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On April 03 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Keir recorded his thoughts on the matter and I agree. I think that Prp is town, 1. Messy claims = town 2. he is way more active and looks like he fucking cares about the game So whats the problem here? Ima throw the question back to you Which claims do you think are fake and why?
Did you read anything I posted in the last 30 minutes?
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On April 03 2013 01:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think prp's one sounds horrendous, but the way he claimed and the way he posted around now, makes me think he is town.
SnB's claim is probably the least verifiable(medic role claims), but he did get a save, so its really strong
Marv got 'green checked'(not really),
Out of all the 'claims' I wanna lynch marv.
I dont think any are fake at this point no. You seemed pretty adamant I was town during the first half of the game. Now I've been setup checked as town and you think I'm mafia. Why the change in stance?
1. You want to lynch me
2. You havent pushed a lynch since day 1, = typical scum activity dropoff
3. We dont even know the specifics of OO's role.
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On April 03 2013 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Keir recorded his thoughts on the matter and I agree. I think that Prp is town, 1. Messy claims = town 2. he is way more active and looks like he fucking cares about the game So whats the problem here? Ima throw the question back to you Which claims do you think are fake and why? Did you read anything I posted in the last 30 minutes?
You didnt propose a lynch target.
I want you to propose a lynch target. Is it so hard?
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On April 03 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Keir recorded his thoughts on the matter and I agree. I think that Prp is town, 1. Messy claims = town 2. he is way more active and looks like he fucking cares about the game So whats the problem here? Ima throw the question back to you Which claims do you think are fake and why? Did you read anything I posted in the last 30 minutes? You didnt propose a lynch target. I want you to propose a lynch target. Is it so hard?
Did you read anything I posted in the last 30 minutes? Surely you can infer who I want to lynch after Sinani.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv looks fine of late. If he was somehow scum, I kinda doubt he'd put this much effort into the game right now. At the very least, he's not a candidate for killing any time soon. And if he's somehow scum, I'll blame the host, cause OO's stuff would be pretty BS.
If there's any blue-claim that's fake based on behavior, it's probably SnB's. Though I have a really hard time figuring out how I received a "you got shot and healed" message if he's not indeed a 1-shot doctor. One explanation is that he's a role that can send a message to players via host... but that's a stretch.
On April 03 2013 00:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Admittedly it is boring as fuck to have two decided lynches. Especially when people haven't PM'd Kurumi about making this instant-majority. On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. On April 03 2013 00:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. So what do you want to do between now and when sinani gets lynched? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying that you whining about this whole thing is annoying. Most of your recent filter is just you bitching about things, crying "woe is me" about who the 4th scum is, and telling us that Rayn is town. Hell I'm not even sure if you're scumhunting right now. You seem very bitter about the whole blue-claim situation, and you're asking questions about the blue claims... Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. Yeah Told you all the blue claims were annoying. Lets talk about marv shall we? Other than OO's statement, does this look like town marv? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:19 prplhz wrote:
bah
rayn should hit snb tonight lol why? who do you want him to hit? I still want to know why SnB btw. ...but not once have I seen in your filter your own conclusions about this. Which ones do you think are fake? And why? On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little.
Dude. The only thing that talks about lynching anyone is the first post. And that is speculation about SnB and I concluded that you think that SnB is town.
Read your past 30 minutes and point out the part where it says.
'I want to lynch x player'
Thank you for your continued corporation
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On April 03 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:04 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think prp's one sounds horrendous, but the way he claimed and the way he posted around now, makes me think he is town.
SnB's claim is probably the least verifiable(medic role claims), but he did get a save, so its really strong
Marv got 'green checked'(not really),
Out of all the 'claims' I wanna lynch marv.
I dont think any are fake at this point no. You seemed pretty adamant I was town during the first half of the game. Now I've been setup checked as town and you think I'm mafia. Why the change in stance? 1. You want to lynch me2. You havent pushed a lynch since day 1, = typical scum activity dropoff 3. We dont even know the specifics of OO's role.
Taking aside how ridiculous #2 and #3 are, if you assume I'm town, who should I want to lynch?
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On April 03 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv looks fine of late. If he was somehow scum, I kinda doubt he'd put this much effort into the game right now. At the very least, he's not a candidate for killing any time soon. And if he's somehow scum, I'll blame the host, cause OO's stuff would be pretty BS.
