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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 21:47 GMT
#591
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.

I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about.
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:02 GMT
#596
On March 16 2013 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 06:50 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
@ VE

Is OO going to give his thoughts as well? You said you're posting your collective last will and testament, yet said that these were your own reads.

Secondly:
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT - Hapa's posting certainly made me feel better about the slot, but ultimately both heads of this hydra pretty much all but disappeared from the thread in the hours leading up to the lynch. Considering the target was a townie, and the fact that it was originally NXXXIOQT that brought up the lurker lynch in the first place (DrP mentioned Witty, but NXXXIOQT was the one who ultimately brought Witty to FT's attention, which is in my opinion the original genesis of the lurker wagon) I'm going with my initial instinct on this slot - that NXXXIOQT was only interested early on in shoveling shit into the thread for no purpose other than make it unreadable.


I'd understand if you thought our collective passivity made us scummy, but this doesn't make very much sense.

1) You say we're trying to make the thread "unreadable" by "shoveling shit" or whatever. You seem to be the only person in this thread with that attitude. No one else here has had problems with our posting, and in fact it's been less than normal for the both of us. Hell this game is really readable. There are only 30 pages of filter for crying out loud.
2) I was active in the hours leading up to the lynch. Whats with this "dissappearence" thing?
3) So what if I pushed the Witty lynch? He was scummy as fuck, and you agreed with us yourself. Me pushing a lynch of a player who didn't give a crap about the game is completely normal, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.


As I said, I'm not sure if OO intends to give his reads as well. I didn't ask him what he intended to do because I intended to give at the very least MY thoughts.

1) That's my initial read of iamp's post at FT re: "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum" followed by your post expecting "AN EPIC BATTLE". I told you then that was my impression, and you're using the fact that you changed this behavior after I called you out on it as evidence of your innocence? Mkaaay...

2) That was my impression from reading the thread. Perhaps that's because of your absolute refusal to comment on my read of Dirk, and my push to get him lynched instead of the lurker. Looking back you're right, you were there pushing the lurker as hard as you could, so that's my mistake. But taken with the fact that I consider you to be the original genesis of the "kill the lurker" sentiment, that hardly changes my view of the situation.

3) I didn't agree that he was scummy as fuck, this is a misrepresentation. I said that I didn't like how he appeared to be buddying me early on, but that I agreed with something else in his play so I was ":/" re: the lurker. In normal circumstances I'd certainly agree with you, but in this particular case I felt like the case on Dirk was much stronger than "this guy isn't posting because meta".


-.-
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:03 GMT
#597
On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 05:42 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.

~Keir


'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions.

I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus.


Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything.


I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch.

On March 16 2013 06:50 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
@ VE

Is OO going to give his thoughts as well? You said you're posting your collective last will and testament, yet said that these were your own reads.
-snip-


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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:05 GMT
#599
On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.

I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about.


weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later.


IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!?
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:11 GMT
#600
What the fuck ever, I'll probably die overnight anyway and you can all eat shit while still roundly ignoring my posts.
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:23 GMT
#603
On March 16 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not my fucking job to defend people I think are town, the fact that Prom thinks that my reasoning given for thinking he and yamato are town is "not good enough" is fucking retarded, and if you agree with him you should feel bad. Yamato has a shitty read on me based on something he noticed about ONE game and he thinks he has my "scum meta pinned" or some kind or idiocy, and he has NO FUCKING IDEA what he's talking about. The only person I think MIGHT have a grasp on my scum play in this game is Marv, and he picked me out DAY ONE in Nomination, the very game Yamato is touting as his proof that he can read me. GUESS WHAT YAMATO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I'M TOWN. YOUR TELL DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I AT NO POINT EVER "PUSHED" A TOWN WAGON, I WAS PUSHING THE DIRK SCUM WAGON AS HARD AS I COULD. SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?!

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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 22:41 GMT
#605
That's not the implication at all - I was saying that if you're town (as I suspect), then my reasoning for thinking people are scum should outweigh any kind of reasoning for thinking you're town. You're reading intent into my post (you are threatening me) that is not there. You're wrong.

You never commented on ANY of the content in my post. That IS suspicious, but if your read of me is genuine, it's at least understandable. That's why I asked if this shit is for fucking real - because I need to know if you're being fucking dumb or malicious. The fact that you're in here trying to justify that laughably bad post is evidence that it's the former. Now to determine if it's because you're town and actually think I'm scum, or if it's because you're scum trying to discredit me.

Fucking bullshit, I had you guys so firmly green before Prom. I am disappoint.
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 08:50 GMT
#721
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I tuned the spam down here but my play is still largely the same style. I still haven't shaken it. I almost feel like it's not any different than how Kurumi feels compelled to emulate Chezinu, or how Palmar can barely be arsed to play D1. If you're calling this hydra scummy because of something I did, guess what -- join the club of just about every single other person I've ever played a game with. Shit, even Marv thought I was scum in LX and he wasn't even playing.

I get the feeling that VE wanted to be more into this game but things were so slow for long periods of time that there hasn't been much to add, at least from my perspective. Call it re-adjusting from the big game I was just in. There were several periods like that on D1, first half of N1 was relatively quiet. I can see where VE was coming from with his caps-lock thing earlier. I've personally gotten over being called scum at this point because it happens Every. Single. Game. Is it all that often that people jump on VE for stupid little shit comments? So whatever, that out of the way, I'll give you my latest thoughts and then there will be the performance art portion of the post.

