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On March 16 2013 14:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke. I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today. However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement. I also made the post before night flip + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:12 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:05 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote:On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.
I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!? I certainly hope so, cuz I'm beginning to agree with promato. -S4 that I am leaning towards ObliviousEyes scum. (assuming that wave missed it) It's too late for me to make a good post right now, and I still need to catch up from being away for the evening, so I'll be around early-mid day tomorrow.
Wave is not excused unfortunately. He just pulled some scummy BS on me, and you better tell him to drag his rear-end in here.
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On March 16 2013 14:51 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You'll have to excuse Wave. He hadn't spoken with me about our/my reads before making that post. He was operating under the assumption that reads were the same from the last time we spoke.
Also wait. What the hell does this mean?
How does that excuse Wave at all? He presumably was suspicious of me (since apparently you're collaborating) for associative reasons, and uf he was reading the thread, he would have known that Dirk was NK'd. Who cares if he didn't speak with you - that just shows he hasn't been reading the thread and is flinging suspicion around arbitrarily.
I agree with my other half's sentiment that I don't get why they would kill Dirk when he was more than likely being killed today.
However, I also recognize that much of my suspicion on Newbie was because I thought Dirk was scum (hence why I wanted to kill dirk first). This is under mental advisement.
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This is a complete non-answer. What is your read on me? What is this "under mental advisement" junk?
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On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote:
It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing.
Contrary? He didn't even give an opinion.
VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions.
The above isn't "contrary" - it's a non-answer and a borderline soft-push.
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Alright. Well tell WoS to make himself available, because his ass is mine tomorrow.
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On March 16 2013 15:14 FiveTouch wrote:Also, rofl @ Hapa repeating my points about the case against them 
Huh? Where? I thought I was being original =(
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For now I will fix my(/our) play and contribute in fewer, more meaningful amounts, because it is all we can muster right now.
Nononononono.
No.
You will not post less. I don't care if you're promising a "higher quality" of posting - I need to see you active in the thread. You do not have the luxury be a lurker right now. Tomorrow, we are going to have a long, spammy chat in which I will figure out if what you did was indeed a "derp" moment or a pile of scummy BS.
Fuck discussion with your partner. I want to figure out what you think.
In addition, I want to see more of the WoS that had a 16 page filter in Mafia LX.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&user=66004
Bring that to me.
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And to be clear, if I do not have this long spammy chat with you, I will see to it that you're hanged.
What you're doing now is so different from Mafia LX that I could justify lynching you just on the activity difference.
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On March 16 2013 15:33 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You're not going to get anything of the sort.
The whole point of this being a Hydra mafia game is that it's a two person TEAM against other two person TEAMS. I believe I pointed that out before. You're welcome to try and get your reads based on my posts v. Soniv's or marv's vs Keirathi's. But you'll have to take them with a grain of salt every time because there is always going to be collaboration.
That's the name of the game.
PS. It was more than a 'derp' moment and I'm not proud of it. I'm willing to accept that it looked scummy as all fuck and have you vote for us and move on and the help the rest of town that may not be completely fixated on us. Or you mislynch us anyway and maybe you can actually get something useful from it. There is no constructed bullshit; I'm saying what I feel and that's all there is to it.
So you're going to deliberately make it harder for me to read you because you want to cling to the notion that this is a "team" game?
Uhh no.
Newsflash: proving yourself town is going to help your team a lot more than offering me 3-4 heavily constructed posts. You'll notice that no one else in the game is making such posts. Everyone else here is pretty much posting freely and on the fly (well except for VE/OO, who we all think is scum).
So if you'd like to deliberately do something anti-town because you think this is a "team game," you better be prepared to accept the consequences for it.
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On March 16 2013 15:38 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Quick.
QUICK!
I don't have a fucking clue. Soniv and I discussed OE a little but there's going to have to be more discussion (and way the fuck more re-reading of the thread on my part) before we come to any real conclusions. I'm honestly lost in this game trying to go on everything I know so far about TL mafia because this is completely different from any other game I've played, and you all are posting and reading based on you all knowing each other, which I do not.