If there's any blue-claim that's fake based on behavior, it's probably SnB's. Though I have a really hard time figuring out how I received a "you got shot and healed" message if he's not indeed a 1-shot doctor. One explanation is that he's a role that can send a message to players via host... but that's a stretch.
On April 03 2013 00:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Admittedly it is boring as fuck to have two decided lynches. Especially when people haven't PM'd Kurumi about making this instant-majority. On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. On April 03 2013 00:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. So what do you want to do between now and when sinani gets lynched? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying that you whining about this whole thing is annoying. Most of your recent filter is just you bitching about things, crying "woe is me" about who the 4th scum is, and telling us that Rayn is town. Hell I'm not even sure if you're scumhunting right now. You seem very bitter about the whole blue-claim situation, and you're asking questions about the blue claims... Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. Yeah Told you all the blue claims were annoying. Lets talk about marv shall we? Other than OO's statement, does this look like town marv? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:19 prplhz wrote:
bah
rayn should hit snb tonight lol why? who do you want him to hit? I still want to know why SnB btw. ...but not once have I seen in your filter your own conclusions about this. Which ones do you think are fake? And why? On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Dude. The only thing that talks about lynching anyone is the first post. And that is speculation about SnB and I concluded that you think that SnB is town. Read your past 30 minutes and point out the part where it says. 'I want to lynch x player' Thank you for your continued corporation
You'll have to live in suspense then.
But anyway, are you insinuating that I'm scum? Because up until I told you that you should be looking at me, you've been treating me as confirmed town.
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On April 03 2013 01:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv looks fine of late. If he was somehow scum, I kinda doubt he'd put this much effort into the game right now. At the very least, he's not a candidate for killing any time soon. And if he's somehow scum, I'll blame the host, cause OO's stuff would be pretty BS.
If there's any blue-claim that's fake based on behavior, it's probably SnB's. Though I have a really hard time figuring out how I received a "you got shot and healed" message if he's not indeed a 1-shot doctor. One explanation is that he's a role that can send a message to players via host... but that's a stretch.
On April 03 2013 00:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Admittedly it is boring as fuck to have two decided lynches. Especially when people haven't PM'd Kurumi about making this instant-majority. On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. On April 03 2013 00:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. So what do you want to do between now and when sinani gets lynched? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying that you whining about this whole thing is annoying. Most of your recent filter is just you bitching about things, crying "woe is me" about who the 4th scum is, and telling us that Rayn is town. Hell I'm not even sure if you're scumhunting right now. You seem very bitter about the whole blue-claim situation, and you're asking questions about the blue claims... Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. Yeah Told you all the blue claims were annoying. Lets talk about marv shall we? Other than OO's statement, does this look like town marv? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:19 prplhz wrote:
bah
rayn should hit snb tonight lol why? who do you want him to hit? I still want to know why SnB btw. ...but not once have I seen in your filter your own conclusions about this. Which ones do you think are fake? And why? On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Dude. The only thing that talks about lynching anyone is the first post. And that is speculation about SnB and I concluded that you think that SnB is town. Read your past 30 minutes and point out the part where it says. 'I want to lynch x player' Thank you for your continued corporation You'll have to live in suspense then. But anyway, are you insinuating that I'm scum? Because up until I told you that you should be looking at me, you've been treating me as confirmed town.
No.
I want to know who you want to lynch.
Just say you are sorry for bitching at me for no reason and its all fine
On April 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 01:04 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think prp's one sounds horrendous, but the way he claimed and the way he posted around now, makes me think he is town.
SnB's claim is probably the least verifiable(medic role claims), but he did get a save, so its really strong
Marv got 'green checked'(not really),
Out of all the 'claims' I wanna lynch marv.
I dont think any are fake at this point no. You seemed pretty adamant I was town during the first half of the game. Now I've been setup checked as town and you think I'm mafia. Why the change in stance? 1. You want to lynch me2. You havent pushed a lynch since day 1, = typical scum activity dropoff 3. We dont even know the specifics of OO's role. Taking aside how ridiculous #2 and #3 are, if you assume I'm town, who should I want to lynch?
You should want to lynch scum of course.
