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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 15:12 GMT
#2893
Reads, with reasoning why:

TOWN
geript
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On March 18 2013 20:21 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 16:09 Wade Fell wrote:
:| at least with his dying hours he could have written some cases or given something to work off of. All he's left us with is:

an entirely wrongheaded attack on GK, and unexplained scumreads on WoS and Testsubject.

He's right on testsubject but never goes into detail. As a final token to Greymist I will take an analytical look at WoS before the end of the night though, and as usual you will have my general thoughts and cases before dawn.

I went to bed before I saw this, but this is absolute bullshit. First, BH does value going back through dead players filters to look at their points; hell he even said he'd read mine even after I martyred myself. The real BH is no newb who sheeps other dead vets. This isn't the tone of the "Fuck Yah, I'm king of the world" BH we got last game; this isn't cold, rational aggressive BH. This is scum. Never once that I can think of last game did BH so instantly attack players after a flip especially so worthlessly. There's literally no point to this post whatsoever other than trying to direct traffic. I was at work and got lost in the DP VE slugfest and didn't catch this point at the time:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
THe pressure on Blazing had nothing to do with goodkarma's alignment. It should be obvious that I was pressuring him on making a dead set town read based on weak meta so swiftly. Why? Because scum are likely to make town reads like that and town are not. I was asking BH incase there was something that I missed.

Dude's scum and I intend on giving Zare an extra day.


DoYouHas
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Posts well, I just wish he would post more today. Not as certain about DYH as I am about geript, because I think DYH could be doing more and he isn't.


Maybe Scum
WoS
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I don't fully trust my read on WoS either way -- there's been no real counterclaim to his DT power, and he's pressured BH somewhat, but that could also read as throwing softballs for BH to participate with. He's had multiple instances of possible scum slips (calling himself a newbie scum, knowing the number of scum remaining), and his claim was the most painful, laborious, awkward claim that I've ever seen. But someone mentioned that such a horrible claim couldn't have been scummy because scum would do it more carefully so as to look more legit -- but perhaps he was buying time so as to find a breadcrumb? I don't know about this guy, but I just don't like lynching an uncontested blue claim at MYLO/LYLO, whichever we're at.

glurio
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Super low contribution level -- couldn't see how anybody could see BH as scum, had a really abrupt unvote of WoS after WoS claimed without any real qualms at all (this after putting a case on WoS), voted Mocsta out of nowhere when everyone else was on Ace, pushed for both Wiggles and cosmicomics -- I could see him being scum, but I don't think there's a strong enough case for it on MYLO/LYLO day.

layabout
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On March 21 2013 00:53 layabout wrote:
Today we should kill BH(Wade Fell). It's extremely likely that the mirror exists and it likely one of the mirror and BH is scum. Given his unusual defense of GK I think it's quite likely that BH is scum!

##Vote Wade Fell

This is what makes me less sure about a layabout scum -- he actually pushed for a BH lynch, but it was out of nowhere and I don't quite follow the logic. What IS interesting here, though, is the fact that this is the first time that the mirror is mentioned. We now know that layabout was hooked with the mirror at this point, but the question becomes: why does layabout want others to think that BH is the mirror? Did layabout know somehow that VE was going to take the Mirror thing into the thread, thus giving layabout a chance to nullify his read of BH while still disassociating himself from him? A lot of WIFOM here.

However, here's a question: how did layabout actually get converted (as was alleged by CC) if he was in a QT with VE on Day 2? It takes two full cycles to convert someone, and you can't be masoned to more than one person at once. So layabout could NOT have been converted, but why act as if he were? I don't understand the motivation for this behavior from any perspective.

ThePeashooter
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On March 20 2013 04:33 ThePeashooter wrote:
You know I'm beginning to see why Greymist let himself get lynched. If we have townies like you we don't even need scum.


On March 17 2013 15:51 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1.


please stop

you're so helpful

stop being so helpful


On March 17 2013 15:56 ThePeashooter wrote:
Shut the fuck up.

Is this a show? Seems like quite the escalation and then they both just drop it out of nowhere:
On March 17 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote:
TPS, I think we want the same thing here. We want you to post more and explain your thought process, and me to post less trying to prod you into doing so. Let's do that.


Also, I don't know why he let Vivax go on for so long looking like he scum-slipped by calling him Yamato. He could have easily solved that crap by just saying "it wasn't a slip, because I'm not Yamato, but I'm not going to entertain any further guesses." Instead he let town spit its wheels forever before finally answering.

One of his biggest posts is a bad argument full of WIFOM for why Ace needed to be lynched.

The reason he's not on the bottom rung is because WoS has called him a Fool, and that's enough for me to not want to lynch him today.