Current major concerns:
Yamato is getting really self-congratulatory with his deduction that this is somehow a scum VE. Also, what does this even mean?
On March 16 2013 04:34 Promato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 16:32 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Consider this defense as "obligatory" because yamato literally just said I'm his top scumread.
  • I'm pushing Dirk because I think he's scum. I was the only person voting for him at the end of the day and you call him an "easy target"? Get real bro. He's easy now, sure. Everyone wants a piece of Dirk now that their "easy" target didn't work out. I tried to get Dirk lynched, and he had a chance of being lynched which is evident from how "easy" a target you perceive Dirk to be now.
  • Earlier on I wasn't liking his casting style but progressively Golems has grown less general and more focused imo. We're talking about it presently actually. He thinks he found something, and he's someone I'm filtering.

Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding?

Why are we ignoring this guy?

Again, I repeat, VE does that soft push of town's wagon thing all the fucking time as mafia. I would be shocked if he was town.

VE was soft pushing by telling you that you should have voted the clearly scummy Dirk Hardpec? The guy who kept us in the loop that he would have something useful tomorrow? DH, who clearly didn't care enough about the town to leave anything at all with us before end of night? So now you're telling me we're scum because the guy we voted for ended up being town? BOTH PLAYERS were equally viable candidates yesterday, and everyone seemed to agree with Marv that someone who posted a little and promised more was more valuable than someone who hadn't posted and was cruising for a warning. Yamato is accusing us retroactively of our pushing a lynch on town or somehow VE's post pushing for town to lynch their own choice who ended up town. This is just kind of... okay, the first is true no matter what because DH ended up dying and flipping town, but what the fuck does the second choice say about our choice? OH WE'RE BAD BECAUSE OUR LYNCH CHOICE WAS A TOWNIE WHO GOT NIGHTKILLED? Does it occur to you that we now become the easiest mislynch of the day as the only remaining vote on DH? That's a really spectacular setup by scum and congratulations on that effort, it seems to be working out quite well given the general sentiment already. It was only a matter of time before that vote was mentioned so here I am telling you that if I had to do it again, I personally still would have voted for DH. Someone who has proven that they are information hiding D1 is not someone I feel comfortable keeping around because that behavior doesn't and shouldn't fly on any other night.

-OO
+ Show Spoiler [performance art portion] +

Four years and thirteen months ago our forefathers brought to this great message board, TL Mafia, concieved in entertainment, and dedicated to the purpose that all towns are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing wether this town, or any town so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that game. We have come to dedicate a portion of that game as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives, that that town might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we cannot hallow -- this town. The brave townsmen, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far about our poor power to hunt and lurk. The board will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what we did here. It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who played here have thus far so nobly improved. It is rather for for us to be here, dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under Ver and Ace, shall have a new birth of justice -- and that a town of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from this town.
- + Show Spoiler +
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 09:47 GMT
#722
Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO

##Vote: Promato
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 10:02 GMT
#724
On March 16 2013 18:49 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 18:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO

##Vote: Promato


OMGUS.

Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons?

Have I not shown that his attack vector is flawed?

How about this?
On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote:
Not to sound too know-it-all, but I did have my reservations about this lynch, as shown in my posts so far this game.

What does this achieve at all? If he knew better, why didn't he push someone, anyone else? Hell he could have made a case on me for my summary posts that would have been just as valid and pushed for me, but instead we have Promato (Prome at the time) going with the flow and dismissing it nonchalantly after the fact. Saying he knew better and doing something about it are two separate things. I get he's playing two games, has a sick girlfriend, has school or work or whatever, but he himself went along with the Witty vote regardless. So he had reservations about it? What about the part where he said Adam claimed scum?
On March 14 2013 12:03 Promato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 11:54 WittyHydraName wrote:
Im strugging to find the motivation to follow this game, between Heart of the Swarm and a pretty big burnout after Duel.

Ill give you my thoughts in an hour or two.


Adam.



I really consider this a scum claim from Adam. Maybe he really is burnt out, but town Adam is almost always loud about the lynch and has opinions. Scum Adam does nothing. This looks like scum Adam. As Marv said, this hydra is insanely easy to catch and I'm not surprised their collective effort is so small.
-snip-

Seemed fairly convinced there. If he had doubts it was his duty to convince us otherwise, or at least put us on another train of thought. Never happened as far as I can see. Saying he had doubts after the fact is patting himself on the back and letting us know he actually thought they were town, but went for their lynch anyway.

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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 11:02 GMT
#727
On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote:
its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you.

I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day.


Pretty confident he isn't going to die here on N1, so why even mention town power roles, especially in reference to himself? He's talking about town power roles out of the blue (pun lol) and is 100% confident he's not getting night killed. Not even a question, just straight up no, he knew he wasn't going to die. Even a quick list off the top of his head would have been more useful than this.
-OO
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 11:17 GMT
#728
I apply a little pressure and this is what I get?
On March 16 2013 19:57 yamato77 wrote:
I'll post in this game tomorrow, and destroy VE/OO.

Until then, think about nomination and what happened to VE when I accused him.

Squirm, scum. Squirm. Come back when you're finished consulting your teammates.
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ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 16 2013 11:38 GMT
#731
On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote:
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it.


I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all.

If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears.

~marv

I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions.
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