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On March 22 2013 06:29 RyuSuzaku wrote:
if you are town, I am trying to help you right now.
I know that as town you are better than this. So, either change your game and help me find scum ASAP or I will get you lynched tomorrow.
I just hope I will live to be able to keep you in check.
Your threat is meaningless. I've resigned to death. That's what you scummy fuckers keep glossing over. I'm DEAD ALREADY because of the shit I pulled yesterday. Rather than niggle me about my play, why don't you explain why my case against WF is wrong? You know, if you're REALLY trying to help me and not just blow smoke up my ass?
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You can't discredit it as "tunneling into Oblivion" because I've been VERY open to other targets. In FACT. In what way am I "tunneling BH into Oblivion" when I'm simultaneously looking at other candidates? This is a blatant lie and a completely transparent attempt to dodge the issue.
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I'm not doing this. I'm not getting drawn into an argument with you. If you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow or shoot me tonight if you're able. I don't have time to fuck with you...I've got cases to write.
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I have not admitted to being third party. Just throwing that out there. And to be fair, I'm advocating a vig shot on me over a lynch of me. I would prefer if lynches hit scum. Just sayin.
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Yeah I couldn't be fucked to make the rest of my cases yesterday. I'm going to be honest here: because not a single person was willing to listen to me regarding Wade Fell, someone I was like absolutely certain was mafia, I didn't feel like making any further cases.
Now, I'm still willing to move forward with a VE lynch if enough still fear that I'm playing for a different team. But at this point, I feel like we can almost DEPEND on a Mr. Wiggles lynch. I'm also willing to lynch Ryu and glurio off the top of my head. Anyone else I'll have to look over their filter first.
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
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On March 22 2013 22:56 glurio wrote:How about you read my last post VE? Here i quote it for you: + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 19:14 glurio wrote:Nice shot. I looked through WFs early filter: This interaction looks like scum communicating with scum. (Wiggles and WF) + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 11:06 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 09:27 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:24 Kenpachi wrote:On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:22 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 09:21 Kenpachi wrote:
Is he a smurf? TPS is almost certainly a smurf. More reason, btw, why his so-called "case" on coag is bad. He should definitely know better. exactly what i was thinking but its a case of WIFOM here and i honestly cant tell. There is a possibility he's a smurf of a younger player who hasn't heard of coag, or he literally made his account just before this game started, just to sign up for the last spot. I consider both of these possibilities somewhat unlikely. And, even considering the apparent vacuousness of his vote on coag, he hasn't taken a stance on GK or Geript or really anyone or anything, ignoring all other discussion in town to tunnel his target. This is an easy way for scum to avoid meaningful interaction with town and giving out reads. We don't know anything about his thought-process, so of course it seems WIFOM-ey-- but his play absolutely prevents us from clearing the wine from in front of us. I'm not saying he's a bad scum player-- this is a clever ruse. But he is scum. Town would have an opinion on GK, ESPECIALLY town pushing another lynch. Can this guy really be considered to be "pushing" coag given that he hasn't tried to stop the GK lynch at all? He's putting forth a simulacrum of what a townie does. Clever, but not enough. The thing about this analysis, is that he hasn't done anything at all since he called out Coag. I think it's disingenuous to say he's tunneling Coag when he made a post calling him out, I asked him if he was familiar with his meta, and he freaked out within a short time frame. I agree that I wouldn't say he's pushing Coag, but we don't know if he's just apathetic to pushing it, or he agrees with other cases since he's gone inactive. So I don't really have warm fuzzy feelings about the guy, but I think your case is somewhat misrepresentative, just because he hasn't posted and it's basing things as though he's actually been around to exhibit that behaviour. He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread. If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions. On March 17 2013 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I actually kind of get the feeling that Peashooter's just new, but like Kita was saying, and you're implying, if he's a smurf that goes out the window, because he could just be pretending to be new while being experienced.
I think I need to wait for him to post some more to get a more solid read. On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day? On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
I too am highly interested in how he will respond to my case and wat's taken place in town since his "departure"
but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday. On March 17 2013 11:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote:
Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day? I have someone else in mind for the lynch, and then a vig can just get rid of him if possible. He has to post sometime. To me this piece of conversation does not look natural at all. It looks to me as if both are treading around very carefully, which is quite unlike WF. On top of that all the other points already raised on wiggles by other people. Sadly his filter doesn't give too much. He was always hardcore tunneling either TPS, TestSubject or VE basically the whole game. I will probably read it again when i'm less tired. I also looked through Vivax's filter, he most likely hit GK with his shot. I could find no breadcrumbs to a sciberia hit, while GK was quite often the focus of his attention. Vivax's scumreads were: zarepath, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, goodkarma, DYH, TrancestormUpon reading on his last few posts his focus at that moment was CC, GK and DYH. In sciberias filter we can find a strong scumread on CC + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote:OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish. Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics?Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1: Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite. Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide. He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime. This post scummy as mentioned by others. Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about. I pose my question again: Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CCI think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate. . So after reading this i would go after the following people in this order: cosmicomics: Both Vivax and sciberia were suspicious of him at the end of the night. High likelihood of being scum. wiggles: weird interaction with Wade Fell, top that with all the cases already against him and we got ourselves a very scummy looking wiggles TranceStorm: + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 22:15 TranceStorm wrote:
Hmm. Some thoughts.
I'm inclined to trust Wade Hand. Like scib had said earlier, it would be much safer for a scum mason to simply a) not mason anyone or b) pretend to mason one of his teammates due to the flip of GM.
As per his case on TPS, I've become more and more convinced after reading through TPS' justifications for voting for GM. It is interesting to note that TPS spends more time talking about how he thinks zarepath is scummy. Personally, I think that TPS 'let it play out' over the GM situation so that he couldn't be nailed over strongly leading the GM lynch as he tried to do with Coag. I'll vote for TPS right now.
