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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 29 2013 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy. Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 29 2013 22:35 virtu wrote: Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb? For that to happen Rainbows/you/Raven had to be all town. I know i am town so that's impossible. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:14 virtu wrote: I've already explained it - Because I don't think both of them are town. Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:17 TheRavensName wrote: Well Jarjar, your so certain Ray is town but... have you ever considered maybe both claims ARE true? What if Virtu rolled GF and Ray rolled Mafia Roll blocker? What are your thoughts on Ray being a lier? He lurked pretty hard after the cop claim till you started to doubt it. That's pretty damn bad assumption right there. There is no way mafia has both GF and roleblocker. And if that was true why the fuck would we not use our roleblock and have the GF instead claim being roleblocked? That's like the stupidest thing to do when you can actually prevent roles from acting instead. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really, that's all the effort you are willing to put into this? What do you want me to do? Quote my own post? I've explained why I don't think JarJar is Town, and why I think his claim is fake. I'm reading through filters now to see the overall play of yourself, TRN, Rainbows. If i find something that convinces me I could be wrong and JarJar is really just a horrible town, I'll gladly consider rethinking my position. I don't think rainbows would go to all the trouble of tunneling me so hard for being afk just to try and get a mislynch, then fake a cop check town on me and start acting nice, when I know for a fact that I'm town. He also started hard defending TRN after his claimed check on him too. I don't think a mafia would hard defend another one so hard, so early in the game, makes far more sense for him to be wishy washy then bus him for town cred. If he has done all of the above, then all I can say is well played, because town hasn't been in control of this game anywhere near enough for me to be able to disprove it, especially at MyLo, and especially when I think JarJar is scum. You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's pretty damn bad assumption right there. There is no way mafia has both GF and roleblocker. And if that was true why the fuck would we not use our roleblock and have the GF instead claim being roleblocked? That's like the stupidest thing to do when you can actually prevent roles from acting instead. Heh, fair point. However, I don't think there is a godfather, or if there is it an't virtu. There is no reason for Virtu to fake being role blocked when hes gotten away with lurking and hasn't bread crumbed a power role for us or fake claimed it. I still find the cop case way better then the medic case. Krafia was the OBVIOUS hit last night, and considering Virtu afked the entire game hes easy to bandwagon onto as only coming back for red posts, he'd have been a much less useful save compared to Krafia, who had been active and there was some certainty that he would be here today, where as virtu thats a gamble that just happened to pay off. Also Jarjar, I don't like how you tried to pressure Krafia into revealing who he was going to go after during the night phase, points too much to trying to frame me by getting him to admit it, or getting too scared to risk him ending up voting for you. These reasons are why my vote is staying on you. | ||
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virtu
United Kingdom147 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:33 virtu wrote: EBWOP: For the record, I don't think TRN has been particularly townie looking either, but I feel I have no choice but to trust Rainbows claim over JarJar's. Either i'm right and ray/JarJar are scum, or i'm wrong and Rainbows/TRN are scum. It's as simple as that. You hurt my feelings Virtu. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You attempting to question me (by the way, all you've done all game is ask people questions, which at first glance looks quite useful, but a lot of what I'm reading looks like attempts to divert the conversation, distract etc), doesn't suddenly make Rainbows claim look fake and JarJar's real. It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's distracting only if you don't make conclusions from your questions. I think i have been clear to offer my thoughts after people have answered me - i mean, i ask question, they answer, i make conclusions from the answers and point them out in thread. My reason behind the question is this. If you are town you can easily come up with any possible scum combos assuming Rainbows/JarJar are both telling the truth and have a reasonable answer (if you think it's possible or not). If you are mafia it's much harder because you do not want to out your scumbuddy and you want to lynch a townie this phase and other players might see the flaws in your logic. That's what i was after. Now it's irrelevant becauase you dodged the question already and threw the ball back at me by discrediting my playstyle. Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time! | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On March 29 2013 22:18 virtu wrote: You're looking @ things through a vacuum. Read the entire day and see how things went down and you'll see how my votes made sense:JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia? I voted for NW after making what I thought was a decent case. The case kinda fell apart as the day went on cause it relied on 2 things: - that Fishgle was a likely lynch candidate for the day which Ray pointed out to me that the Fishgle suspicion mostly occured after the action deadline - that Ray and Rainbows were both town. As the day went on, Rainbows started looking scummier and scummier. So I moved off of NW and on to you. Surely you can't blame me there right? You hadn't voted/posted/done anything. And I wanted to get you to respond. So then w/ like an hour left in the day Krafla makes one of the scummier posts I've seen. After having his vote on raven for a while, he decides to listen to a raging Rainbows (who I'm already reading as scum @ this point) and change his vote to NW stating that if he flips town, he'll know who the scum team is. So then I switched to Raven @ the end of the day because thats where two votes were and I was pretty sure NW was town @ that point. I knew it was unlikely to do anything since it only tied it, but maybe someone would switch or maybe you'd show up last minute. Like I said, it was unlikely to help, but there was literally no reason not to switch @ that point. So maybe me switching my vote around around a bunch wasn't that great in hindsight. But it all made sense @ the time. And no matter what happened. Nothing makes Rainbows cop claim look legit whatsoever. Like I get that this is a noob game, but a cop investigating to confirm his town read is the dumbest thing imaginable. Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: You're looking @ things through a vacuum. Read the entire day and see how things went down and you'll see how my votes made sense: I voted for NW after making what I thought was a decent case. The case kinda fell apart as the day went on cause it relied on 2 things: - that Fishgle was a likely lynch candidate for the day which Ray pointed out to me that the Fishgle suspicion mostly occured after the action deadline - that Ray and Rainbows were both town. As the day went on, Rainbows started looking scummier and scummier. So I moved off of NW and on to you. Surely you can't blame me there right? You hadn't voted/posted/done anything. And I wanted to get you to respond. So then w/ like an hour left in the day Krafla makes one of the scummier posts I've seen. After having his vote on raven for a while, he decides to listen to a raging Rainbows (who I'm already reading as scum @ this point) and change his vote to NW stating that if he flips town, he'll know who the scum team is. So then I switched to Raven @ the end of the day because thats where two votes were and I was pretty sure NW was town @ that point. I knew it was unlikely to do anything since it only tied it, but maybe someone would switch or maybe you'd show up last minute. Like I said, it was unlikely to help, but there was literally no reason not to switch @ that point. So maybe me switching my vote around around a bunch wasn't that great in hindsight. But it all made sense @ the time. And no matter what happened. Nothing makes Rainbows cop claim look legit whatsoever. Like I get that this is a noob game, but a cop investigating to confirm his town read is the dumbest thing imaginable. Virtu, say I'm a bad townie all you want. But you're saying that you believe a cop would actually investigate to confirm town. How can you even consider that to be true? I don't understand why you talk like the way you do... your acting like you've been playing mafia for the longest time ever, this account is brand new. Cops always check the people alot of people say are scummy and they think are town, you don't want to get caught defending a guy who is a scum and you could have found out but chose not to. If nothing else, you need to do it so you can role claim to prevent a myslynch if its possible and pray that a medic of jailer will save you. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Vote Count! JarJarDrinks (3): Virtu, TheRavensName, Rainbows, Rainbows (2): Raynpelikoneet (0): Currently, JarJarDrinks is set to be lynched! 10 hours until the deadline. Let me know if my counting spell was off. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:50 TheRavensName wrote: Because your play style has worked out so well so far... Lets Tunnel Raven and let some myslynches happen while I push another myslynch cause I don't think you should scum hunt more then one person at a time! I can't lynch more than one scum in a day and you have been obv-scum from the beginning. There is no reason for me to vote for anyone else. And saying i have not been fighting against the other lynches is just bullshit. I have been very clearly trying to lynch you from D1 because you are scum, and besides that i have trying to figure out who is another person who is mafia. I found that out today. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 29 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't lynch more than one scum in a day and you have been obv-scum from the beginning. There is no reason for me to vote for anyone else. And saying i have not been fighting against the other lynches is just bullshit. I have been very clearly trying to lynch you from D1 because you are scum, and besides that i have trying to figure out who is another person who is mafia. I found that out today. You have not. You've had tunnel vision this whole game. Go back and look at most your questions. Most of them involve asking people what they think of ME. You have made no effort to find anyone else who even MIGHT be scum. All you do is focus on me and pray to god that it works. Ray, you can't just focus on one person even if you can only lynch one. You have to change around, because focusing on one person, whether they are scum or not, makes you miss opportunities to confirm or deny other people on reasons other then their opinion of me, because when you turn up a myslynch of me... your hunting towards me was all useless, because all it tells you how many people bought your two day long case, and how many people thought it was stupid and were right. Its poor town play either way. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On March 30 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: You just called me town. :D No. I'm speaking to you as if you are town. My votes not on you anyways, its on Jarjar. If you are town, and you are right about rainbow's cop claim, I'm talking to you in a way I hope helps you next time you play mafia. Because, if rainbow's claim is a lie, which I have expressed some concerns about (which is way too risky this late in if I was on a mafia team with rainbows to risk blowing this up in our face when this is an all in gamble.), you need to know how you could have hunted better, maybe found out if rainbows was scum instead of just hoping I was. | ||
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