SCUM
kenpachi
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Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum):
On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off?

Buddying:
On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all.

Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips:
On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done.

Crappy reason to vote for GM:
On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth.

Responds with:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me

RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.

kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am.

So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense?

On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players.

His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally.

On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:
if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say.
unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivax

ps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^

[spoiler=i bolded this load of crap by mistake and im too lazy to change that]
On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol


TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.


glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.

Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.

I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.

I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.


Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.

RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.

Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.

[/spoiler]


I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this?
On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.

Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too.

"wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him.

On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious

"lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all.
On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what

i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once.

This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point.

On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:
BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is.

[spoiler=Logs]Blazinghand
03-21-2013
08:00 PM ET (US)
Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons.
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Blazinghand
03-21-2013
07:55 PM ET (US)
Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him.
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K
03-21-2013
07:43 PM ET (US)
or is it just because of the timestamps
9
K
03-21-2013
07:43 PM ET (US)
Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons?
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Blazinghand
03-21-2013
07:33 PM ET (US)
This only lasts until daybreak

So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009

Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that.

GK, yeah not scum.

Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow.
7
K
03-21-2013
07:19 PM ET (US)
Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all
6
K
03-21-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default
5
K
03-21-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag.
i dont care! He's not interesting
4
K
03-21-2013
07:17 PM ET (US)
how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol.
im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit.
im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf?

Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all.
Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN???
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Blazinghand
03-21-2013
06:59 PM ET (US)
Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way.
2
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
04:12 PM ET (US)
so what's up you around or are we just being afk
1
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
01:20 PM ET (US)
hello my gentle friend[/spoiler]

This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged.

On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation


Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)

My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?

Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective).
[B]On March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him.

Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK?

The rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.

Kitaman
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Has been wrong on literally everyone he's wanted lynched. Not as certain here as I am about Kenpachi. Called CC both 3P and scum, and has framed today's discussion between glurio and layabout when both of them have gone after BH. DP called him scum and then immediately died.

RyuSuzaku
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[B]On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote:
well, that sucks. I was pretty convinced GM was scum given how suspicious he was acting. Pretty disappointing play from him, especially given his incredibly strong role.

Obviously I was wrong, but I'm town and I had completely valid reasons for attacking GM.

Town thinks, "darn, how did I misread that? Let me go check." Scum goes, "it was his own fault for playing so poorly. BTW, I'm town, and my reasons for lynching him were AWESOME."
DP calls Ryu scum, gets killed. Has not been trying to find scum. Spends tons of times justifying his votes and zero time trying to find scum. I feel more certain about Ryu than I do Kitaman, but not as strongly as I do about Kenpachi.



"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 15:12 GMT
#2894
WoS, before we get the night post, can you tell us who you checked?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 15:34 GMT
#2896
Do you have town reads on Kenpachi and Ryu? If you think glurio or layabout are the best lynches, despite them being the two players left who were the most AGAINST BH when BH was alive, I think you need to form some other reads. There are probably 4 mafia left at this point, and we have a small enough group of players you should at least process my cases against Kenpachi and Ryu, yes?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 17:45 GMT
#2898
Enough with the fatalistic talk right now, WoS. No pro-town reason for it.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 18:17 GMT
#2899
WoS, you haven't answered my question -- who did you target?

And what do you think of my scum/town breakdown? Agreements/disagreements/people you're not as sure about?

Other people not posting isn't a reason to not post yourself.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 18:35 GMT
#2901
Or are you waiting to see who died before you announce who you targeted, and it will once again be somebody who is dead?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 18:48 GMT
#2903
I don't see why you don't want to say it
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 19:04 GMT
#2904
As far as we know, you're not dead, and if you don't admit to targeting a specific person it's easy for us to assume that you are scum who only blue-claimed when you were up against a wall and had no other out, and THAT'S why there was no RB on Day 1, because there ISN'T a RBer and you HAVEN'T been getting RB'd. There would be no hesitation if you were a pro-town blue -- you would just admit who you targeted. I don't understand your hesitation in giving the town information on the day that is most important for the town to have information.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 20:14 GMT
#2906
Who do you think are the last scum, Ryu? We're down to just ten people. Who are the four most likely scum to you?

I'm the only person so far to post reads and this is town's last chance.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 28 2013 22:38 GMT
#2911
On March 29 2013 05:25 RyuSuzaku wrote:
Well we can cross off Test, he's confirmed. I'm town too, that leaves 8 players.

So the last scum are in these players IMO:

TPS
glurio
geript
Zarepath

Given layabout's early posting, and the way both WoS and Kita post, I'm not convinced they are scum. They've all been relatively decent town reads for me.