My opinion on DoYouHas has retracted somewhat. I don't think he's been 'attaching himself to arguments' as I had said earlier anymore.
Also, Wiggo is still super-scummy in my eyes. His behavior during the GM lynch was really bizarre, but the single post I had highlighted earlier isn't sufficient to make me vote for him. I want to see his analysis today. He defended Wade Fell and called Wiggles super scummy, after the WF flip now this looks really scummy but i also believed Wade Fell with his blue claim so i can't damn him really. DYH: vivax was after him so he has reasons to kill vivax, but i'm not quite convinced here and actually had a strong town read on him. My top scumread right now is cosmicomics. I don't think DYH is scum but he should be questioned further. I don't think TranceStorm AND wiggles are scum. But wiggles looks scummier right now. TLDR: cosmicomics is scum
I read it. You also seem to be red on Wiggles, yet your vote is on CC in spite of there already being support for a Wiggles wagon. So its like...I don't care what you say right now. You're not willing to discuss anything with town ("Read my post" instead of "Do you disagree with me?") so why should I be willing to discuss anything with you?
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On March 22 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Only mildly related: + Show Spoiler +VE I think I'm going to have to shadow a game of yours at some point; if you're town I think you run into a lot of the same issue I do with my town play. Only difference being you're shit tons more experienced and can compensate I guess. In any case I won't be focused on you until we nail a couple other scum at least. What say you specifically regarding glurio? Have you seen my posts on him throughout the thread? I believe Mocsta also was trying to focus attention towards him during the clusterfuck D2, but I was more focused on trying to get people on board with Wriggles or at the very least consolidating. There are also a lot of other things I want to bring up to the thread, for example: Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote:
remove wade fell and add wiggles and they are acceptable. I would probably add ryu and take out zerap also. This comes after he calls WF scummy just a little bit earlier but professes he wants to deal with Wiggles/Ace controversy first. Not sure what to make of this. Also curious as to what DP thinks of his meta read on GK not being as strong as he thought.
That is huge Wave, because it not only came at a time when he had just said WF is scummy, but it also came at a time when my huge WF cases were out and the order of the night was "discredit VE".
Coag on my shitlist because of that sir, I totally missed that.
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument?
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On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
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i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
I found BH quite easy to pin as mafia you jerk.
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On March 23 2013 06:29 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, I can absolutely get behind a Wiggles lynch after reading that filter.
The way he keeps promising future reads, saying he needs to read more, that he is waiting on players to post. He kept delaying and delaying and still never gave comprehensive reads. I find the way he interacts with with BH/TPS/GK to also be pretty suspicious. Early on he throws a lot of pressure GK's way. After the game has been going for a little while he starts giving opinions on TPS and GK that sound like hedging. He moderates his stances on both TPS and GK such that his options are more open and he isn't directly disagreeing with BH. It reads to me very much like he knew the actual situation as BH was pressuring and didn't want to sabotage what BH was doing. This is me extrapolating from the sense that Wiggles seems to be walking a very careful line between BH/TPS/GK.
I feel pretty strongly right now that Wiggles is scum, and that is where my vote is going.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
PS. The next 2 I'm looking into are DP and glurio.
I'm gonna request that you prioritize Ryu over glurio if you haven't looked into him yet. He literally lied to me about his sandroba read when I called him out on it earlier and just as my BH case came out he came hard with the discrediting. I'm pretty sure he's scum.
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This is what I'm referring to with the sandroba read.
On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu
On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote:-snip- Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu I never assumed sandro to be town nor did I ever strongly feel him to be scum. I voted him to begin with to pressure him into explaining his reads. He obviously never did because he was afk the entire time. I ignored him after the replacement was announced. IIRC this was before the replacement was announced. I simply was surprised that a player would ignore sandro's accusation, given that he is widely accepted to be a very good town player. I misinterpreted the situation. Why are you cherry picking me? Are you scum?
Which is clearly not the case because in addition to actually VOTE the guy, he also had this to say.
On March 17 2013 22:57 RyuSuzaku wrote:
man, Wade Fell and VE are so damn annoying. There were a full 2 pages of nothing but useless one liners. I think you both are scaring off posters and it's troublesome.
sandroba hasn't responded to my vote nor has he done anything since his initial comments. I think he has a very good likelihood of being scum because of this. I'd expect him to at least do something in the meantime, but he's simply lurking. While greymist is still a bit suspicious, he at the very least seems to have put in some effort toward finding scum. His target is not very great IMO, but at the very least he is not still lurking.
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On March 23 2013 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him?
He still hasn't done anything that screams town to me. He's doing a good job of at least OMGUSing engaging people who are suspicious of them, but beyond that there isn't much that indicates scumhunting. Which is odd considering his intimate interaction with the Ace lynch.
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Well to be fair he just came in and was all "Aw man all my scumreads are dead BAH"
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I do. I'm actually reading right now.
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It's hard to compare, mainly because he was under attack early on and was in defensive mode...and he similarly has really only been in defensive mode this game. Not that it looks similar because I agree that it doesn't - in that game he seemed more inclined to defend himself rather than just automatically accuse his accuser, thought it might be because it was Hapa attacking him (someone you say was town by sentiment) so it's hard to say for me. :/
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He certainly stepped up into a semi-leadership position by the end of the day which is COMPLETELY lacking in this game, but again, this one is a larger game with more vets so it's hard to compare.
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Hi guys I'm back. Reading now
gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit.
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Trying to make your opponents rage quit by being a huge dick isn't a legit strategy Bugs.
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I'm talking about you jerk I have no problem with spam obviously.
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