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On March 19 2013 12:37 geript wrote:
Did you see my last post VE? Do you think BH would make that night post after a town flip?
You know what geript? I'm tired of you flinging shit like a monkey in a zoo from the sidelines. If you had something to say, you'd have said it during D1. Everything you've done this game has been with the purpose of hurting town, and you're just mad I've attacked you and other people who didn't like VE's idea for forming a town circle. Your so-called evidence regarding how I began this night is bullshit, like everything else you spew. of COURSE I look into the filters of dead townies. of COURSE I'll take his reads into account. we were literally talking about this over the course of the mafia podcast, but you didn't absorb any of that because you're just another grush, just another player who is worthless as a townie, so worthless scum keeps him alive until lylo because he never does anything remotely useful, the perfect scum player. VE told me to hold back on attacking you tonight, he said that he'd try to coax something useful out of you, but what's this? You're flinging shit at everything useful town has tried to do this game, because the very idea of veterans, of skilled players, trying to hunt scum is offensive to you. You're just a fly, geript, a fly on the wall that I will crush like all the other players who stand against me this game.
I'm tired of listening to your garbage. tomorrow try to start a wagon on me, I fucking dare you. I'll lynch you first.
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On March 19 2013 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are my thoughts.
Wade Fell is SCUM!!
He has done nothing this game. The last game I played with him he aggressively pushed his reads and pressured suspects. He's done nothing like that in this thread. He showed early aggression based on weak reasoning, but all he's done since is defend GK. Literally.
But that's not all he's done. Wade Fell is also a mason. I know this because he's been masoned to me all during this phase. He claims to have been masoned to GK during the day. All he's done in this mason convo has been push his same weak arguments he made in the thread at first, then just passively agree with anything I said. He wasn't trying to divine my alignment. And if his posts are to be believe he didn't mason GK to divine his alignment either. He's been masoning town-reads. To what end? He's not bringing anything new to the table in mason chats, that's for sure.
This leads me to conclude that Wade Fell is some sort of scum mason attempting to manipulate townies. He claims he can mason a different person every phase, and phase one he chose GK and phase 2 he chose me.
Factor in the fact that we've already flipped one town-aligned mason role in Nightmare and I'm inclined to believe that WF's role is scum aligned even more.
So WF is scum. Talk about it.
Look, I'll admit GM wasn't my top scumread, which makes the swap to him look scummy. Normally I'd try to to voteswap shenannies to get my main dude lynched. But you know what? The deadline is at midnight PST, whcih is like ungodly oclock european time. There was no voteswap happening at the end of this day. I haven't been able to post as much as I'd like, but I've called it as I've seen it and weighed in on everything important that's happened in this damn game. Look at my filter and you'll see me taking positions, explaining myr easoning, and calling people out for bad reasoning on EVERYTHING because I am transparent. If you think I'm scum because I didn't have my vote on my top scumread at the end of the day, that's fine. I HAVE led good last-minute shennanies before and I didn't lead one this time. But you know what? DrH ended the day 10 minutes early. It wouldn't have worked anyways, and there weren't the people online for it, and if there were it doesnt' matter because the mod ended the day early.
You think this is scum BH, fine. I'll make a better case on someone else and we'll lynch them first. All I have to do is scumhunt better than the jubjubs and scum and push me, and I won't get lynched.
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On March 19 2013 13:31 sciberbia wrote:
@BH
Can you explain why you chose to mason GK and then VE?
Also, I think you might as well claim your role in full and tell us if you are allowed to post the mason logs or not. Probably wait until the daypost to do this though.
I masoned GK because I had a strong townread on him, and wanted to be absolutely sure in private communicaiton. If I mason scum I'm dead immediately (or perhaps, even sooner than usual) since they'll know I'm a blue. I masoned VE because I have a townread on him and as vets we are likely to be shot N1, so this was probably my best chance to talk to him.
My role is The Messenger. Oats tells me am not allowed to quote my role PM or flavour, but I can tell you the specifics of my role. Each phase I may mason with a person, but I can not mason with the same person twice. It is not clear if I am allowed to post logs.
