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Wade Fell

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March 20 2013 23:32 GMT

#1867

On March 21 2013 08:29 TestSubject893 wrote:

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On March 21 2013 08:26 Wade Fell wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:

On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote:
I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting.

I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming.

That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus.

Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)

then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.

The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.

1) you're scum
2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control
3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist.
4) you'rescum

Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.

almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet"

Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started.

Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with?

I don't insult you at all in that quote. It's literal fact that you have been useless, and that you did avoid talking about anything of substance. That's just how it is, man. That's the truth. Unless you find me complimenting myself insulting, in which case I say: I'm just too sexy not to call myself sexy. I hope that you don't mind.

Wade Fell

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March 20 2013 23:34 GMT

#1868

On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:

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If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.

Ah yes, the "out of game excuse" for being absent. Will ignore.

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 03:27 GMT

#2041

On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
DP...

i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?

His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.

i am highly tempted by testsubj

gk still town for reasons mentioned

zare has been silent in mason qt for long time dunno what his problem is

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 03:34 GMT

#2046

lynching testsubj is good

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 03:40 GMT

#2050

On March 21 2013 12:37 goodkarma wrote:

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There's like honestly no reason...

What you just posted makes sense to me. The "not useful" meta argument I had doesn't seem to hold water, as I believe this is a solid case. While your day one was very scummy, as was some of your wishy-washy reads from today, I feel your case deserves consideration.

Unfortunately, time is short. I'm going to change my vote while I look further into this.:

##Unvote
##Vote: Ace

I don't get why we're voting ace

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 03:44 GMT

#2056

On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote:
To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1.

TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it).

His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that
the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different.

TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me

The big problem was this though:

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His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred

The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum

THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning.

Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this.
He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM.

In fact.. i cant walk away from this.

##Unvote
##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT

You walked into the room and took a piece of my heart

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 03:45 GMT

#2058

So I'm gonna be super clear: I'm chill with a TestSubj lynch, though I find a VE lynch somewhat but not hugely preferable. That being said, we are close to deadline and need to consolidate.

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 03:47 GMT

#2060

On March 21 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote:

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Honey

Already did it.

P.S

NICE DE-LURK

yeah in case it hasn't been clear testsubj hasn't really been "in the bathroom" or wherever, he's carousing with his scumbuddies in the scum QT and comes back when people start to bite and that's it.

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 03:54 GMT

#2067

On March 21 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:

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You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior.

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I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning.

This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well.

The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:00 GMT

#2074

I'm just gonna leave this here so that zZzarepath gets off his ass

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I'll keep it short and simple: this QT lasts until the end of the day. I think you're town, but there is a strong current of lynch against you. If you die, it happens, but the most important thing is to use your time alive as best you can. I won't be posting the logs of this QT except with your permission, or to save one of us from a lynch.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18055501

I like how you're thinking here- I like how you think in general, fearlessly and townie. I've updated my case against TPS, and I'd like to know who your top scumreads are, if TPS is among them and whether you'd be interested in collaborating with me to get him lynched. If we both share our though processes with each other, we can get better reads on each other.

Do not claim your role to me.

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I'm heading to bed and will be back in thread in ~9-10 hours.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Honestly, you were one of my scum reads until I read all this Messenger stuff, and after reading this QT and before reading the other ones, I thought this was highly suspect -- if you want help lynching your top scum read, why do you pick the townie with the least amount of credibility?

Right now I'm going through all the filters to group my reads and present them to the thread, to hopefully get myself some more town cred. Hopefully I'll see something about TPS that makes me agree with you and we can work it out. I'll tell you my reads before I post them up there if you want.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Yeah, I'm just not seeing TPS as scum. He's too assertive and active. There are plenty of other people who look way more suspect, like TestSubject, layabout, Mr. Wiggles, and Trance.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Are you following the thread at all? They're pulling a quote from your logs that makes it look like the first line wasn't written in the Messenger QT. How did that happen?

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DrH was being a slow piece of crap and not setting up the QT between me and GK very quickly. He PMed me and told me to set it up myself and send him the link. I did so, but I he didn't reply (and neither did Oats) and GK didn't post in the thread, so I wrote up a post and stepped out. Later, DrH PMed the link to GK and we used the QT I set up.

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Also zare you don't seem to get the idea behind this QT. I'm probably one of the best scumhunters on TL. Although if I agree on reads I would appreciate your help, the purpose of this QT is to see what your thought process is like, and to get better insight into what you think. You are not my top town-read, you are just a townread I have that a lot of people think are scum. Since I'm already outed to the thread, it makes the most sense to mason you and try to learn more about your thought process.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Yeah, no problem. I'm down with talking more except you were busy at the same time that I was free, so we couldn't really discuss things.

I'm open to talk more later but nwo I have to go do some stuff. Ask me any private Q's you want in the meantime if you want.