Your effort now redeems you a bit but given that it's only coming out when scum most probably will just win with a mislynch, I am not convinced you are town.



So you think WoS isn't scum, but that the only fruit of his being a DT, a town read on TPS, is scum? In fact, at the top of your list? Can you explain that please, because that's a big token of evidence on his side.

Also, geript really got into it with BH; geript was one of the first (if not the first) people to call BH scum. Why do you think a scummy geript would do that?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 29 2013 00:32 GMT
#2918
I'm with you on Kenpachi.

geript, when I talked about the Kitaman case, I meant CC's case on Kitaman.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 29 2013 12:41 GMT
#2937
Yeah, because according to CC's flip, you can't actually be converted unless you've been in a QT with him for two full cycles, and yet on Day 2 VE was outing CC for masoning him. So it's impossible for layabout to have ever been converted.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 29 2013 12:45 GMT
#2938
Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi:

On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:
SCUM
kenpachi
Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum):
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On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off?

Buddying:
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On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all.

Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips:
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On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done.

Crappy reason to vote for GM:
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On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth.

Responds with:
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On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me

RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.

kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am.

So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense?

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On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players.

His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally.

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On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:
if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say.
unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivax


ps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^

+ Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +
On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol


TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.


glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.

Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.

I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.

I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.


Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.

RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.

Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.




I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this?
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On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.

Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too.

"wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him.

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On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious

"lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all.
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On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what

i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once.

This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point.

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On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:
BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is.

+ Show Spoiler [Logs] +
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
08:00 PM ET (US)
Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons.
11
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
07:55 PM ET (US)
Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him.
10
K
03-21-2013
07:43 PM ET (US)
or is it just because of the timestamps
9
K
03-21-2013
07:43 PM ET (US)
Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons?
8
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
07:33 PM ET (US)
This only lasts until daybreak

So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009

Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that.

GK, yeah not scum.

Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow.
7
K
03-21-2013
07:19 PM ET (US)
Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all
6
K
03-21-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default
5
K
03-21-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag.
i dont care! He's not interesting
4
K
03-21-2013
07:17 PM ET (US)
how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol.
im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit.
im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf?

Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all.
Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN???
3
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
06:59 PM ET (US)
Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way.
2
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
04:12 PM ET (US)
so what's up you around or are we just being afk
1
Blazinghand
03-21-2013
01:20 PM ET (US)
hello my gentle friend

This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged.

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On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation


Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)

My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?

Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective).
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On March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him.

Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK?

The rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.


"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 29 2013 12:59 GMT
#2939
On March 29 2013 15:26 RyuSuzaku wrote:
gonna vote zarepath.

##vote zarepath

Why exactly? Because I think it's suspicious that the person calling you scum died? That's hardly a good enough reason to vote to lynch someone at LYLO, right?

See, WoS made a big ol' case on me but is still at least trying to consider other evidence, such as my posting quality. You have just kind of OMGUSd me on the most important vote of the entire game without any evidence.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 30 2013 04:16 GMT
#3023
sorry been afk, had to take son to the emergency room. he's fine but I am now just stepping in to vote so mafia doesn't win with me being modkilled

I am voting for glurio for the sake of consolidation -- he is the candidate my two biggest scum reads (kenpachi and ryu) aren't voting for and my biggest town reads (TPS and geript) are voting for.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 30 2013 12:15 GMT
#3126
Well, I obviously played this one poorly. Sorry everyone. I got a handle on layabout and Ryu and even to a point suspicious about kitaman, but didn't have the confidence to hammer any of those in the late-game.

I'm also concerned with how vehemently everyone went after me for being scum on day 1. I feel like that happens to me every game and I have to fight against the mislynch for the first two days and then most people have a town read on me. I just don't know what to talk about on day 1 -- all these vets are calling people scum willy-nilly based on stupid meta crap or one-liners that actually don't reveal anything, but I'm not allowed to look cautious or else people think I'm scum. It almost feels like I should just be a lurker on Day 1, because I am more of an analysis-type player than a pushing-type player, and I can't just push for the sake of pushing. I don't know. Looking forward to reading the Obs QT.

It is too bad that so many people were modkilled this game. I think with the extra day that would have given us we could have latched onto some scum. But in the end it was my own fault -- sucks to not be killed until the very end and then be on the side of game-losing mislynch
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 30 2013 16:36 GMT
#3141
Yeah, thanks Ken

['/['p/ v;/l
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 30 2013 16:42 GMT
#3142
Sorry, son mashed the keys. I wish I'd been more confident about my reads, namely the layabout one and the Ryu one. I liked both of them as lynches more than glurio but wasnt' around to push either.

I wish I knew better what to do Day 1 as town. I never seem to be able to look town enough on day 1.
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