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On March 08 2013 01:06 Vivax wrote: Artanis I would want you to favour a thrawn over a cheesecake lynch, I would also like to add that I didn't like that you spent more time explaining townreads than reasoning over the scumreads. You started by posting meta arguments about thrawn and then quoted some stuff about CC and rushed to the conclusion of favouring him over thrawn which doesn't make much sense from my perspective. Based on what you wrote about your scumreads I would have expected you to favour thrawn over CC also considering that you seem to have put more effort into reading thrawn's meta than CC's, and if you put more effort into something then it means you would have had a stronger suspicion of thrawn beforehand, which you didn't so it looks to me like you just dug up some stuff and then decided to vote CC cause you don't really care who of them gets lynched. Just based on the investment you made into digging up thrawn's meta it would be more logical for you to favour his lynch from a dissonance PoV. That said, know I'm still watching you and you are my #1 scumread. I also didn't like how you just unlurked to answer a question but don't push for the lynches when you knew I was in the thread. Hapa asked me to post reads on everyone. My reads were developing as I looked into people. I spent two hours looking through filters. I put more energy into you and Prome than the others after which I wasn't particularly feeling like doing more but I couldn't just post two town reads and keep it at that. I know I'm town, yet I didn't have a strong scumread on anyone anymore after my read on you updated. I hadn't looked much into Dandel, Thrawn or CC much because I was too busy tunneling you and Prome. I initially had a town read on everyone when I made the meta analysis and Thrawn was the last person I analyzed, so I was more thorough with him but didn't find it convincing, so I went back and gave CC another look. I unlurked because I woke up. I went to bed before the daypost came up. | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Proms comment was a joke, but it calls me a 'town player' which I find weird as fuck. My vote on Dandel was 100% super serious except the expound part. Why do you make a post that doesn't mention Dandel at all then vote him without an explanation? | ||
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After I read the posts up until that point and went through the filters the first time I didn't have anyone marked as scum or scummy, so I went through your filter again. | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: What did Artanis do the entirety of D1? Tunnel Vivax. Scum love to do this -- See: DYH (Witchcraft), Snarfs (Nomination). They focus on one person to divert the attention away from their scumbuddy. Morning arrives and he posts this: So Hapa accuses me of not pushing my reads and you accuse me of tunneling. You two should discuss which one it is. What? I wanted to give him a chance to speak. What is the town agenda behind lynching someone before he gets a chance to retaliate? See above. On March 07 2013 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Vivax is town now.. At this point, people were suspecting Prome a bit but no one was really questioning me. Given Prome's tunneling on Vivax he could easily have gotten away with continued tunneling on Prome, yet he didn't and changed his opinion, albeit on something retarded. Jay didn't mention me, no. He didn't even answer the question I asked him. Why would a scum master plan include an unanswered question? He also never discussed me because by the time there was actually some suspicion on me not from you, he already went into resignation mode. All he did until then was answer about whatever was the town's main suspect. He has almost no content in his filter about anything else. I've already commented on the rest of your reasons for calling me scum. As to anyone calling me scum for not being super duper convinced about people: Check my meta. I never am. I'm also not a veteran, I've just been around for a long time. That doesn't mean I've played a lot of games. Regarding the town PM claim thingy; I made sure to check the OP to see if it's in there before I said anything as I didn't want to cheat. Just checked out Promethelax' meta. Unfortunately it's inconclusive as the last scum game he's played has been a while ago. In this game, he's sheeped my opinions at the start, also commenting on Hapa calling other people town quickly, though he stepped off of it about as quickly as I did. His interactions seem to be suspicious of everyone, but overly so. Vivax indicated that he didn't like both my, your and Jay's posting. Continuously going on about the order of it feels disgenuine. He calls Vivax scum for not actually wanting to get his scumreads lynched despite the fact that he's been hammering on me all game for a 180 when he asked me to lynch you. I've finally decided that I lean town on that; it feels too ballsy and spontaneous for scum. The rest of Prome's filter focuses nearly entirely on Vivax, calling him scum with nigh every post. Fuck, despite that some things feel off in his filter I can't reconcile this idea with Prome being scum. If he is indeed scum and gets Vivax lynched as green, he'd look terrible and definitely not survive two more lynches. He also looks to be genuinely wanting a Vivax lynch. With Hapa claiming to be the other named VT, he's obviously town but I already felt that way about him. That leaves Dandel Ion, Thrawn, and Mr. Cheesecake . Dandel Ion seems to be a massive troll that likes posting a bunch of oneliners that mean nothing. In his scum game though he was a lot more serious, as was the case in his first scum game. Even in his accusatory posts as town, he's more jovial than as scum. His current game fits his meta as town. Thrawn