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That's....fine. I can get behind that. I would like you to respond to my previous point though.
On March 13 2013 13:56 ObliviousEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 12:30 Moology wrote:
DrP.
What is disappointing is that the thread is 2 pages long, and you missing things.
Even Thrawn acknowledged that not many have posted.
You say I haven't scum hunted, when its early Day1 and you're the only hydra online... Think about what you are saying Oats before you speak up pl0x.
All you guys have done in regards to moology is throw down a stupid vote, and disregard all context.
Theres a simple reason; VE hydra & iamp hydra said marv vote was stupid. I also happen to agree with that reason.
Because the vote was bullshit in the first place.
Why you guys decided to run with it, I have no idea. But go ahead and enlighten me.
(moc) Whoa there tiger. I never said marv vote was stupid. That's a either a misunderstanding or a LIE. I said that NewbieXXXIObsQT's comment on marv's read like stirring up shit. Something I was hoping someone would comment on...but no one did. NewbieXXXIObsQT - please explain what you mean by "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum".
I never thought marv's vote was bad. Ever. In fact, I kinda liked it because it immediately demanded response due to the emotional nature of it, while still being a valid criticism of your play so early on.
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-VE
(guys do I have to keep doing this?)
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For the moment I would take it as a Palmar troll...although I have to admit that's a REALLY good syllo impression.
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Well the thing is I think he was reacting more to the RolePM line than the "first" comment. Claiming not to read your role PM, whether honest or a joke, is bullshit (Hi Palmar).
The question becomes "would townMarv jump on something small early on to kick off discussion" vs "would scumMarv draw attention to himself by jumping on something so small early on". For me the answer is yes to both questions. It seems the answer is no to the first and yes to the second for you based on your post, does your read of him change if he was referring to the role PM post rather than the "first" post?
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Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote.
Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now.
Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read.
-OO
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On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now.
Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up.
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On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc)
I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though.
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Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose.
The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone.
Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo.
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Oh I get it. PALMAR is sad he missed Personality 2.
Okay so... What does that mean? That doesn't make him scum. It definitely doesn't make him town.
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I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum.
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On March 15 2013 05:51 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Geeeeez caster still has their vote on Moology? Man.
Yeah no kidding, I was just rethinking on my comment from before and was like "Where are the Golems?" 25 hours later... maybe they're not just roleplaying game casters but also conjoined twins being kept ransom? Fuck it, I'm not gonna pay up. I AM NOT ENTERTAINED.
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If you like Dirk for lynch Golems, why don't you join me? You're the one talking about us having time for switch-back shenannies, put your money where your mouth is.
The last time I saw Dirk playing similar to this game was.....fuck whatever, that mini where I was scum with marv. Palmar and Bugs were at each other's throats the whole of D1, but they both gave at least cursory opinions of other players. There's none of that this game. They're hiding in their FT tunnel, and it's scummy as fuck.
LYNCH DIRK YOU FUCKS
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There's not enough 
Give me a reason Dirk is town. In spite of there being ~5x more material, I bet you can't.
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YES PLEASE THREATEN RAGEQUIT THAT'S THE FUCKING SPIRIT BITCH
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On March 15 2013 08:25 FiveTouch wrote:
In fact if it was you who actually started the case on Witty, that in many ways makes the game much easier.
ObsQT planted and watered it, you (marv half) indulged with sunlight, and then DrParn started selling Witty-flowers on street corners. Actually that whole thing is interesting, look at the timeline from where it starts here. 2 votes within five minutes. Everything there looks all above board on that page, it was a natural extension of the conversation.
In other news, I want to share my perspective on Golems. I said I liked them earlier but this is my day-in-review for them.
This reads like a soft newbie claim:
On March 13 2013 22:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Also, I'm noticing that DrParnassus has switched his vote many many times already this game. Thoughts on his motivations, Soniv?
I'm not sure yet. But if he's trying to puff up and look like a threat to people, I would say it's not working. Switching votes so often and quickly is worthless in my eyes - it creates a "boy who cried wolf" effect. In the future, if he ever REALLY wants to make a case, I'm not sure if people will take him seriously.
The caster personality role-play is obfuscating it a bit but it's not the only time in the thread that Golems has been not exactly following what was playing out in the thread. As the conversation was just kicking into gear:
On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that?
Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening.
Feigning contribution with more summary.
On March 14 2013 04:56 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright everyone, we have to head out until later this evening but we promise to give the crowd and the Newbies alike what they want. What kind of casters would we be, after all, if our purpose wasn't to provide entertaining information about people in a game?
