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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 20:10 GMT
#1081
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 20:10 GMT
#1082
On March 17 2013 06:11 Kurumi wrote:
Currently the deadline is 21:00 GMT (+00:00)(0700 KST), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.


They are contradictory...
Grubby's #1 Fan
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 20:11 GMT
#1083
On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:

Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.

Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?

It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.

My town read on you = gone.


Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum??

You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure?


I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.

It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.

@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.


Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it.

Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up.

While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes.

And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.



Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 20:11 GMT
#1084
On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.


Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani?
Grubby's #1 Fan
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 20:12 GMT
#1085
14:00 PDT is in 49 minutes
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 20:12 GMT
#1086
On March 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.


Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani?


Because I think Kei is a better lynch, dopeydrawers
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 20:12 GMT
#1087
We take the Day 1 post as the correct deadline time. Let's move on.

On March 26 2013 07:33 Kurumi wrote:
Day 1

I am already late! Fluff can come tomorrow!

Welcome to the Day 1! Since we have 16 players here, I'll create a voting thread so it is easier for me to manage (I'll rewrite OP accordingly) Remember we're doing Deadline Majority. So you better get 9 people to vote someone or you're left with nothing. We end this day on 28th of March 7:00 KST.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 20:13 GMT
#1088
On March 28 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.


Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani?


Because I think Kei is a better lynch, dopeydrawers


No because a vote for Kei is basically a vote to save Nisani right now. That's why the timing of the case is really suspect.
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sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 20:13 GMT
#1089
On March 28 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.


Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani?


Because I think Kei is a better lynch, dopeydrawers


It's not a better lynch if he's not getting lynched. Not enough people are going to switch. Stay on Nisani.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 20:13 GMT
#1090
On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:

Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.

Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?

It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.

My town read on you = gone.


Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum??

You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure?


I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.

It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.

@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.


Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it.

Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up.

While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes.

And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.



Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused


Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 27 2013 20:14 GMT
#1091
On March 28 2013 05:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.


Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani?


Because I think Kei is a better lynch, dopeydrawers


No because a vote for Kei is basically a vote to save Nisani right now. That's why the timing of the case is really suspect.


Again, 2.5 hours is plenty to get a majority. And again

On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 27 2013 20:14 GMT
#1092
K I'll switch over to make majority stick.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
March 27 2013 20:15 GMT
#1093
On March 28 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Sinani is Scum. Here's why:

1) He has a HUGE HISTORY playing with Nisani! He of all people should understand how to read Nisani very well. Instead, his case...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=41#809
... is completely comprised of stuff that is in Nisani's town games as well!



I would say that this is a very valid point.

It's partly why I'm very interested in hearing what Nisani has to say about sinani.

I don't have any special insight into how Sinani plays mafia. Anyone who's played with him in the past knows his playstyle, and that he's very hard to read. The only content in his filter is the case against me, which is horrible but indicative of nothing.
Enjoy your day.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 27 2013 20:15 GMT
#1094
Why are all the votes in there for Nisani?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 27 2013 20:16 GMT
#1095
Like there is literally 1 Sinani vote
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 27 2013 20:16 GMT
#1096
On March 28 2013 05:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:

Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.

Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?

It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.

My town read on you = gone.


Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum??

You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure?


I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.

It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.

@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.


Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it.

Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up.

While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes.

And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.



Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused


Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play?


As town, Nisani generally uses very logical analysis to determine who is scum and will stay confident on said player. As scum, Nisani is unsure and just tries to win favor of the town without being too aggressive, which is what he has done in this game.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#1097
Brb after coffee
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#1098
On March 28 2013 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:05 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi

And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason.


Why the fixation for reasons?


Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up.
What.

Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER.



I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell?

I was on Grack for the first 24 hours.

Is that the only thing you can say??
What about marv's 'concerns'?

I already replied to marv.


By saying nothing incriminating and being all nice, same with mine. Kinda, by objecting to a non-relevant part of my reasoning.

Where is the post with your reads that you were promising?

I wasn't objecting to the non-relevant part of your reasoning. I was objecting to the only part of your reasoning that was actually coherent. "What is with your obsession with reasons?" and "You have a 3 page filter." are not valid reasons at all, and not worth responding to.

Anyways, I'm really not feeling the sinani push.

My preferred lynch today would be Smurf. The way he was just so absolutely sure that prplhz was town when Hapa and I were both arguing the opposite really feels like he knows alignments already.

If Smurf isn't happening, I am really unsure past that. I would consolidate to Nisani to secure a lynch, but i don't feel super strong about it either. He could be scum, but mostly he's just a lurker to me.

Marv is being useless, Palmar has like 10 scumreads but isn't pushing any of them or doing anything.

S&B: Where the hell is he in all this? I could get behind lynching him too.
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Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
March 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#1099
Gonna throw my vote on Kei, even though I'm probably dead.
Enjoy your day.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
March 27 2013 20:18 GMT
#1100
On March 28 2013 05:16 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 05:13 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:

Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.

Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?

It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.

My town read on you = gone.


Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum??

You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure?


I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.

It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.

@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.


Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it.

Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up.

While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes.

And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.



Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused


Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play?


As town, Nisani generally uses very logical analysis to determine who is scum and will stay confident on said player. As scum, Nisani is unsure and just tries to win favor of the town without being too aggressive, which is what he has done in this game.

ok you're scum
Enjoy your day.
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