has played a mildly active game at best. In his most recent scum game he got caught on day 1. The other scumgame he played he also had a short 8-page filter in a 200 page game. In this town needs guns, he was more active, though still not as much as others. Thrawn has been more active this game. His hammer of Jay felt premature but I don't think it's a scumtell. Cheesecake's activity has been depressingly low and his filter is awful. He's doing nothing, but it doesn't line up with both his town and scum meta so it's not alignment revealing. In his godfather scum game he played a very pandering game, trying to stay on everyone's good side. The scum game's a few months back so it could be that he's learned from then. Cheesecake's played a poor game so far. What's weird is how he formulated his reads. First he said he wants to lynch Vivax/Jay/Prome with me as a maybe, then he indicates I'm now his main suspect with Promethelax and Vivax also being good candidates. His hammering on Jay could be a bus, and it's the only serious pressure he's given anyone. Also. What's changed in these times? You've made a full 180 and you haven't said why. You haven't contributed to town other than telling your reads when prompted, you've been a lot less active than you have in your previous games, and your filter is pretty bad. Given I don't see scum elsewhere Cheesecake is my current top suspect. No reasoning for read changes, and is playing a jovial game which contradicts his recent town game. ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake What is Artanis doing with this post? A) Picking on weak players. This would be myself admittedly, Dandel, and somewhat Thrawn. <--- Scum agenda I only called one person scum in this post and that's you. I even explicitly said I think Dandel matches his town meta. B) Says I hammered Jay. What? I think you need to learn some reading comprehension. I said Thrawn hammered Jay. C) Plays the "I'm not a vet so I'm not right all the time" card. I also have the luxury of knowing he is voting for town. Yes, I'm playing that card because people push me into the role of being a vet when I'm not. Read Hapa's post about it, that's why I brought it up. | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote: Dandel is actually probably town for something jay said under the assumption that he played scum conservatively not attracting attention to his teammates. Jay's filter leaves Artanis and thrawn as options. How does Jay's filter exempt Cheesecake in any way? On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote: Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ This is the only time Jay even mentions him. | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: if he's scum I want him to win because his play is brilliantly terrible. Don't lynch Dandel. BH did you secretly put a jester in this game? | ||
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Still, answer the other questions. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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The reason I decided to hammer Vivax was because my read on him changed from how he posted since my post saying he was town, but it was not long enough ago to make credible. Prome's post was decent and despite saying I had a town read on Vivax now, the initial idea I had about him being scum in the start of the game still nagged at me in my head. It was also somewhat of an OMGUS since Vivax has been at my throat all game, I will admit. But tell me, how does my action make sense as a scum that actually wants to win? Also, kill anyone that decides to hammer me early. Even if this defence isn't satisfactory I'd like to at least give out some reads before I die. | ||
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On March 08 2013 18:10 thrawn2112 wrote: I disagree. There was no way that either hapa or myself would have lynched vivax. And idk why it would have made sense for you to do that as scum. You shouldn't have done it/ If it doesn't make sense for me to do as scum, then think harder goddamnit. It was actually Promethelax' post that convinced me in the end. I still had doubts regarding Vivax but found him likely to be town, then he pushed me some more with a strange post that seemed a bit wishy washy. Artanis, look at Vivax's interactions with you. Look at the way he has twice now called you his biggest scum read while trying to direct your vote elsewhere. Vivax is scum. It should be more obvious to you than anyone else. Vote with me. Lynch scum. Help town win this game. He appealed to my emotions hard as fuck. Made me think "fuck, what if he IS scum and he's been playing on my exact thought process all along. What if what I think he's town for is all calculated?" and I thought back to the original point I made about the FoS which sealed the vote. As for reads, I'll post them later this afternoon. Gotta go to uni in a bit. If you'll all post a link to your latest scumgame and town game it'd make things easier for me as apparently the database isn't always accurate. | ||
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On March 08 2013 18:11 thrawn2112 wrote: well those aren't the entirety of my reasoning for thinking their town but whatever, i'm more interested in who you want to lynch Then explain to me why you think they're town in more words, there's no word limit on your posts you know. | ||
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On March 08 2013 18:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then explain to me why you think they're town in more words, there's no word limit on your posts you know. On March 08 2013 18:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you'll all post a link to your latest scumgame and town game it'd make things easier for me as apparently the database isn't always accurate. | ||
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