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Decided to do a re-read.
On March 11 2013 05:16 Promethelax wrote:
So I lay down my vote to elect this thug
though I've read the thread slow as a slug,
for the moment I think he is our best flip
this man is scum, though he hasn't scum-slipped.
So for now I say ##Vote: Bugs
Prome, this was the exact reason I struggled with to support a bugs lynch. The filter was white-noise with no definitive scum-tells.
However, having gone through WBG filter (as best I could)
I noticed he said this ~20min after the town annoucement of Kurumi.
On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse
but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence.
So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge?
I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. I didnt realise he was aware Kurumi was town, and still openly supported his death. I can't make any sense of this from a town perspective. Yam is dodgy too, but at least he has his "pro gf snipe" comment. Bugs does indeed have "nothing".
With this context, and what prome/VE said before; I can agree to put Corazon on hold (for this cycle).
##Vote: WBG
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On March 11 2013 15:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta you're just inventing reasoning to stay on Cora at this point. Confirmation bias is something I didn't expect from you. You continue to surprise me again and again, and not in a good way.
[fluff]
Firstly VE thanks for the <3; but my other former newbie coaches would beg to differ 
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Regardless, I am not seeing this confirmation bias?
What I see is: Corazon calls out yamato for dodging his case as "stupid" thus = scum
Then Corazon proceeds to replicate this behaviour when I make a case on him!
Riddle me this: Do you disagree with my corazon assessment, because
You think corazon is town?
OR
because you think my case is biased/weak?
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Corazon's case on Yamato reads as very sincere and I think he's town. His attack on yamato is fueled by the belief that he's scum. Contrast that with, for instance, Vivax' attack on yamato.
On March 11 2013 09:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote:
The reveal and shot were my role
I will not apologize for giving a martyr his death. Well that's cool. I suppose you had to shoot day1 cause of your role but your choice of target is telling.
##Vote yamato77Anyone opposing a yamato lynch?
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Anyway, I'm off to bed.
Lynch wherebugsgo/Vivax/yamato while I sleep. If I awaken to find some kind of bullshit shenanigans I'm gonna be pissed. And I'm talking Palmar pissed people.
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On March 11 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Corazon's case on Yamato reads as very sincere and I think he's town. His attack on yamato is fueled by the belief that he's scum. Contrast that with, for instance, Vivax' attack on yamato. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 09:22 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote:
The reveal and shot were my role
I will not apologize for giving a martyr his death. Well that's cool. I suppose you had to shoot day1 cause of your role but your choice of target is telling.
##Vote yamato77Anyone opposing a yamato lynch?
Well yes I can agree that there is a distinct lack of "care factor" in what you presented of Vivax.
However, us normal voters can only support one lynch.
And based on Kurumi actions, I would rather vote the guy that knowingly supported a mod-confirmed townie death; than the guy who "non-nonchalantly voted the mod-confirmed townies killer"
Steering back to Corazon: OK you read some conviction and think he is sincere; however, I don't share that opinion.
I dont see why conviction in a push reads as townish sincerity.
Does the push not need to be supplemented with a well-reasoned approach to warrant the tunnel?
Corazon early case on yamato all revolved around yamato actions in Duel Mafia.
Considering this is a shift from a normal -> themed game; that is pretty weak reasoning from Corazon, and presents a nice excuse to tunnel away - with conviction.
Also, Corazon never tries to explore the mindset of yamato, instead he just badgers yamato calling him scum.. where is the town sincerity in those actions?
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First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
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Many of VE's points are wrong so I suggest you do your own research before believing them or at least force him to prove his points with actual quotes.
You don't need me to write a defence to every point to see what's already there for you, just compare it with my filter and check for yourselves please.
I'll mention a few things nonetheless:
1. Cora is scummy, I have said so and pushed him and opinions on him by asking many questions. → VE lied.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 11 2013 07:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b Have you forgotten that we are roleplaying  ? Marv what do you make of Corazon please. I want corazon to answer my questions. Well those are also my questions cause the way he handled S & B's post doesn't make much sense, he dodged my question now he seems to be dodging yours which is essentially the same. He kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either.
2.Yamato's actions in shooting Kurumi are scummy. Opinions may differ but it's enough for me to lynch him he took the risk of shooting a possibly mod-confirmed townie where it should have at least gave him a benefit of the doubt to not get vigged.
