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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. Wrong. If you are town, you have people you think are mafia. If someone you think is mafia claims blue, and someone you think isn't mafia claims blue, it is entirely possible and reasonable, to say that you don't think it's possible both blue claims are true. Also: at this point, with 5 players and the votes being 3/2, both mafia have to be voting with each other, unless at only FIVE players left, "Town's" two lynch candidates are both town - in which case we have already lost. I know I'm town, so from my perspective I'm either voting with 2 town, or 2 scum. You and JarJar are defending each other, Rainbows and TRN are defending each other, and out of everyone left I think JarJar is the scummiest, CLAIMS ASIDE. Add in the fact I think his claim is fake, or if it's real then lol nice medic prot targets and play, then it's a no brainer for me. If i'm wrong, then i'm wrong and can accept that, considering I've been absent for some (most) of the game. But I just don't believe him. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:56 TheRavensName wrote: It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong.I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 30 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: The game blew up on your face already. That's why Rainbows had to fakeclaim. There was no way anyone besides you/Rainbows was gonna get lynched on D3 without the claim and when you flip red it would confim the other one red. I like how day 3 has turned into a shouting match as opposed to an evidence hunt Ray. Hell day 2 was that way too. See when your evidence on a case is just screaming the same thing over and over and over again, its time to move onto another case. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true? I've read plenty of mafia games on this site, and more often than not cop checks are done to confirm town, especially in smaller games. Infact they're often used to check null reads, and a lot of people were on TRN's back at the start of the game but he survived the day, so I can believe he was checked. Also i was completely null due to not being around. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 30 2013 00:19 JarJarDrinks wrote: It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of. No a cop's job is that of a cops in the real world. To prove GUILT or INNOCENCE. You should be able to do both for the reasons I stated, if your only going after the guilty then your stupid. You have to prove innocence just as much as guilt. This tells me you don't know how to play a cop, and makes me very glad you didn't roll it. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 29 2013 08:21 JarJarDrinks wrote: What about if Raven is the GF? How come that's not a possibility? Virtu, the reason he said that you might be the GF is he left himself an out just in case you counterclaimed Ron. There's absolutely no reason for that sentence not to be: "There is only one flaw in my logic... if virtu or Raven is the GF..." Why would he suggest that you could be GF and not Raven? The only answer that makes sense is that he listed you, me and Ray as the possible scums because if one of us counterclaimed him, he could just say "Well that person must be scum". | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 30 2013 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: I mean, how is that not a slam dunk? What other reason could he have for suggesting that you could be the godfather but not suggesting that Raven could? Because Virtu being GF makes more sense, he has lurked the entire game and claimed rb the entire night, which makes it unlikely there is a RBer and a GF, so him faking makes more sense. Also, I think I've demonstrated quite clearly the play of a townie trying to keep you guys from myslynching me. On a side note I want to ask you a question jarjar: Lets say your the cop. Would you only check me and rainbows? You would just... blindly assume that Ray is a townie because hes been trying to get me killed and protected you? When you have the power to check him, and make sure hes not setting you up to take the fall with him if he gets lynched? | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 30 2013 00:19 JarJarDrinks wrote: It's my first game on TL. I've played a bit elsewhere but the roles were very different. But I am capable of reading and the cop role here is to catch bad guys. If a cop investigates someone and expects them to flip green then he's playing it wrong. @Virtu like I said, you may think I played bad as a townie. But (assuming you're the townie) the game is going to be decided by you. And believing Rainbows cop claim is just so much worse than bad play you can accuse me of. Believing your claim would be easier if anything you've done this game made sense, if Rainbows is mafia and you're blue then my believing him only stems from the way you claimed, your terrible prot targets, and your wishywashy voting D2. there's NO excuse for voting for 4 different people in a game with a MAXIMUM of 3 mafia and likely two. On March 13 2013 05:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, from what I can tell, a smurf is an alt account. I can assure you, I just opened my first account a few minutes ago. I've only ever lurked. You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. K. On March 22 2013 12:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: Hey all, Don't worry I wont lurk @ all once the game starts rolling. Being how I've never played against any of y'all I have nothing to base any read off so I probably wont throw down a vote untill everyone's posted a bit. "Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below ..."like this". Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote. On March 23 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: So while I'm still suspicious of Raven. I don't think he looks as scummy as Frorgon does. ##Unvote: TheRavensName ##Vote: Frorgon You're still suspicious of him, you make sure to tell us that, at the same time you take your vote off him. On March 25 2013 02:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: Ray, I think I've been on the same page as you most of this game. But I have to disagree with you on this one. I was online @ the deadline and could have switched to Krafla. But giving him a free pass from day 1 wasn't a concern of mine. I voted Frorgon because I thought he was the most likely to be scum. And while Kraflas one post was pretty terrible, it wasn't enough to give me a scum read. @ least nowhere near the read I had Frogorn. When you voted for Krafla, was it because you thought he was the most likely person to be scum? This feels forced to me, the way you say the bolded part just looks like a carefully constructed bit of scum posting about another scum. On March 25 2013 03:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: As I said already, I didn't vote for him because I thought Frogorn was more likely to be scum. I can't tell you exactly what I'm willing to do @ the end of day 2. If Krafla doesn't contribute again than he's certainly someone I'm gonna suspect. But if I have a better scum read on someone, than that's where my vote is going. On March 26 2013 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yeah, I guess it seems like he wasn't as likely to be lynched as I remember. So that does put a hole in some of my reasoning. Actually we're waiting on anything from virtu. He was supposed to post in 5 hours like a day ago. I don't think we can let him continue to ignore this thread. If he's town, he done nothing to even appear as if he's trying to help. So based on those 2 things, I'm gonna: ##Unvote ##Vote: virtu So from these two quotes, firstly you say that if krafla doesn't stop lurking soonish you're going to be suspicious of him. You then post a chummy agree with ray post for like the 5th time in the game, being as friendly with him as Rainbows is with TRN, finally when Krafla DOES eventually post, all he does is conveniently highlight the fact that I haven't posted for almost the whole day, which convinces you to switch your vote to me. I guess your heart just wasn't in your last vote then was it? On March 27 2013 09:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Krafla Pretty sure Krafla just outed himself here. Another vote switch, for a stupid reason. Townies would never say if X flips green then Y? Well, actually, they do it all the time. The frequency with which people flip green that another town member is "100% Certain no way in hell he's flipping green" happens, you have to prepare for this inevitability. Also this puts your vote onto the third person of the evening, with 3 on NW and 2 on TRN, but your vote is still on the fence. You're going to do some more investiagative work surely... On March 27 2013 09:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: TheRavensName But that still means NW gets lynched correct? Oh wait, no you're not. Rather than vote for one of the THREE people who have already been your mafia suspects for the day, you switch your vote to someone you have hardly mentioned all day. Not only that but you make sure to ask whether your vote will get him lynched or not due to the tie breaker. Is your heart not in that out-of-the-blue vote with no case or reasoning on person #4 for the day or what? Don't want to be responsible for it if he gets lynched and draw attention to yourself? I could go on but I mean, after your D1 and D2 how you can expect me to believe your blue claim over Rainbows, is just beyond my ability to reason. If you're town, I do NOT feel bad about voting for you today and losing town the game. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
your terrible prot targets Who do you think I should have targetted N1 and N2?You don't know what a smurf account is, you've only opened your account a few minutes before this game, but you're certain I'm a worse player than you for believing Rainbows claim over yours. Yep. I don't you'd need more than a basic understanding of how the game works to see that Rainbows claim was BS."Hey guys, I won't lurk once people do the work for me and i can sheep onto a lynch" ...continued below I'm sorry. Tell me again how not voting or posting for a week is the right way to play the game...."like this". Me too, great reasoning and case there. By the way - the ACTUAL reason you voted for him was becuase he thought you were scummy and voted for you, basically an OMGUS vote. Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 30 2013 02:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: Who do you think I should have targetted N1 and N2? Ray and then Krafia. Virtu was not in any danger because if nothing else there would be hope he was modkilled. Yep. I don't you'd need more than a basic understanding of how the game works to see that Rainbows claim was BS. I'm sorry. Tell me again how not voting or posting for a week is the right way to play the game. Ok, I guess I can't respond to you when you're just making stuff up that never happened. Like geez, it really sucks when people play the game and don't contribute for days on end, but you'd hope they actually read the thread. Like this is an outright lie. Raven never voted for me prior to my vote for him. In fact my vote for him was because he defended me. Please go back and reread the thread because its frustrating talking to someone that has no clue what actually happened in the game. So why isn't Ray suspicious when he was defending you? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 30 2013 02:27 TheRavensName wrote: Wait, are you saying that you agree w/ Virtu about my vote for you being an OMGUS vote or are you trying to bring the focus off of the fact that that's untrue?So why isn't Ray suspicious when he was defending you? But to humor you, point me to whatever post of Ray defending me you're referring to. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
##Vote: Rainbows | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Vote Count! Rainbows (3):Virtu, JarJarDrinks, Raynpelikoneet, JarJarDrinks (2): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Raynpelikoneet (0): Currently, Rainbows is set to be lynched! 5.5 hours until the deadline. Let me know if my counting spell was off. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On March 30 2013 03:48 virtu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rainbows Don't toy with them, thats just mean. Srsly we need all townies on scum or gg. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Special Notice! Day 3 will be ending 10 minutes early because I have to leave right after! The deadline is at 00:50 GMT (+00:00). Sorry for any inconvenience. | ||
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Rainbows
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Rainbows
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