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As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
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That's all you have to say for yourself? how typical. How geript of you.
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On March 19 2013 13:42 geript wrote:
Look unlike you, I don't need to make up for a high squeaky voice with an abnormally large epeen.
Unlike you I don't have to make up for being hideously bad at mafia by resorting to ad hominem attacks. Does the pitch of the voice or the size of my enormous gargantuan epeen have any bearing whatsoever on the game? You're just trying to make me mad. And let me tell you this, geript: it ain't gonna work. You can't stop me from scumhunting with cheap emotional attacks. Unlike you am I above such things.
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On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior.
>BH is meek and timid
wat
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In Mafia LX I pictured you as useful and trying to help town, because you were
This game, you're just insulting people for no discernable reason. Get your head in the game mocsta
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On March 19 2013 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Because if he's town he's a free shot on a strong role paired with a potentially strong player for scum. Makes more sense to wait until day time if you had to do it. @BH/Geript: Can you two cut it out? It's a game, you don't have to get personal.
I'm not the one getting personal here
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On March 19 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:47 Wade Fell wrote:
In Mafia LX I pictured you as useful and trying to help town, because you were
This game, you're just insulting people for no discernable reason. Get your head in the game mocsta Classic scum launch ad-hom and avoid commenting on the crux of what i said
Is your criticism of me the fact that I'm playing meek, or the fact that I'm playing aggro? You say "oh BH is meeker than he was in LX, so he is scum" but also that I'm being aggressive to emulate my play in LX. You can't have it both ways.
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On March 19 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:49 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:47 Wade Fell wrote:
In Mafia LX I pictured you as useful and trying to help town, because you were
This game, you're just insulting people for no discernable reason. Get your head in the game mocsta Classic scum launch ad-hom and avoid commenting on the crux of what i said Is your criticism of me the fact that I'm playing meek, or the fact that I'm playing aggro? You say "oh BH is meeker than he was in LX, so he is scum" but also that I'm being aggressive to emulate my play in LX. You can't have it both ways. Lol.. what i wrote is very clear cut im not going to paraphrase it for you, because you have shown no effort to attack the argument (yet)
My meta defense of GK has convinced plenty of people he's town. He wasn't even a lynch target. He can come in and confirm I was in a Mason QT with him D1. He is not scum. I am not scum. If you view this as a mark against me, so be it; I will demonstrate we have bigger fish to fry tomorrow.
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On March 19 2013 13:51 geript wrote:
Sure Wiggles. It's just hard not to rub it in.
Rubbing it in has nothing to do with scumhunting and is a waste of my time, and almost certainly yours. mocsta is following up on his case against me. Why aren't you? Where's the continued pressure? Or are you just butthurt about last game, or just scum trying to hide in case I actually get lynched tomorrow and flipped town?
If you have criticisms of my play, come at me bro
otherwise, get the hell out of my way
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On March 19 2013 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach?
I'm not emulating my confident play-- my play, if you don't count my blue actions, is utterly confident. Yes, my choice of mason targets was cautious, but I was unable to post as much as I'd like during D1 because TPS and sandro's cycles lined up. The fact of the matter is, I had more to gain and far less to lose from masoning GK than from masoning one of my scumreads, especially when those scumreads are TPS and Testsubject, both of whose intransigence would likely not translate well to a mason QT.
Was GK a newbie, and probably easily impressioned by me? Sure, of course. But on the other hand, he's also a newbie who has been coached by me. He knows how I think and how I hunt scum. Of all the various newbies in this game to mason, GK is the most likely to figure me out if I am scum. Of all the various vets in this game to mason, Ve is the most ly likely to figure me out if I am scum. My blue actions are for discussion scumreads, and cautious, but if I were scum they'd be hideously risky.