And not me cause Im town.
I want you to use your gosu mafia skillz and find the last remaining scum.
THANKS DUDE.
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So if I'm town and you're town, Oats, then who is mafia?
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On April 03 2013 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
So if I'm town and you're town, Oats, then who is mafia?
I dont think you are town.
I was assuming you are town.
???
maybe there are only 3 scum and kurumi is fucking with us.
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On April 03 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:19 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv looks fine of late. If he was somehow scum, I kinda doubt he'd put this much effort into the game right now. At the very least, he's not a candidate for killing any time soon. And if he's somehow scum, I'll blame the host, cause OO's stuff would be pretty BS.
If there's any blue-claim that's fake based on behavior, it's probably SnB's. Though I have a really hard time figuring out how I received a "you got shot and healed" message if he's not indeed a 1-shot doctor. One explanation is that he's a role that can send a message to players via host... but that's a stretch.
On April 03 2013 00:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Admittedly it is boring as fuck to have two decided lynches. Especially when people haven't PM'd Kurumi about making this instant-majority. On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. On April 03 2013 00:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. So what do you want to do between now and when sinani gets lynched? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying that you whining about this whole thing is annoying. Most of your recent filter is just you bitching about things, crying "woe is me" about who the 4th scum is, and telling us that Rayn is town. Hell I'm not even sure if you're scumhunting right now. You seem very bitter about the whole blue-claim situation, and you're asking questions about the blue claims... Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. Yeah Told you all the blue claims were annoying. Lets talk about marv shall we? Other than OO's statement, does this look like town marv? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:19 prplhz wrote:
bah
rayn should hit snb tonight lol why? who do you want him to hit? I still want to know why SnB btw. ...but not once have I seen in your filter your own conclusions about this. Which ones do you think are fake? And why? On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Dude. The only thing that talks about lynching anyone is the first post. And that is speculation about SnB and I concluded that you think that SnB is town. Read your past 30 minutes and point out the part where it says. 'I want to lynch x player' Thank you for your continued corporation You'll have to live in suspense then. But anyway, are you insinuating that I'm scum? Because up until I told you that you should be looking at me, you've been treating me as confirmed town. No. I want to know who you want to lynch. Just say you are sorry for bitching at me for no reason and its all fine
I don't understand the objective purpose of the question. You're treating me as confirmed town... so what's the point? I think it's reasonably clear who I think mafia are, but since you don't want to inquire into my filter about it, I'd prefer to keep things close to the vest and let others talk about it.
And what does me saying sorry about calling you "bitchy" have to do anything with the question you're asking.
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I'm the most confirmed town in the game, but ok.
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God this day needs to end. Whoever are the retards who didn't PM Kurumi to make today instant-majority, you better do it tomorrow.
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On April 03 2013 01:26 Hapahauli wrote:
God this day needs to end. Whoever are the retards who didn't PM Kurumi to make today instant-majority, you better do it tomorrow.
Don't call people retards :/
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On April 03 2013 01:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 01:19 Hapahauli wrote:On April 03 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2013 00:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Marv looks fine of late. If he was somehow scum, I kinda doubt he'd put this much effort into the game right now. At the very least, he's not a candidate for killing any time soon. And if he's somehow scum, I'll blame the host, cause OO's stuff would be pretty BS.
If there's any blue-claim that's fake based on behavior, it's probably SnB's. Though I have a really hard time figuring out how I received a "you got shot and healed" message if he's not indeed a 1-shot doctor. One explanation is that he's a role that can send a message to players via host... but that's a stretch.
On April 03 2013 00:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Admittedly it is boring as fuck to have two decided lynches. Especially when people haven't PM'd Kurumi about making this instant-majority. On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. On April 03 2013 00:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop whining Oats. We have two lynches before you're on the itinerary. So what do you want to do between now and when sinani gets lynched? Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm just saying that you whining about this whole thing is annoying. Most of your recent filter is just you bitching about things, crying "woe is me" about who the 4th scum is, and telling us that Rayn is town. Hell I'm not even sure if you're scumhunting right now. You seem very bitter about the whole blue-claim situation, and you're asking questions about the blue claims... Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Man what a weird game. I'm having such a hard time putting 4 mafia together. Sinani's the only guy past Yamato that I'm reasonably sure is scum.