Gone for a few hours turned into 25 hours. If they are operating individually this is really inexcusable in this setup.
The caster personality thing, while interesting, is not doing Golems any favors when it comes to methodology. Soft newbie claim and not understanding how early game works? I don't get it. They've both played mafia before. It looks like feigning contribution. The hardest stance he took was on Moology and it was meta-related. The meta isn't fleshed out, no examples are given, and combined with the newbie claim I really can't take a meta argument seriously from this slot. So I'm left with zero real contributions and an extended absence for a 2-person team. Leaning scum here right now.
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@Moology
I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec.
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On March 15 2013 09:49 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 09:44 ObliviousEyes wrote:
@Moology
I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec.
-OO Yes correct.. I meant, who do they suggest is a good alternative. (moc)
Oh, you are talking about the period during the question to hosts? Gotcha, I thought you meant said he actually voted for Dirk, not suggested him as an alternative during his question-to-the-hosts period. Still re-reading and pretty tired, my misunderstanding.
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Consider this defense as "obligatory" because yamato literally just said I'm his top scumread.
- I'm pushing Dirk because I think he's scum. I was the only person voting for him at the end of the day and you call him an "easy target"? Get real bro. He's easy now, sure. Everyone wants a piece of Dirk now that their "easy" target didn't work out. I tried to get Dirk lynched, and he had a chance of being lynched which is evident from how "easy" a target you perceive Dirk to be now.
- Earlier on I wasn't liking his casting style but progressively Golems has grown less general and more focused imo. We're talking about it presently actually. He thinks he found something, and he's someone I'm filtering.
Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding?
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The Last Will And Testament of ObliviousEyes
There are a couple of points that I want to raise before starting. First, after a long discussion with my other head, I've come to the conclusion that this game is much deeper than I'd originally anticipated. I quickly realized that while our ultimate reads of a couple of players were the same, we disagreed on a few key players for various reasons…but chiefly among them was the fact that we have differing reads between heads of hydras, and we disagreed on the implications of this. I subscribe to the school of thought that we should be reading the slot and not trying to read the individual players at this point, mainly because early on I was having conflicting reads between heads (Oats/thrawn, iamp/Hapa). OO however has been trying to read the players rather than the intentions of the slot which is an interesting approach, but ultimately useless in my opinion because there are some players (Hapa, marv, Bugs) who are going to be able to look townie regardless of their actual alignment.
We decided that we are going to continue to take different approaches to scum hunting moving forward. I feel like in this way we have a better chance of missing something the other misses. But as a result, the reads I'm about to give are my reads, not OO's. We agree on a few, but these are ultimately my thoughts. I'm not aware of whether he intends to give his final thoughts, I didn't think to ask because I had intended to myself.
So without further ado:
VisceraEyes N1 Reads
Dirk Hardpec - The problem I have with their play in this game is this: they are willfully trying to remain unreadable and create confusion surrounding their slot. There is literally no town-motivated reasoning for this. All he's done is repeatedly call FT mafia for the same shitty reasoning: he's mad. WTF kind of reasoning is this? And in spite of being so certain of marv's guilt, his vote ended up on the lurker wagon?
He promises to "convince us he's town tomorrow". I think Dirk should be our lynch tomorrow unless he does no less.
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT - Hapa's posting certainly made me feel better about the slot, but ultimately both heads of this hydra pretty much all but disappeared from the thread in the hours leading up to the lynch. Considering the target was a townie, and the fact that it was originally NXXXIOQT that brought up the lurker lynch in the first place (DrP mentioned Witty, but NXXXIOQT was the one who ultimately brought Witty to FT's attention, which is in my opinion the original genesis of the lurker wagon) I'm going with my initial instinct on this slot - that NXXXIOQT was only interested early on in shoveling shit into the thread for no purpose other than make it unreadable.
Moology - Early on I was red on Moo, because of his misrepresentation of my post in his argument with DrParnassus. However, I was able to catch up with Mocsta later on and I buy that he just misunderstood my post. He hasn't done anything really overtly scummy aside from that, but I'm a little uneasy about something with Mocsta this game. Pressure this slot hard in the next phase, I have a feeling he'll tell you whether or not he's scum. He would be red, except I feel much stronger about the above two lynches and don't think Moo should be considered tomorrow unless his play tomorrow warrants it.
TLCastingGolems - I've been going back and forth with this slot. Originally I didn't like their casting, then I liked it, but now that they're not roleplaying, they seem mostly interested in defending themselves rather than looking for scum. This is another slot that should receive a lot of scrutiny in the next phase.
No one else should be considered for lynch imo.
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