I'd really feel better if GK were here to talk also *nudge nudge*
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Like I could have masoned Glurio or Vivax or Hyaach and none of those guys know me remotely well enough to finger my scum play via Mason QT. There are also plenty of plausible vets to mason, from Kitaman to DYH to Wiggles. I masoned people who have interacted with me extensively because as a town player, that's where I have most to gain. And yes, I am aware as a scum player I could just mason who I'd mason as town and this seems WIFOMey, but it's not WIFOM: It's WTHTD (link), Wine That's Harder To Drink. My actions make perfect sense as town, and although as scum I might do them just to appear town, it would be enormously risky to do so.
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On March 19 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:57 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach? I'm not emulating my confident play-- my play, if you don't count my blue actions, is utterly confident. Yes, my choice of mason targets was cautious, but I was unable to post as much as I'd like during D1 because TPS and sandro's cycles lined up. The fact of the matter is, I had more to gain and far less to lose from masoning GK than from masoning one of my scumreads, especially when those scumreads are TPS and Testsubject, both of whose intransigence would likely not translate well to a mason QT. Was GK a newbie, and probably easily impressioned by me? Sure, of course. But on the other hand, he's also a newbie who has been coached by me. He knows how I think and how I hunt scum. Of all the various newbies in this game to mason, GK is the most likely to figure me out if I am scum. Of all the various vets in this game to mason, Ve is the most ly likely to figure me out if I am scum. My blue actions are for discussion scumreads, and cautious, but if I were scum they'd be hideously risky. I'd really feel better if GK were here to talk also *nudge nudge* Course u do, it would be coordinated if GK was here. I dont like this BH.. this reads as a politician trying to sway me around "I had more to gain and far less to lose." Blah Blah Blah Town BH is Motherfucker.. i did this, its the right choice, dont question me Keep up those meek and timid speeches scumIf u want me to start pulling Mafia LX quotes and providing contrast I shall oblige... if u havnt forgotten (MilkSuckler- me) and you had epeen battles in LX.. and this is going radically different. Now that game I am town... this game im town That game you were town.. this game.. (well surely u can spot the difference)
I have been threatened multiple times with modkills this game due to my aggression, in both private and public. You can see the mods posting in the thread about it. Take a look at where my aggression tuned down. Look at how I'm treating geript. I'm trying to defuse the situation because yes, in addition to being aggressive I am also a reasonable guy who doesn't like getting modkilled. People asked for my rationale for my blue actions. Was my thought process cautious? Yes. Does my thought process make ANY SENSE AT ALL coming from a scum perspective? NO.
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Look, you guys can say "Blazinghand isn't playing like he did last game" all you want, but last game D1 scum was obvious, and every day after that I had a red check on an obvious scum player. I'll reference Mario mini where people said "BH isn't playing like his town play" and basically wehre after me for meta reasons (link)
On November 15 2012 00:48 Blazinghand wrote:
here via phone. anyo e votibg me needs to explain how my play this game is diferent than Storm Mafja or similar to any of the scum games ive played especially since a nontrivial component of the case is meat. no getting off voting me on meta wkfbojt at least doing your HW and staking out a position you can be held to. Ill be back in a few hours prk ably to vote one of these guys trying to opt out of the discussion by voti g me or more likely to call tbem Bad and develep DP case or talk Bout hopeless 1 meat
Basically, I'll say this: show me how this fits my scum meta, and you have a meta case going. If all you can say is "BH isn't playing the same as last game", then you're making the same mistake people ALWAYS make when they try to meta read me.
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On March 19 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 14:00 Wade Fell wrote:Like I could have masoned Glurio or Vivax or Hyaach and none of those guys know me remotely well enough to finger my scum play via Mason QT. There are also plenty of plausible vets to mason, from Kitaman to DYH to Wiggles. I masoned people who have interacted with me extensively because as a town player, that's where I have most to gain. And yes, I am aware as a scum player I could just mason who I'd mason as town and this seems WIFOMey, but it's not WIFOM: It's WTHTD (link), Wine That's Harder To Drink. My actions make perfect sense as town, and although as scum I might do them just to appear town, it would be enormously risky to do so. I dont have your experience, but with common sense. I mason with people I think are town and trying to run ideas together with Why mason a scum read, who would lead u in circles and then shoot you? The benefit in my opinino of a town mason, is the ability to "hydra"... so im gonna be very curious about these logs BH veCan you please confirm the agenda of discussion BH was pushing with you? Was he trying to discuss reads; or just push GK?