3.I've mentioned one of the points I've found scummy about VE's post, so I did reply to VE (with link) although it's not the only reason:
you say yamato wants to pressure lurkers just to look like contributing and I did the same but you didn't attack me for it
So basically I don't know what makes me so scummy my stances are clear I don't comment on meaningless stuff and I tried to get people to post/post in a way that is understandable for town (although stopped after Prom cause I can follow him regardless and got my attention caught by Cora).
That said I think it's a really bad idea to want to keep yamato alive after that stunt.
Don't know if Foolishness is town yet but if he genuinely thinks I'm scum then he must not be as good as people think  , he played with me as scum so he should know better.
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Well ninjad, that makes the argument about yamato not enough given the revelation of his role mechanics.
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I agree with VE that Bugs should hang today. He is now the low-hanging fruit of the role players.
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On March 11 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh strongandbig - your contribution to the thread was extraordinarily lacking for the short time you were with us. Your presence will go unfelt by the vast majority of the players. I have to wonder if that was by design.
Boo, you're a jerk
It's not my fault you guys are foolish and can't see the truth of my oats master case
Also if you think that I was in the thread for a short time yesterday then you have some pretty unrealistic expectations of me given my schedule and history. Just sayin'.
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How scummy would scum Acrofales look if Acrofales did roll scum?
However those who would call themselves my friends still will not see.
If yamato is town sloosh looks terrible (or rather more terrible).
On March 11 2013 13:04 slOosh wrote:
u kids so bad
a) yamato uses mod-confirm check day one on kurumi
b) yamato then day vigs mod-confirmed town kurumi
c) people complain and call yamato bad but don't vote him
d) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
e) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
f) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
srsly if anybody doen't realize this and considers themselves good, well, maybe you need to bend over to see just how low you really are.
##Vote: yamato
These are exactly how a mafia accusing a dumb townie post would look. and in combination with his lack of scumhunting everything it makes my scum-o-meter beep.
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Well I'm wary of agreeing with VE given the dishonest way he's posting arguments for my lynch , I'll take a look at Bugs later when I'm back but one argument that comes to my mind spontaneously is that he kept pushing Kurumi after the announcement came so it looks strange to me that he would keep pushing him as scum knowing the announcement was right when the mod says otherwise to the whole thread, so that kinda put him on the town side of things.
Otherwise, if you are scum yamato then your teammates knew that the announcement was right and I'm looking at people saying Kurumi was modconfirmed without doubting the announcement, marv especially. But that's for a lot later, I'll look at your future play now.
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On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right?
Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me?
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Yam, sounds like your role is a play on dream flower from personality 1.
So your logic was if u hit Mafia u get a DT check
And
If u hit town u took out someone shitting up the thread?
Is that correct?
I'm still not sure why u would take this gamble without raising it as a question. I thought more people were hating bugs at the time than kurumi, unless u referring to him specifically about being town only today comments.
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that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good.
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My brethren, has the shepherd arrived? I have seen a tall man, and the sheep have moved...but is he the nice shepherd or the bad shepherd? Alas, the eyes of the dog are not so sharp. Maybe it is by smell that I may learn the truth.
why, one may say, did the dog bark at the rat, though the man in the sky said the rat was a mouse? well, the mouse wanted to die. The mouse said he may not really be a mouse forever. The mouse said tomorrow, he may feel like a rat. One should normally trust the mouse, but when he says he may feel like a rat-one must burn the rat. The plague should not be allowed to spread. The dog cannot accept the lies of the rat, for it is shameful to be trodden on by one that is smaller. The broth is not brewed merely by rodents.
The dog would certainly like to share his broth with one nobleman. Oh BloodyOne, I may be colorblind, so I will overlook the red overtones of your name. Would you like to drink from my honeypot?
Perhaps you can help me. I have found a few chickens, and herded some sheep. But who is my shepherd? Are you my shepherd?
Is it the one they call Phil? Or perhaps it is one of the newer, the younger. I like the Pro. My tail wags when I think of him.
Please, excuse me. I have accidentally drank the poison of the humans, that which they call Pepsi. As the Sages would say, it is not quite good for my digestive system.
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Lol.. U herded sheep?
Are u suggesting yam actions are a direct by product of your wisdom and guidance?