You don't have to make reads based on our methodology. Use your own. You don't have a history with us, that's cool. However scumhunting is not limited to player history. Unfortunately between the two of you, you've offered us very little of well... any type of scumhunting.
Perhaps you're confused by the whole Hydra thing. That's understandable. However, you're going to have to compensate for that by being open and active. If you are town, going into a shell is not going to help you here. Come in tomorrow having read the thread, and have a nice little chat with me. I only want to know what you're thinking, and you have no reason to hide that if you're town.
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On March 16 2013 15:53 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright, fair points I suppose. It's funny, but if you want to call the way we've been playing so far retreating into a shell, it arguably worked better for us than saying what I think, considering how much I fucking blew it.
Well lurking is not a viable strategy in the long-term. Also townies "blow it" all the time. In fact I like when they do, because it forces them into a situation where their allignment becomes pretty obvious. In your case, I have yet to find out, but I will in due time.
I can't say for certain you'll get what you want tomorrow, but you'll get something at least.
Well it's on you to prove to us that you're town. I'm more than willing to give you every platform and opportunity to do so, but that requires activity on your end.
The effort you put in this cycle will be of great importance to the town. If you're town, just sit back, relax, and play like you did in Mafia LX. Or even Newbie XXXVII.
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I agree with my other head on the casters them not taking that new info of the flip is complete bs and shows the suspicion on us was simply scripted and they are not actually trying to figure out alignments
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Ve what you think of this caster stuff?
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i will open it to everyone i guess
Casters totes scum? yay or nay
+ Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.
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On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim?
I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet
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On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it?
So what are you?
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On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper
Who did you jail and any crumbs?
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On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
Looks to derpy to be from scum to me. I'll have to see what hapa thinks.
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On March 17 2013 02:41 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:36 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question. Looks to derpy to be from scum to me. I'll have to see what hapa thinks. ಠ_ಠ You haven't seemed shy at all up until this point. Why do you suddenly need to collaborate with hapa? Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:37 DrParnassus wrote:
can you apply a little bit more red to your reads? there are 2 scum in the game, your reads should account for that. many people here have developed 2 strong scum reads just by eliminating their strong town reads. you should have at least 2, maybe even 3 people who you think have a good chance of being scum I leave people null if I think they have a chance of being scum. I don't know who the 2nd scum is, so I'm not just going to pick a name out of a hat to give to you right now. -S4
Because I get confused when people do stuff that makes no sense but unlike a normal game I can discuss it with a confirmed town.
But I told you what my gut says and it's usually pretty good.
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On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
I can't promptly respond when I'm driving and posting on my phone at red-lights.
As for your claim... it doesn't mean much. There's zero way for me to verify that you're telling the truth. In addition, I don't understand at all why you'd try to go and block the mafia shot instead of saving one of your strongest town reads. I assume you thought that FiveTouch was town all yesterday, and he seemed like the very obvious NK choice. Why didn't you go after him?
This blue-claim is just really really strange all around. I've never seen someone go "whoops I blue slipped in the least subtle way possible, guess I have to claim now." It reads as very forced, and I can see it as fake really easily. Thus I need to make reads on the rest of your behavior right now, which doesn't help your case much.
For one, you're not providing any analysis. Both you and WoS are more than capable of writing cases and justifying your opinions, but I've seen very little of it this game.
For example this post:
On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things.Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.-S4
The only thing that constitutes an actual read here is your line on OE, and that's pretty paltry. There has to be something else in his filter you can draw from.
Other than that, your other reads are statements, and NOT reads. For example your null/slight-town read on me - you say my pressure seems townie, but make no attempt to justify it. Hell if it seems townie, why do you post stuff like this?
On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
You say my pressure is townie, but cast suspicion on it? It's not coherent and makes very little sense.
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