I am not trying to push GK. He is town... :|
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On March 19 2013 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wouldn't call masoning with me "risky" and I'm sure most of the vets on this site would agree with me...but that's a conversation for another time because that part of the argument IS WIFOM.
The fact of the matter is that during the day I made no secret about having a town-read on you based on your early play - if you'll recall I invited you in this thread to be on The Team. Obviously any assertion that you were "at risk" by masoning me is pretty much null considering that scum have to take risks to win the game. It becomes a question of when, and what kinds of opportunities arise.
Not because of your read on me, VE-- at the end of D1 EVERYONE had a townread on me basically. Because we've played dozens of games together, and out of everyone here you are the single player who knows me best. If there's anyone in this game I wouldn't mason as scum, it would be you. Not because of your reads, not because you're some super scumhunter (though you are talented), but because you know me best. That's why you and GK are both risky for me as a scum player to mason, but both excellent for me as a town player to mason: you know me well. This isn't WIFOM, it's WTHTD.
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On March 19 2013 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:57 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 13:39 Wade Fell wrote:
As an aside, another reason I masoned GK is that I've interacted with him in QTs before when I coached him, and I knew I'd be able to get a perfect read on him from doing so, as well as help his scumhunting.
Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach? I'm not emulating my confident play-- my play, if you don't count my blue actions, is utterly confident. Yes, my choice of mason targets was cautious, but I was unable to post as much as I'd like during D1 because TPS and sandro's cycles lined up. The fact of the matter is, I had more to gain and far less to lose from masoning GK than from masoning one of my scumreads, especially when those scumreads are TPS and Testsubject, both of whose intransigence would likely not translate well to a mason QT. Was GK a newbie, and probably easily impressioned by me? Sure, of course. But on the other hand, he's also a newbie who has been coached by me. He knows how I think and how I hunt scum. Of all the various newbies in this game to mason, GK is the most likely to figure me out if I am scum. Of all the various vets in this game to mason, Ve is the most ly likely to figure me out if I am scum. My blue actions are for discussion scumreads, and cautious, but if I were scum they'd be hideously risky. I'd really feel better if GK were here to talk also *nudge nudge* Course u do, it would be coordinated if GK was here. I dont like this BH.. this reads as a politician trying to sway me around "I had more to gain and far less to lose." Blah Blah Blah Town BH is Motherfucker.. i did this, its the right choice, dont question me Keep up those meek and timid speeches scumIf u want me to start pulling Mafia LX quotes and providing contrast I shall oblige... if u havnt forgotten (MilkSuckler- me) and you had epeen battles in LX.. and this is going radically different. Now that game I am town... this game im town That game you were town.. this game.. (well surely u can spot the difference) It wouldn't be coordinated though would it? I thought the mason 'connection' ends with each phase, meaning his connection now is with VE? If you look at his earlier posts defending GK he is trying to coordinate a defense there and sounds pretty confident aside from when GK basically leaves him in the lurch and doesn't show up. Which posts specifically lead you to believe he is acting rather than actually going through with 'motherfucker' BH, Mocsta?
My current connection is with VE.
I am no longer connected with GK, although in addition to discussing pushing GM and how to respond to his martyring, we talked about future reads and pushes we have planned, as well as the possibility of GM being bussed.
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On March 19 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:09 Wade Fell wrote:
:| at least with his dying hours he could have written some cases or given something to work off of. All he's left us with is:
an entirely wrongheaded attack on GK, and unexplained scumreads on WoS and Testsubject.
He's right on testsubject but never goes into detail. As a final token to Greymist I will take an analytical look at WoS before the end of the night though, and as usual you will have my general thoughts and cases before dawn. Couple things, BH. This was promised and we never got it, and we haven't heard anything regarding your top scumreads, TPS/Testsubject in a while. Are we going to receive any of this before deadline in case you are night target?
Of course.
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