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I would say that this is a very valid point.
It's partly why I'm very interested in hearing what Nisani has to say about sinani.
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Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.
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Duh. It's not like I'm talking out of my ass this time.
I think.
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On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER.
I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell?
I was on Grack for the first 24 hours.
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On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.
Very little of my Sinani case is meta. It's based off of his lack of contribution and the incredibly scummy timing and circumstances around the lone contribution in his filter (AND he soft-pushed prplhz while doing so).
The only meta point I bring up is pretty infalliable IMO:
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On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure?
I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1.
It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched.
@Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.
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Anyway gotta step out for an hour, be back soon.
Kei is an active player, and should be given tomorrow to explain himself. I am not convinced he's scum. Yes he sheeped on prplhz. No I don't think htat's conclusive yet given his activity this game compared with his terrible scum-game in Duel Mini.
There's more than enough evidence to see Sinani hang right now.
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On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER. I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell? I was on Grack for the first 24 hours.
Is that the only thing you can say??
What about marv's 'concerns'?
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On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani.
I was laughing it off. Because your points WERE completely unfounded and terribly reasoned.
Your "case" boiled down to "Keir isn't playing day 1 like he did in Hydra". I literally had a total of like 15 posts in day 1 in Hydra; half of those were spam, and half were getting into an argument with mocsta defending marv/myself.
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On March 28 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER. I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell? I was on Grack for the first 24 hours. Is that the only thing you can say?? What about marv's 'concerns'?
I already replied to marv.
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there's plenty of time for marv to push his lynch.
I had keirathi red-ish early on but at some point I swapped my read on him. I did not note down why I did it.
It's tempting to just roll with it, as I'm pretty uncertain myself. I will be back soon to think more.
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On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas.
Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it.
Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up.
While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes.
And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.
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We have 56 minutes left and Nisani has 8 votes. It's too late for any other wagon besides Sinani and perhaps prp.
The timing of this Kei stuff is either stupid or scummy. I'm going with scummy because I know Marv isn't stupid. It's a power play to save Nisani. I'm not buying it.
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On March 28 2013 05:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
We have 56 minutes left and Nisani has 8 votes. It's too late for any other wagon besides Sinani and perhaps prp.
The timing of this Kei stuff is either stupid or scummy. I'm going with scummy because I know Marv isn't stupid. It's a power play to save Nisani. I'm not buying it.
How long does it take you to vote?
Also wtf is your read on Keirathi?
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Fuck it, Hapa. I don't have time to reply properly, but your case is terrible.
You give absolutely atrocious meta reasons for Nisani being town, by showing how he is playing the same as his town games. Guess what, he is playing the same style as his scum games too, because that's the way he rolls.
What I did was show how his play was anti-town... not similar to how he plays as scum, but actually anti-town. THAT is why Nisani is scum this game, not some horrid meta argument.
You then use your absolutely terrible confirmation bias to say that because Nisani is town, Sinani is scum, because he didn't see the meta argument. Fucking /facepalm.
So yeah. Nisani is scum. Lynch him. Don't care about the rest.
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On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.
You want me to sheep you? I can. You've got me here before I've had any coffee. Just say the word man. I need to get that coffee going...
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On March 28 2013 05:05 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 05:00 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:52 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi And why do YOU think I am scum. Sheeping marv is not a "reason". Give me a reason. Why the fixation for reasons? Basically cause you pushed prp for almost the whole of day 1, really hard, shutting down everyone who defended him then after like 3 posts from prp, and town sentiment shifting, you give up. What. Also the most important point, clearly, is that you have a 3 page filter. A 3 PAGE FILTER. I pushed prplhz for the whole of day 1? What the hell? I was on Grack for the first 24 hours. Is that the only thing you can say?? What about marv's 'concerns'? I already replied to marv.
By saying nothing incriminating and being all nice, same with mine. Kinda, by objecting to a non-relevant part of my reasoning.
Where is the post with your reads that you were promising?
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On March 28 2013 05:05 Palmar wrote:
there's plenty of time for marv to push his lynch.
I had keirathi red-ish early on but at some point I swapped my read on him. I did not note down why I did it.
It's tempting to just roll with it, as I'm pretty uncertain myself. I will be back soon to think more.
I'll tell you why you did it; you did it because you thought Keirathi was defending prplhz at the start of the game, and went on to attack him later, and you found that somewhat of a towntell. An incorrect one in my opinion as Keirathi was merely attacking the bad case on prplhz.
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In the OP, it says that the deadline is in 53 minutes. However, it also says that the deadline is at 7:00 KST, which is in an 1 hour and 53 minutes. Which one is right?
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On March 28 2013 05:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
We have 56 minutes left and Nisani has 8 votes. It's too late for any other wagon besides Sinani and perhaps prp.
The timing of this Kei stuff is either stupid or scummy. I'm going with scummy because I know Marv isn't stupid. It's a power play to save Nisani. I'm not buying it.
We have almost 2 hours left, your timing is wrong
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