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On March 11 2013 05:14 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:Yo, be easy and stop buggin folks. True, dis game be tight, but we don't want dis gettin outta hand and turnin into beef. On March 11 2013 03:01 HiroPro wrote:
yo, unless one of them admits they were lying right now, we should be lynching between kurumi and bugs today. both of them have claimed chezinu - bugs's anagram is a an anagram for brown brotherhood.
at the moment, i'm leaning towards kurumi. in particular notice what kurumi says after he has gotten his role (but before his alignment), "this sucks". kurumi is a player who likes to play around and troll frequently. it's very unlikely that he would be unhappy about receiving chezinu as a role. the logical conclusion is that kurumi is a faker.
##Vote Kurumi
also to the people who don't understand why i would ask everyone to just flat out say who they are. this is in part because my personality dislikes shennanies like what's going on right now. it's not something that i care about personally much. Aight, I'mma lay dis down fo yo. Votin for non-alignment reasons be wack. Na mean? Role playin be dope and errbody should be crunk bout it. man what are you talking about. it's not about kurumi roleplaying. it's about the fact that he was lying about who he was. he has admitted that he was lying so it looks a little better than if he tried to go with what risk.nuke came up with. but there is a clear mafia motivation in trying to fake a hard-to-read personality like Chezinu.
This post adequately summarizes how I felt about Kurumi and his bullshit in the thread. Believe me or not, it is how I thought about the possiblity.
On March 11 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Raise your hand if you trust that announcement.
*keeps it lowered*
Suspicious, and completely mafia motivated. VE gets some more points in his scum hunting favor with this read, along with Bugs. Gonna have to unvote that guy.
On March 11 2013 11:15 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 11:09 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:
Mocsta, you'll find that I make perfect sense
my townieness is from you my defense.
Why do you attack bugs and yamato
but say cDg is the foe?
I didn't think you were dense.
Please pray: someone, respond
this has gone on too long
is there any reason to think bugs is one of us
or have you all put him on your ignore list (a+!)
help me out, am I wrong? In short: I dont like how Corazon kept his options open on vote targets. The play was pointless.. if you +1, follow with a vote on the case Saying +1 & adding "but my top scum read is something else" doesnt make sense. Its not even clear what cora likes about the case. Marv knows oats well. I know oats well: & so far he is playing his town self (i.e. points lots of fingers and asks dumb questions). Consider cora just played with oats in duel, where oats was doing the exact same things as town. Yet this game cora thinks oats = scum ?!?!? INTERESTING, no? ---- Bugs, I read his posts; but they are unreadable. If I supported his vote, it would be as a policy lynch. How do you ascertain him as town/scum based on his posts so far? have you not read the things I have said? there was a bugs/kurumi dichotomy kurumi was green (obvious to me) now he has flipped bugs should be dead Scum bugs has given us nothing his posts in content were lacking once his tunnel target was shot his posting became "...[dot dot dot]" what is it about this you don't find compelling?
Exactly how I felt about Bugs/Kurumi, and also how I view the current situation.
On March 11 2013 11:53 marvellosity wrote:
Still pretty tempted to lynch Corazon tbh. This Kurumi thing was both awful and hilarious. well done yam.
This post stuck out to me as all kinds of not-care from our friendly neighborhood Marvellosity. While everyone else comments on my alignment, he laughs. Suuuuper weird.
On March 11 2013 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 13:04 slOosh wrote:
u kids so bad
a) yamato uses mod-confirm check day one on kurumi
b) yamato then day vigs mod-confirmed town kurumi
c) people complain and call yamato bad but don't vote him
d) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
e) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
f) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
srsly if anybody doen't realize this and considers themselves good, well, maybe you need to bend over to see just how low you really are.
##Vote: yamato Tell me why scum would modconfirm a townie? Please?
Both this quote and the nested one are notable. Sloosh's quote is notable for being fucking scummy as all hell. Jumps in with the negative thread sentiment and tries to get more people to vote me along with him in his idiocy.
Oats' response is exactly the response I want to give, as well. What scum has a detective role that mod confirms people as town, and then shoots them? Makes no sense from a mafia perspective.
Right now I want the lynch between bugs and Vivax, with a smattering of Marv votes. Will expound upon my read of Marv in more detail at a later time. I just worked 12 hours and I'm caught up with the thread, so for now will probably sleep.
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On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good.
It was not unreasonable.
Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high.
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On March 11 2013 17:48 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.. U herded sheep?
Are u suggesting yam actions are a direct by product of your wisdom and guidance?
tell me, oh wise one: does your toilet flush in the right direction?
If a man were to announce to all:
I am telling the truth: I am Mocsta. My name is my identity. The Australians are the best.
What would you smell? For I, if I were the Mocsta, I would smell rat.
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