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Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:20 GMT

#2104

On March 31 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
... the vote-rigger can a) make a double lynch and b) completely change the results of a double lynch?

what is this bullshit?

I think Palmar made the double lynch, no Acro.

But yes, still extremely imba.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:23 GMT

#2107

That's a little better.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:28 GMT

#2110

On March 31 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
If sinani isn't mafia then Oats or prplhz are mafia and I don't get that very much. There's one thing I have to look into with Oats tomorrow to check how I'm feeling.

I'm thinking Smurf + prplhz + rayn tbh.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:30 GMT

#2112

On March 31 2013 07:28 marvellosity wrote:

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You really think Smurf hard-defended a mafia prplhz on meta?

Yes. 1) It's yamato (supposedly). And 2) Look, you're calling him town now. It obviously served his purpose.

You think its more likely that scum Acro called out his scum buddy for no reason? :o

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:36 GMT

#2116

On March 31 2013 07:31 marvellosity wrote:

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yes, I do think that's more likely.

It's so far out of my zone that I would ever falsely hard-defend someone, with passion like that. Calling out a mafia team-mate is fucking easy by comparison, imo.

I disagree, but whatever. It may not even be important.

d1 12/4 (Lynch town)
n1 11/4 (scum shoot town, KP blocked)
d2 10/4 (lynch 2 townies)
n2 8/4 (town vig shoots scum, scum shoots 2 townies)
d3 6/3 (lynch scum)
n3 6/2 (scum shoots 1 townie)
d4 5/2

At which point we have a mislynch to give. Can lynch all 3 of them,

(Disclaimer: this is assuming 4 scum and KP = #mafia/2 rounded up)

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:38 GMT

#2118

Hmm, okay decent point about Oats, Hapa.

I'll go back through his filter sometime tonight and think about him some more. I had basically just written him off as townie because of his day 1 play.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 22:46 GMT

#2124

On March 31 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:

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Have you ever hard-defended a team-mate over the course of literally 15 posts? On meta? Can you even envisage it? I'm seriously struggling to.

Obviously you know that I haven't since I've only played scum twice and you were in both of those games

My problem with his hard defense was just that he was almost solely nitpicking at Hapa and I about wording and specifics. And some of his points were just so blatantly wrong.

Blehhhh, I'll think about it some more.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 23:12 GMT

#2135

On March 31 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote:

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Oh yeah lol, I can't read.

It's ok because I have a town read on Kei. I just can't put my finger on it...

What are you even talking about? :o

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 23:15 GMT

#2136

Also, I just realized my math was off. At the start of day 2 we were down 3 townies, not 2 (I forgot about the Grack kill).

So yea, ignore that post.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 23:29 GMT

#2144

Something interesting in the logs:

From Acro -
"Reread the Sinani exchange and you're right. I don't like his reaction at all. He is very cagey about the whole thing. Problem with Sinani is that he always looks like scum to me. I haven't yet played or read a game in which I thought he was town."

Then why did he later say "I had a quick look at Sinani's town meta (think I only ever played with him as scum) and he seems more useful."

Hmmmm.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 30 2013 23:42 GMT

#2152

"So in closing, tomorrow we should focus on Smurf and Sinani.If they both suddenly prove they're townie, then OO and probably Marv," is particularly interesting, with OO flipping town and clearing marv (for all intents and purposes, although we don't exactly what it is that he knew).

I just find it extremely hard to believe that he puts 2 teammates and 2 townies in his list, but neither of the townies are the ones he actually wants to push.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 02:58 GMT

#2204

On March 31 2013 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway Rayn, I'm still curious about a lot of things behind that vigi mechanic.

Particularly
1) Why didn't you shoot Acro before the lynch deadline?
2) Why didn't you shoot Smurf at any point?

An even better question:

On March 31 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
can we just kill prplhz and OO?

How do you propose to kill someone that is already dead?

(AKA, why are you not reading the thread?)

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 06:47 GMT

#2212

On March 31 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

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Cause for once I dont have a blue role

QQ

Prp is town, he is not the most helpful town but he has been involved in the lynches.

Im honestly not sure about sinani, his behaviour at the end of the Nisani lynch was town I think, he was so confident. And nisani was town. Its basically a 1 for 1 deal, and no scum would do it.
He couldve give a noncommittal answer, or a town read and Nisani wouldve gotten lynched anyway with marv and palmar? behind it.

So therefore,
Either marv is scum, or keirathi and cora are fakeclaiming.

If rayn flips scum, we need to take a REALLY CLOSE look at them.

You forgetting about Smurf, bro?

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 06:52 GMT

#2213

EBWOP: Also, OO (the now confirmed town), told us that marv was town, and to trust him but his role wouldn't let him tell us why. Then he flipped, and his role PM had a clause about not being able to share things with the thread. Very, very likely that marv is town.

You keeping me in the list doesn't even make sense though. Acro flipped scum. You were voting Smurf yesterday. Now you think rayn is scum, and if he does flip scum, that town should look into me and Cora. That would be 5 scum. In a 16 player game. No.

Come up with a straight story this time, k?

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 07:06 GMT

#2216

On March 31 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp is town,

On March 31 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im honestly not sure about sinani

On March 31 2013 15:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
THEREFORE we lynch smurf, then we lynch rayn, then we lynch prp, then we lynch sinani, then we lynch marv and win.

How does it make sense to lynch the person you think is town BEFORE you lynch the person you are unsure about? :OOO

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 14:58 GMT

#2221

On March 31 2013 21:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I'll talk about this postgame, but this was the worst game ever to try to smurf in.

Aw. Not even an attempt to keep trying

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 15:27 GMT

#2223

On April 01 2013 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come on Keir, talk to me, im bored.

You first.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 15:47 GMT

#2225

On March 31 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
My point is that Acro sacrificed himself to kill 2 townies and save 1 scum and 1 possible scum.
His role said he could affect 1 lynch right? But that was 2 lynches.

He obviously effected both lynches. Not sure where you're going with this. And how did he "sacrifice" himself, exactly? His role didn't say anything about sacrificing himself, but obviously he knew that if he used his power it would be considered a scum-claim. In that sense, yes he did sacrifice himself.

On March 31 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, what do you and keir think about his reaction/posting after the kill?

'His', who?

On March 31 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Marv could have some kind of GF role.

OO's role said that he would be given information about the setup. We don't have any idea what information that is, but I find it hard to believe that he was told that marv was town when marv is actually GF. Sense, it makes none.

On March 31 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Again thats why I suggested the order.

By process of elimination ok,
Sinani is the least scummy out of the 3
Marv is the least likely
I just think that prp is town.

So thats why I suggested the order.

So you think they are all town, and it's really just a random order?

Well, okay. But the rest of the game is (probably) in LYLO. There are no mislynches to give. Give me your best reasoning on which of them is scum.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 15:58 GMT

#2227

How is it fake, though?

Someone had to shoot Acro. No one else is claiming the shot.

Unless you mean that scum rayn shot scum Acro. Which is possible, but I don't think its very likely for most people. I'm not sure if rayn has the balls for it, though. Maybe he does.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 31 2013 16:01 GMT

#2228

Anyways, I know what you're getting at. That there was some hidden mechanic that killed Acro, and rayn just claimed it and is riding the town cred from the kill.

But I highly doubt that. Nothing about Acro's role suggested that he would die for using his powers, and I've never seen anything in any game ever that would make someone randomly explode like that aside from a vig kill. Pretty damn likely that rayn is a vig. Town or scum is less certain, but town is the higher probability choice.

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