'd say its highly unlikely that scum would claim DT with a TOWN check on him. Before the nuke ofc. Austin was going to be the easiest (mis)lynch in history. No scum explanation for that. Kei is confirmed town to me.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 18:25 GMT
#3352
Who joined the PM network? Oats you here?

I'm assuming with Kurumi around you know now?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 12 2013 18:53 GMT
#3358
On April 13 2013 03:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 03:26 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 13 2013 03:26 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 13 2013 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
Who joined the PM network? Oats you here?

I'm assuming with Kurumi around you know now?

We have a new friend, I can attest.

Oh, and it's Keirathi.


Should have invited Bill Murray.

Its not an invite kinda thing. Read the role (where it specifies "random")
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