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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 08 2013 10:26 GMT
#661
what I dont understand, is if you're town you'd already have a main target in mind by now. it's been like 16 ish hours since the flip which is plenty of time to brood over the events of d2; you should at least have a main suspect at this point
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 10:31 GMT
#662
Thrawn, I went afk after we lynched him and only bothered to check in if the daypost was up yet. I didn't feel like analysis at the time (something you should be able to sympathize with giving your game) and from when I woke up I didn't have enough time to do analysis until I had to head off. I'm currently in the train.
Can you finally answer the damn questions or do you not give a shit about actually thinking critically about the game.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 08 2013 10:46 GMT
#663
there's not much to say, this game hasn't required much analysis

step 1: lurk like scum thrawn and get everyone to call me scum
step 2: lynch the scummiest person who says I'm scum (jay)
step 3: wake up hungover and still a little high only to discover that somehow vivax got lynched... wtf was that, jeez
step 4: lynch the person who had a townread on the guy he hammered

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 08 2013 10:50 GMT
#664
Just poppin' in before going to work.

What I wish to say is this:
Every time I saw somebody use the argument "but it would be stupid for scum to trade 1:1 with a townie" for himself, I saw them flip scum soon after.

It looks very, very much like you just saw a "Oh boy I can hammer a TOWNIE!!" opportunity.

Surrounding arguments are wifom, in my eyes it's simply like this:
You gotta mislynch a bunch of people. And you know you gotta start somewhere.


Not voting till after, cuz I'm just that nice of a guy
+ Show Spoiler +
Nah I actually just want to hammer myself, l0l
A backwards poet writes inverse.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 08 2013 10:55 GMT
#665
On March 08 2013 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote Artanis


this vote had no chance of affecting the lynch and hapa must have known it at the time. i think it was him telling us who to lynch after he inevitably gets nk'd
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 13:46 GMT
#666
I figure there's no way you're not going to wifom yourself into lynching me either today or the next so I mind as well get lynched today. Prome will probably die tonight as he's the only one left that gives a shit about this game other than me. Prome, when you catch up, pretend you know I'm green and we'll bounce off reads on the others for a while. Should be home in 4 hours or so.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#667
Prome please motivate me to do something because knowing two of those three are town is utterly depressing.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 08 2013 17:14 GMT
#668
I'm pretty sure you are green Artanis. Your meta suggests it strongly. As hapa said in haunted and in LI you were lurker extraordinaire where as here you care and are trying to find scum, you are active, interested and for now I'm sticking with my green read on you.

I have some rules for today.
1) No one gets to hammer until I say so, we're not having a day without discussion again. I thought I was going to have to fight tooth and nail for the Vivax lynch yesterday but instead he got hammered while I was writing the second part of my case.
2)The lynch is between Dan and CC. Thrawn, you and I are having a long talk post game about your reads.
3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one.
4) I will provide my case on the one I feel is scummier in 15-16 hours when I get back from work.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 08 2013 17:16 GMT
#669
Artanis, I want you to look at day one jay interactions between dan/cc this is a short enough game that you can reread it. I already have twice. You can do it now. Start on page three, that is the day one post. Look for who pushes jay, who jay pushes and the scum mentality.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 17:22 GMT
#670
Thanks prome, you're the best <3
I'll get to it after dinner.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 08 2013 17:29 GMT
#671
On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one.

Nope.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 08 2013 17:35 GMT
#672
On March 09 2013 02:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one.

Nope.


yep. If not CC who? Who is it you find scummy? Why? (hint: if it is me, thrawn or Art you are bad)
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 08 2013 17:37 GMT
#673
On March 09 2013 02:35 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 02:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one.

Nope.


yep. If not CC who? Who is it you find scummy? Why? (hint: if it is me, thrawn or Art you are bad)

Well it gotta be you, thrawn or Art.

Guess that makes me bad.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 17:41 GMT
#674
Why are you so sure it's not Thrawn, Prome?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 08 2013 17:41 GMT
#675
I couldn't help but notice dan that you didn't actually answer my question. Which one of us is it?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 08 2013 17:45 GMT
#676
On March 06 2013 02:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 02:47 Promethelax wrote:
Hapa, you decided to not pressure anyone over three guys voting someone 2 minutes into the game, instead you decided to give them all town reads. While you might be right (or more likely, know you are right) about them all being town I don't think a town Hapa would be so quick to dismiss them and call them all town.

Thrawn, those are my options. You called me scum for not being your friend. That was your strongest argument. So either you are dumb or scum. I have you as scummy. I have Hapa as scummier. Happy?


prom, you thinking that hapa is at fault for not pressuring the early voters makes you scum.

you obviously think there is something wrong with what they (early voters) did. so why are you not questioning them? the closest you've come to doing that is calling thrawn dumb or scum. so why, if they deserve to be called out, are you not doing it? this hapa read is kinda bs and you don't have a read on me other than that my arguments should be discredited.


