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On March 18 2013 13:27 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Scum RB + Framer is a perfectly plausible setup. How is it unlikely? The Framer is effectively a goon if we don't have a cop. Also, how a mafia goon fake-claiming in their spot implausible? I didnt say it was implausible, i said it was plausible but unlikely. hmmm the framer is only goon IF a cop isnt present.. and that i have no idea about, havnt been looking for any roles. all i know is promato had a cooked up theory at the start of the game for role claims due to named VT. which VE jumped all over and supported (curiously enough).. thats highly suspect to me. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote: Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once. Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine. Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight. Lol.. you're not at the level of Dr.H or Palmar | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:33 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: You claimed VT. You believe that Golems is Jailer. Speaking of implausible setups, do you really believe that VT + Jailer + Cop is plausible? i dont know how 9 player games are rolled? I am only familiar with C9++ I think jailer + cop is fuckn inbalanced though; so i would hope that doesnt role.. but if its true RNG it is possible. Its not even clear the # of blue roles (OP says, 0, 1 or 2).. all i know is ima regular mr. vanilla (moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:45 DrParnassus wrote: lol goddamn. everyone go smoke a blunt ffs /thrawn Cant @ work | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote: Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems. Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it. I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though. Sure but i dont think u guys give yourself enough credit for the fear you could invoke in scum. I mean think about it.. scum woulda knoew hardpec were town; so 2 supervet teams are town against VE; how does it make sense for balance for VE/OO to be paired with another newbie-ish team like casting or moology? Prome/VE at least offers some threat to palmar/marv (moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote: EBWOP: can't* EBWOP can not | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:53 Promato wrote: Golems: not reading the op is very different from not reading your own role pm. Don't equate one with the other. Regardless of what I think about you; that point can not be ignored. | ||
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On March 18 2013 14:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Sooo... what exactly is your stance on Casters now? My current stance from process of elimination is that scum is sitting with (Promato/Casters) Without the role PM debacle, I was heavily favoured towards Promato. With this new item of information, it has skewed towards 50/50. I need to do a detailed re-read when i get home and will post our thoughts before the night ends. (moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 14:31 FiveTouch wrote: Thats the tell for me. I played liek 3 or 4 VE games in a row. I pegged him successfully in Nomination not for a specific quote in his filter, but because of a vibe I get from him as scum. I was getting the same vibe from him in this game.. As town VE is confident to be 'wrong" and probably discusses his ideas TOO MUCH... as scum, that confidence/openess in his play doesnt exist. When I wrote im not seeing the activity, that was what I was referring to. So i dont think it was a "meh" comment; its just one that wasnt grossly detailed.So, Moology. I want you to walk me through your sudden scum read of VE. I'm looking back through your filter, and you didn't mention VE even once until your "last will" post, and then it was just a "meh, he's not being very active". But the Dirk flip suddenly painted a big read target onto VE for you. Why exactly? You said that a newbie wouldn't have killed Dirk, so it was probably one of the more "vet'ish" players. So, why not me/marv, whom you had actually been suspcious throughout the day? Hell, looking back, I don't even see any reason that you dropped the suspicion of us. The only thing I can think of is that thread sentiment started painting us as town, so you quit pursuing your suspicions. I can tell you I have no clue why Dirk was shot; but i dont know where i said newbies wouldnt shoot him? I said if the teams were not true RNG'd, its unlikely for a newbie team to be paired with VE/newbie and have 3 supervets in the game + a couple highly experienced players.My read on you changed as I read your posts. Nothing to do with thread sentiment. Most of the convos happening in this game are when I am not around. Im not going to make a random post that I have a town read on FT. Openly town play, is openly town play. But, there's still Hapa too. Why wouldn't Hapa/iamp have made that kill? They've both been around TL for 8-9 months and are quite familiar with Palmar/bugs. Or hell, even Soniv (who, while IMO is not the best player around, he's still been around for a very long time and should know the reputations of bugs/palmar/marv/ve etc)? Fuck knows. I can say with all honesty; I got no idea the context for that NK.. I even said i didnt get why a scum VE would shoot hardpec, who was his sole target? Once VE stopped posting, it was clear he was scum; but that decision still doesnt make sense to me.Basically, you're reasoning is bad because there aren't really very many "newbies" in this game. Your team is by far the newest players, and maybe Thrawn/Oats being second. But even thrawn has been around in a while. I dunno what you classify as a newbie; but OmniEulogy still plays in the Newbie league. So explain why that single event suddenly made VE 100% scum instead of anyone else? Its in the filter. OE detailed it in my opinion, explicitly. What do you want a walk through over?(moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 14:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom. Wrong.. Looking real hard to logically determine the truth. As I said, when I get home and do a re-read will post updated thoughts. (moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 15:08 Promato wrote: Moo is mafia That's all I have to say about this game Wagon of justice, gogogogogogo. Yeah, and thats precisely why VE in his filter of 3 pages; was pretty much the only team to join ya plan of outting blue roles. That interaction there pretty much says it all. Keeping trying to manipulate the situation though; its actually giving me some motivation to play this game instead of laddering. I love pegging yamato scum (cos i already pegged prome scum no worries) | ||
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On March 18 2013 15:14 FiveTouch wrote: @moology: I'm not talking about what you said recently. I'm talking specifically about what you were saying around the end of night 1/ start of day 2. The only thing that took VE from a very weak "I'm only throwing him in here because he hasn't been very active" read in your Last Will post, to being sure he was scum was "the Dirk NK doesn't make sense fr anyone but VE". Those are exact thoughts from your filter, and I just don't see that making sense. Also, it is very specifically in your filter that you didn't think the dirk NK could have come from Hapa. Did a filter read: those comments are all from Omni. I thought what he wrote was pretty explicit. Im heading to a meeting anyways, so best thing with those series of posts would be to query Omni directly. (moc) | ||
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First off I'd like to say that you guys are right and this game does end in 24 hours. BUT IT DOESN'T END THE WAY THE REST OF YOU THINK! LOL I'd just like to thank Mocsta out in the open for listening to my request in our QT <3. Reading through this has made it all worth while. You guys need to chill when the game is won and we've still got 24 hours. Well... like.. 16 now. I'm gonna go back to sleep. I'll make one more post before the end of this cycle and then we can all win together. | ||
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its time to claim, Omni and myself decided this is the best course of action to ensure a town victory. ====================== + Show Spoiler [Role] + ====================== | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote: I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant  Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:27 FiveTouch wrote: The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv Well im 100% against it.. frankly I think it would come together much more Day 3.. but whatevs i cant force Omni to not post; he basically said he gonna post it when im asleep lol so i dont rage at him in the QT (moc) | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:30 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: want to give us a hint to what it is? Sure On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote: hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. | ||
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On March 18 2013 23:32 FiveTouch wrote: Given there's a decent chance I'll be dead by tomorrow, I'd like to be given the chance to process any information in this night phase. I know you've kinda talked about it before but I'd like you to talk about the evolution of your OE read. At the end of Night 1 he wasn't even in your top 4 in terms of interest, and yet as soon as Day started you sheeped me immediately on to him. Promato and Dirk were your top reads, and yet all of a sudden you were siding with Promato against OE. Why? ~marv The last will was "MY" last will.. nothing to do with Omni. (Thought it was clear with the bold font) When the NK happened, i wasnt even around all those posts were from Mr. Omni.. henceforth why I suggested to Kei to request Omni to explain his thought process. But as for my read on VE... I got a fair idea of his current town play.. and i just get a vibe from him when he is scum.. just like in Mafia LIX gonzaw smooth talked me into giving him my mayor vote.. i just get the same greasiness from a scum VE.. cept now I know to reverse how I feel, and hey presto. i got scum.. its not specific quotes for me.. its a gut feeling that makes me want to like him. I was pretty content witht he vote on him; and then analyse what he did under the pressure... the response of "nothing" made it clear to me he was scum and i guess couldnt be fucked anymore. I dont blame that. its a small setup; good players.. stuck with a newbie.. why bother? For me.. even though I dont care too much about this game.. i havent been mislynched before.. and dotn want to be mislynched now.. so trying to beef up the effort more and become motivated cos yes, we became complacent when we became confident VE was scum. I can admit that. (moc) | ||
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