Maybe a traitor role? hmmm. Yeah Told you all the blue claims were annoying. Lets talk about marv shall we? Other than OO's statement, does this look like town marv? Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2013 00:19 prplhz wrote:
bah
rayn should hit snb tonight lol why? who do you want him to hit? I still want to know why SnB btw. ...but not once have I seen in your filter your own conclusions about this. Which ones do you think are fake? And why? On April 03 2013 01:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Oats, if you think all the claims are true, I'm surprised you're looking at prplhz and myself so little. Dude. The only thing that talks about lynching anyone is the first post. And that is speculation about SnB and I concluded that you think that SnB is town. Read your past 30 minutes and point out the part where it says. 'I want to lynch x player' Thank you for your continued corporation You'll have to live in suspense then. But anyway, are you insinuating that I'm scum? Because up until I told you that you should be looking at me, you've been treating me as confirmed town. No. I want to know who you want to lynch. Just say you are sorry for bitching at me for no reason and its all fine I don't understand the objective purpose of the question. You're treating me as confirmed town... so what's the point? I think it's reasonably clear who I think mafia are, but since you don't want to inquire into my filter about it, I'd prefer to keep things close to the vest and let others talk about it. And what does me saying sorry about calling you "bitchy" have to do anything with the question you're asking.
There is absolutely nothing in your filter in the past 30 minutes(now an hour) that points to whoever you want to lynch.
So you basically acted like a dick and I want to get apologies and shit so I can has big egoz.
The objective purpose is to share your reads so we dont go into day 5. OH SHIT WHO DO YOU LYNCH AHHHHHHHH.
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On April 03 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 03 2013 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets put it this way.
He couldve shot cora and keir and SnB and no one would know. OP scum role? OP scum role.
I cant remember that role in Chrono trigger.
Acro's role was 1 shot. Also 2 mafia roles that give a total of like 5 kp at least + Factional KP is just a bit too overpowered if rayn doesnt get lynched
But he shot acro.
Why? Cause he aint scum bro What makes you think i could shoot SnB? I thought he was in Mason circle with you acro grack?? I guess not.
No it was/is Hapa.
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What a hells, I wake up to 100+ posts :o
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I'm willing to contribute more after tha flip because Smurf's role tells us more specifics about the setup.
It's interesting that by Acro is the only scum role that has used his power (assuming scum do not have doctor or something that works for them rather than towards town). Assuming me and prplhz are both town that's pretty imbalanced (2 vigis for the town - i don't care who they can shoot, they still can), and one role for scum and not even a roleblocker, when town has 1-shot roleblocker, 1-shot medic, fuckton of masons, the setup guy and 1 conditional-vigi and a guy who can make vanillas vigi???
That's why i also want prplhz to prove his power by giving a gun to someone who is vanilla and is town! The above paragraph sounds pretty impossible if Oats/sinani are not lying about being vanilla. Apparently Smurf is vanilla because prplhz is fucked if he is not.
I don't believe marv is mafia because OO would have had majorly fucked up reading his N1 results somehow. There is no reason for him to lie, and he basically called marv confirmed town. I can't believe Hapa would have faked being shot on N1. If SnB was lying about protecting him, he would have been outed. I also don't think SnB & Hapa would do this kinda play together, they both should be mafia and that does not makes sense because sinani was the one roleblocked and if Hapa&SnB were scum sinani would have to be town (assuming ofc Smurf flips scum). It just does not make sense for them to not hit anyone when they could kill confirmed person/people.
That leaves Oats/sinani/prplhz and 2 mafia in them. If Smurf flips anything but vanilla, prplhz is mafia. If Smurf flips vanilla scum, i still think scum have one more role in them. If Smurf somehow does not flip, i bet they are mafia with prplhz because the "safe" play just turned into +1 scum KP or prplhz is lying about his role.
Atm for me the most likely scenario is that Smurf + sinani + Oats are mafia. Depends a lot from Smurf flip and what happens during night how to proceed.
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marv you should have let me lynch Oats solely based on this:
On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats.
On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf.
On March 26 2013 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-readings.
Meta screwed it up again. :/
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i'm with the finn
hey raynpelikoneet don't you think that "Hapahauli" sounds finnish?
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