This reads townie all day long. Thrawn took umbrage with my posts in a very townie manner. He had a scum read for the right reasons and followed up on it in the right ways.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 08 2013 17:47 GMT
#677
On March 09 2013 02:41 Promethelax wrote:
I couldn't help but notice dan that you didn't actually answer my question. Which one of us is it?

artanis>thrawn>you
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
March 08 2013 18:05 GMT
#678
I don't think scum is in Thrawn. I'm infinitely paranoid of Prom, but we'll see who gets NK if we mislynch. Scum is either Artanis or Dandel.

There's not much of a case to be made for Dandel, mainly because he hasn't done anything.

He didn't vote for Jay, and Jay wouldn't vote for him (only talk smack about him) He was, however, super willing to get the vivax lynch going. There are a few nuances that make me think Dandel is scum:

On March 05 2013 10:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 05 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hmm, should the second blue be a named VT too, it might be worth it to claim now.

Twice as likely it's a real blue though. So, meh.


Nah not worth it. If there's a 2nd one about, you want to keep scum paranoid about a doctor or cop as long as possible.

If there's a second named, scum already know the setup in the first place, right?

Since they'd have a roleblocker, and one named is already claimed. So of two rb setups, they already know the real one.
At this point, having a "confirmed" town might be better. Also, if it then turns out there's a power-blue left over, we'd have easy pickings.

I want the easy way.

+ Show Spoiler +
this assuming drh is actually named vt. Which is... likely.


Coincidence scum had a roleblocker, mayber, but it seems like Dandel knew the setup.

On March 06 2013 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 06:44 Vivax wrote:
Prom is actually fine when people are all casual and never post something useful on their own.

What a coincidence.

Dandel, why is DrH supposed to be something else from what he claimed?

It's not that he's supposed to be. Named VT fakeclaim is just possible as mafia. Not too risky either.

Real blues won't counterclaim, named vt will still think it's a real setup.

Not discreditin' DrH here, tho it prolly sounded like that. w/e.


Why the heck would Dandel even think about this?
On March 06 2013 06:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 06:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote:
yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently.

His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax.


I want to see Artanis push his reads more though. I hate this kind of play.

@Dandel Ion

There are too many traps for a counterclaim. I'm not 100% confirmed unless I die, of course, but it would be a real bonehead move and my scum play is very careful regarding my own posting. I like to bus the shit out of my teammates and never claim.

That, imo depends on the setup.

I can see a 2goon team fakeclaiming NamedT.

Again, I'm not disbelieving YOUR claim atm, that was a bit too stupid to be scum, but it's healthy to not completely forget about that stuff.


He believes the claim, but he's speculating on whether or not the claim could be scum motivated...??

HERE'S WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING :3

On March 06 2013 09:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Going to sleep, guess I should unvote..

I'm still down for lynching vivax or jay.
Toodles.

##Unvote


^ "Hey guys I want to lynch Vivax or Jay soon"

Next post, after he wakes up:
On March 07 2013 08:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
Bah, Prom is spouting nonsense.

I am town, so is CC.

I nominate vivax, prome and thrawn as the Triumvirate of Lynch. Preferrably starting with Vivax.



^ "Hey guys I want to lynch Vivax, prom, or Thrawn!"

WHERE'D JAY GO? :3

After the red flip:

On March 08 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:
[...]
His preference of lynch choice is scummy cause it doesn't coincide with what other people thought would be the more likely to be scum, pretty obviously I think it's cause he didn't want to lynch his scumbuddy over me.

wat

sry for not sheeping others enough I guess.

I did want to lynch you over jay tho. I was down for jay too but by the time I came back to the thread, jay has been lynched for hours already. What's a brother to do.


He was NOT in the triumvirate of lynches Dandel posted. He never wanted to lynch Jay.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Dandel Ion


Because scum. Time to claim town roleblocker, Dandel.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 18:05 GMT
#679
On March 06 2013 07:48 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 06 2013 07:12 Promethelax wrote:
On March 06 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Prom why do you defend someone who has not been contributing anything substantial this day.

Are you not interested into getting tells about his alignment? Need I say that is scummy?


I defend him because I don't think he is scum and Doc's cries of "hammer right naow!" are not helpful.

I'm done defending Dan though, he can defend himself. If he cares to. You guys can lynch him, I will not be voting him though.


And Promethelax, what the fuck is this? The lack of concern for someone lynching one of your town-reads is unlike anything I've seen from you as town.


I'm done defending Dan when he does nothing to defend himself. I have stated that he is town, I have stated that Vivax is scum. I have said I'm opposed to the Dan lynch and approve of a vivax lynch. That was all I needed in the thread and that was what the thread got.

On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
I2)The lynch is between Dan

Why did your read on him change? Since you've only talked about Vivax until he died I'm curious to your thought process of what changed.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 08 2013 18:07 GMT
#680
@Cheese I've got another nugget for you for on dandel.
On March 06 2013 07:20 jaybrundage wrote:
@DrH
I would be fine lynching Dandel but I think Vivax has a greater chance to flip scum.

Dr.H can you comment on Vivax and why he is/isn't scum.

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