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On March 20 2013 10:33 Coagulation wrote:
the butt hurt in this thread is getting thick. I can hardly walk in it. assholes and elbows deep in butt hurt

rofl

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so that slip from TPS about coag's alignment imo seals it for me. his last post or so has been more reasonable, but there's no good explanation for that slip other than "TPS is scum and knows coag is town". I'll be continuing to push him. I'm pretty sure I can convince people at this point

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Honestly, I think even if you're onto something, nobody will listen to you because it looks like you are tunneling him and you've been fairly abrasive with VE and TPS.

I think it would go a long way if you were to list some other people you also thought to be scum, and mentioned why, and then explained why your scum read on TPS is still the best read.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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I like the case on WoS a lot right now. His slip is pretty similar to TPS's slip, actually. I wonder if there's something there.

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looks like TPS has claimed cop with a blue check on WoS, which means we aren't lynching either of them today. VE seems to have claimed 3p so it's highly clear what we shoudl be doing here.

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er, vice-versa: WoS has claimed cop with a blue check on TPS

so no need to lynch WoS, he'll be shot tonight anyways. TPS probably also. It's only a problem if they live for a few days.

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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Yeah. So this third party stuff seems really sloppy on VE's end - I mean, why post the logs revealing that you are a traitor? It seems pretty stupid to me. I'm honestly not going to spend much more time worrying about VE until the night actions go crazy tonight. Scum feel no pressure if we just agree to lynch VE.

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The best solution imo is to vote for VE and aggressively FoS someone else with a big case. The fact that someone has claimed scum doesn't mean we stop the hunt

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zarepathPerson was signed in when posted
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I guess... honestly I just wish he hadn't switched. Lynching third party players just seem like a waste of a lynch to me. Mafia has 2 KP; we need to get rid of them first, imo.

Either way, I think most of town has now moved on to looking at other players, so as long as we're discussing potential scum, I suppose that's okay.

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now VE is like straight up making shit up

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So I am liking a testsubject lynch for tmr. He's been straight-up lurking to avoid confrontation, and now this OMGUS. I'm going to push him through the night in case I get shot. Is your read on him still null-scum, or have you updated it?

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glurio has definitely been actively lurking. He's posting a bit but mostly to sheep the town opinion (especially with the WoS situation). The fact that he's starting to weigh in and take sides now, after the claiming-dust has settled, imo is scummy. That being said, I'm not interested in lynching him at this moment, because my other scumreads are much more sure. Last night you noted a townread on glurio because of his willingness to check metas and defending you, but simply defending you shouldn't be the only basis for a twonread, and meta is pretty easy for scum to fake. Have you updated your read on him given his activity today or is it still the same?

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I've gone from feeling sure to feeling iffy on Vivax-- although I initially found him quite scummy, I now agree with what you said last night about him: he puts too much effort into way-too-shitty cases to be anything but a confused townie. Especially that thing "analysing" my timestamps from my logs. if he were scum he'd know there was nothing to find, but if he were town he'd be confused by the timestamps and think I fabricated them if he misread the timezones. Was he wrong and bone-headed? yeah, sure. But the _way_ he was wrong, and his mindset that's revealed, show him to be town. Is your read consistent with that?

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I will admit, also, that I feel a small amount of doubt on the VE lynch. Nothing I'd reveal in thread of course, but the point is, VE is at this point unreadable/compromised on everything. I have no idea what he's thinking or doing, or how his logic functions. Nothing he's done has made sense, and these upcoming "megacases" dont' have meaning. We have to flip him at this point if we want to know if anything he's ever said was true. so that doubt is meaningless but still :/

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To clarify, I'm not saying "lynch VE regardless of alignment" but rather that he is surrounded by doubt and non-ransparency. The only way this could come about is that he is scum. The mindset just doesnt match up.

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Hey man this is kind of a critical time, it would be good to have someone to bounce ideas off of, or for you to at least let me know what you're thinking. I still stand by my initial meta read of GK, but he's under a lot of pressure. I don't think he's gonna get lynched, at least, but I have doubts now anyways. bleh

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:00 GMT

#2075

On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun.

You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias.

yeah well dealing with you is the opposite of productive

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 04:11 GMT

#2081

On March 21 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote:

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U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish

yeah i'm tired of dealing with this obvscum and his 'tude

##unvote
##vote testsubject893

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:18 GMT

#2086

I don't like his weird push on VE (his reasoning, not the push) but other than that he's just one of many lurkers. not an optimal lynch imo

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:19 GMT

#2087

Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:21 GMT

#2094

On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote:

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Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his?

show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early

Wade Fell

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March 21 2013 04:25 GMT

#2099

On March 21 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:

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it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless.

He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:28 GMT

#2102

townish, too abrasive for your scum.

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:28 GMT

#2103

and yes you can be abrasive as scum but there you go

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:29 GMT

#2105

On March 21 2013 13:28 DarthPunk wrote:

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Lol are you for real? Have you not see me play scum?

i'm for real

we've had shit-flinging competitions i know you man

Wade Fell

United States501 Posts

March 21 2013 04:32 GMT

#2109

On March 21 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:

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Right well you should know that I am abrasive as scum as well.

I know but 1) you are also abrasive as town 2) the cases on you are bs

ps being town doesn't mean you're good is till have the same general opinion of you i always do

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