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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:18 GMT
#1251
On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.

I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.

Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?


zZz


more clearly: I don't like ryu, and as I mentioned, I think the case you initially outlined against him is reasonable. Given that TPS has like straight-up claimed scum, doesn't remember his own read on coag and has let slip that he thinks coag is town I don't see why anyone wants to not lynch TPS though
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:20 GMT
#1252
On March 20 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote:
Then why did you wait for them to set a new one up in your logs? You had it anyway and if you opened it already it means you already had their consensus and didn't need a new one.


They didn't drag their feet for the other 2, they responded immediately to my PMs and opened the QTs. DrH explicitly told me via PM to make the GK mason QT myself. The fact that the hosts' shittiness is making me look bad is infuriating but that's all there is to it.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:20 GMT
#1253
On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.

I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.

Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?


zZz

What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?


We've already talked about Ryu man
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:22 GMT
#1255
On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.


I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all?
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:24 GMT
#1258
On March 20 2013 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:20 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:16 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
They haven't I just reread.

I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town.

Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?


zZz

What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine?


We've already talked about Ryu man

And you concluded "we lynch him tmrw imo"

You haven't mentioned him ONCE this phase, not to mention never posting that "giant case" you said you'd post before dawn to see how he reacts...which you had PLENTY of time for, as I didn't out you as a mason or say you're scum until like 2 hours before deadline or something.


1) The fact that you waited until 2 hours before the deadline is WHY I was pressed for time
2) I explicitly mention Ryu in my end-of-night post
3) I still dont' understand your about-face on tPS AT ALL
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:24 GMT
#1259
On March 20 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:22 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.


I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all?

he said IF WE HAVE TOWNIES LIKE YOU. Implying that Coag is playing so scummy that if we have townies like him in town we've already lost. IT SAYS IT IN HIS POST BH.


BUT HE DOESNT THINK COAG IS A TOWNIE
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:28 GMT
#1261
On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:
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On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.

I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig.

This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers.

It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.

BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.



Whose filter looks normal for whom?
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:33 GMT
#1264
On March 20 2013 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:15 layabout wrote:
It's possible that a hypothetical scum BH might fake one of the logs, but your argument for why that the GK one is fake is silly.

I don't want to look at BH until we have more masons out or flipped, it's really unlikely that grey would be the only one since he was supposed to be the vig.

This doesn't even make a single bit of sense. Do you think BH is scummy or not? We're not lynching or not lynching BH based on his ROLE laya that's absolutely asinine. We have no idea what to expect from scum powers and equally no idea what to expect in terms of town powers.

It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town.

BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts.



The last, italicized statement is predicated on the first, bolded statement.

If BH is a scum mason and can mason people all the time THEN why would town's only mason be GreY's role?

Your reasoning for thinking that there are more than one town mason is LITERALLY the idea that BH is a scum mason. Can you not see how this doesn't make sense?


he's saying the assumption it takes to say "BH is scum" is that there are a lot of masons, which is the same assumption it takes to say "BH is town"
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:37 GMT
#1266
On March 20 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary.


we must have different prior assumptions
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:46 GMT
#1270
I did not expect a new QT to be opened
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 19 2013 23:56 GMT
#1273
On March 20 2013 04:55 cosmicomics wrote:
Ah ... forgot to add this.

Vote: VisceraEyes

When I get time I'll be catching up more on ThePeashooter business but I want people to look into VisceraEyes in the meantime.


still waiting to hear your thoughts on my glorious TPS case
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:06 GMT
#1275
On March 20 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
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On March 20 2013 08:46 Wade Fell wrote:
I did not expect a new QT to be opened


It looks like you wrote that post up in a qt and posted it in your scum qt while waiting for hosts to open up the mason one.
Was it prepared beforehand or did you write it on the go while in the mason qt?


I wrote it in the mason qt
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:08 GMT
#1277
On March 20 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:

Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there.

THREAD: + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:
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On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote:
I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!"

No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do.

But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit.

Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria.


Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it.

What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum"

Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag.

You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious.

You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town.

But this town has me.

You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming.



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03-17-2013
09:07 PM ET (US)


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Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive.

In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of.

Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta.

The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking.

Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now.

I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts?


lol you're so bad it's kinda cute
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:09 GMT
#1279
On March 20 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:

Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there.

THREAD: + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote:
I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!"

No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do.

But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit.

Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria.


Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it.

What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum"

Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag.

You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious.

You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town.

But this town has me.

You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming.



QT:+ Show Spoiler +
03-17-2013
09:07 PM ET (US)


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Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive.

In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of.

Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta.

The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking.

Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now.

I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts?


lol you're so bad it's kinda cute


I guess this means you're town though, scum would never try to pull such an obviously ineffective stunt
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:10 GMT
#1281
On March 20 2013 09:09 Vivax wrote:
Wait a minute I'm getting confused with my european timestamps. Need to double check.


I love watching you slowly figure out your foolishness
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:40 GMT
#1290
ugh sorry quoted for filter

On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.

At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me.

One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting.

From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity.

On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS?

you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link)


The Peashooter

Not sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS.

accusation that his first post was scummy
Setup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game.

+ Show Spoiler +

If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.

Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.

I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful.

On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.

First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.

Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.

Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game.


He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that.

I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.

Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host.

On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.


Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not

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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:46 GMT
#1297
On March 20 2013 09:44 ThePeashooter wrote:
I never said I didn't know who coag was. I said that his play was bad for the town regardless of his meta. Looking back now I still wish we killed him because he's still useless and impossible to read now. I never specifically said he was my #1 scum target. I never came close to saying anything to that effect. I got on his case within the first 10 pages of the game and didn't really follow up because there was not much of a case and it was clear the town wasn't going to go for it. I do not feel there is any evidence for or against Coag apart from being inactive and when he's actually here he is useless.


Everyone in the game: read this post and tell me TPS is town. I double dawg dare you
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 00:47 GMT
#1299
On March 20 2013 09:46 ThePeashooter wrote:
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On March 20 2013 09:40 Wade Fell wrote:
ugh sorry quoted for filter

On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:
On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard.

At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me.

One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting.

From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity.

On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS?

you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link)


The Peashooter

Not sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS.

accusation that his first post was scummy
Setup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game.

+ Show Spoiler +

If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.

Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.

I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful.

On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:
accusation of fake anger at spam
I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.

First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.

Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.

Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game.


He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that.

I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.

Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host.

On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate.


Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not


For fucks sake. I already explained to you how to not keep fucking up the same exact way. Get two browsers and have one set for blazing hand and the other for Wade Fall. The one that is Wade Fall you disable everything on the side bar that is not MAFIA. You don't open mafia in the other browser at all. I have been doing this all game and never have I come close to posting under my other account.

Stop being fucking lazy and be more aware. Maybe if you used the preview feature this wouldn't be a god damn problem.


now you're just being mean. Come on man, we have a game to play, and this is not a valuable use of anyone's effort.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 16:50 GMT
#1658
On March 21 2013 00:02 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 23:59 zarepath wrote:
On March 20 2013 23:51 Vivax wrote:
Zarepath why do you keep asking people scummy questions about their rolenames and roles they don't concern you AT ALL, if you are town.


It concerns me if a red Eye can get away with pretending to be blue. He's been incredibly vague his entire role claim, and his breadcrumb isn't actually a breadcrumb. He could have taken any sentence he said about TPS on N1 and said "I was going to say this phrase every time I checked someone."

It's true his read on him changed, but his read changed on a lot of people (Wiggles) for seemingly no reason.


We aren't lynching a cop claim. Especially one that fits with the thought processes in his filter.


And we're not lynching his green check either :| It's still possible I'm right about TPS and all you guys are wrong, but it's not sensible to pursue him further today. I'll see if I can refine a case against vivax and look more seriously into wiggles.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 16:50 GMT
#1660
so, VE just claimed 3p and bailed from the thread? how fucking srs are we

how srs are we
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