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On March 19 2013 13:20 gonzaw wrote:Mocsta was kind of "obvious" the last day to be honest. He only posted "guys guys marv is town you are idiots! Vivax scum go go". That would instantly raise any alarm bells. Hiro, well of course austin seemed less "talky talky" as he is as town. As town he posts like pages and pages about all his thoughts and all his plans and conspiracy theories and the like. Here he was just like....meh. Acro I never read a single post from his, I just sheeped BC there lol DP had that check and was scummy I guess (never read any of his posts until the last day). I would think that last day was "doable" for town....but yeah there was just too much confusion and stuff. Also when will Stutters be scum goddamit! 
We got bored waiting too you know 
had to spice it up
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anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/
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I am right there with you, Marv.
Only I'm not usually right anyways.
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On March 19 2013 13:24 marvellosity wrote:
anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/
oh sparkly one,
the dog would never have led you wrong. You should have heeded those puppy eyes and said those words of praise.
Instead, the dog was shot in the heart, and the shepherd was soon gone too. It was a day of bloodshed and a night of despair. Why, only the Sages could have saved you then, but even they were misguided by the stars.
Sadly the Brown Brotherhood was only a front for the cause, a product of the old dog's senility. In fantasy dreamworld, perhaps the reality would have been different.
Remember the old saying.
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On March 19 2013 13:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, foolishness did some analysis in the obs QT. It is very good and everyone should read.
I read his logic, but I disagree with the fundamental principle of it. You can't look at someone else's post and think "Why would I write that as a townie?" It doesn't work like that. No one else thinks the same as me, and no one else posts the same as me.
This is, fundamentally, why Foolishness was completely ass-backwards in that post (yamato was the townie, Acro was scum). You have to think "Would town yamato make this post?" And the answer, unequivocally, is yes in this case. Because he did. And scum Acro was obviously good enough to know what the "correct" response was.
TL;DR: My meta doesn't work for any other player. "Correct" meta doesn't work for most players.
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On March 19 2013 13:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:24 marvellosity wrote:
anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/ oh sparkly one, the dog would never have led you wrong. You should have heeded those puppy eyes and said those words of praise. Instead, the dog was shot in the heart, and the shepherd was soon gone too. It was a day of bloodshed and a night of despair. Why, only the Sages could have saved you then, but even they were misguided by the stars. Sadly the Brown Brotherhood was only a front for the cause, a product of the old dog's senility. In fantasy dreamworld, perhaps the reality would have been different. Remember the old saying.
no you.
But seriously I think this is a really good example of what happens when town have a bad day 1 and basically lots of confusion everywhere.
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sigh, i still can't remember where I've seen that post.
radfield isn't a dick. he's one of the more pleasant people during a game. i dunno, like radfield's style of play is completely different from how perfection plays normally so i have no idea how perfection would try to imitate that. but i don't think his personality is radfield.
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That is exactly what i thought when i was researching radfield. I was like this is going to be hard.
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Funnily enough.. you benig a dog & survivor, is making sense looking for a shepherd hahha
my favourite post of the game (like hiro) was one of yours
On March 12 2013 05:12 prplhz wrote: On March 12 2013 05:14 wherebugsgo wrote:![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wmdeKkpi1r81ieqo1_500.gif)
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On March 19 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 19 2013 13:24 marvellosity wrote:
anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/ oh sparkly one, the dog would never have led you wrong. You should have heeded those puppy eyes and said those words of praise. Instead, the dog was shot in the heart, and the shepherd was soon gone too. It was a day of bloodshed and a night of despair. Why, only the Sages could have saved you then, but even they were misguided by the stars. Sadly the Brown Brotherhood was only a front for the cause, a product of the old dog's senility. In fantasy dreamworld, perhaps the reality would have been different. Remember the old saying. no you. But seriously I think this is a really good example of what happens when town have a bad day 1 and basically lots of confusion everywhere. Mafia did a good job of ensuring the chaotic townies remained chaotic
yes town imploded, but mafia created "plausible" scenarios for the atmosphere to remain like that
at least in my opinion
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On March 19 2013 13:29 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, foolishness did some analysis in the obs QT. It is very good and everyone should read.
I read his logic, but I disagree with the fundamental principle of it. You can't look at someone else's post and think "Why would I write that as a townie?" It doesn't work like that. No one else thinks the same as me, and no one else posts the same as me. This is, fundamentally, why Foolishness was completely ass-backwards in that post (yamato was the townie, Acro was scum). You have to think "Would town yamato make this post?" And the answer, unequivocally, is yes in this case. Because he did. And scum Acro was obviously good enough to know what the "correct" response was. TL;DR: My meta doesn't work for any other player. "Correct" meta doesn't work for most players.
pretty sure fool wrote exactly "imagine that you are marv or ve", just read on also it shows how one of the best townies think about the game and that's really valuable even though he turned out to be wrong.
i think the delayed flip reversal was a bit silly, just make it a hidden flip. we ended up arguing if kita was telling the truth or what and it makes no sense to analyse the hosts and the end result of a hidden flip and a delayed flip reversal is just about the same: you have to ignore it. my role was nice but i didn't get to use it because for some reason i didn't get lynched this game. also, 12 games? i'm sure the manager of the tl mafia database has it right but still ... 
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On March 19 2013 13:35 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 19 2013 13:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On March 19 2013 13:24 marvellosity wrote:
anyway sorry to town for being an ass and totally awful all game.
got totally thrown by corazon refusing to interact with town and then foolishness having at least 2, probably 3 mafia reads wrong, and i thought that had to make him mafia.
generally just a downhill, overemotional pile of crap from my end.
i'm not used to being so hilariously wrong so I'll have to come back to this game in a couple of days to filter the mafia, and resolve never to play this way again.
I can't remember having a game like this so I need t make sure it doesn't happen again :/ oh sparkly one, the dog would never have led you wrong. You should have heeded those puppy eyes and said those words of praise. Instead, the dog was shot in the heart, and the shepherd was soon gone too. It was a day of bloodshed and a night of despair. Why, only the Sages could have saved you then, but even they were misguided by the stars. Sadly the Brown Brotherhood was only a front for the cause, a product of the old dog's senility. In fantasy dreamworld, perhaps the reality would have been different. Remember the old saying. no you. But seriously I think this is a really good example of what happens when town have a bad day 1 and basically lots of confusion everywhere. Mafia did a good job of ensuring the chaotic townies remained chaotic yes town imploded, but mafia created "plausible" scenarios for the atmosphere to remain like that at least in my opinion
Town really didn't have a horrible day 1. Lynched third party, killed a trolling player who was cluttering thread. There were a ton of things bad with day 1 but it was the towns most successful day.
Mafia did do well ensuring town kept pushing bad choices but had a single player gone out of their way to just filter dive a few of you would have been caught. However by day 3 it really didnt matter
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On March 19 2013 13:33 Mocsta wrote:Funnily enough.. you benig a dog & survivor, is making sense looking for a shepherd hahha my favourite post of the game (like hiro) was one of yours
i wasn't really mad, it's just that i remember Jackal58 as kind of a hot head and i'm sure he would have been a tad upset if he had been shot in the face by wherebugsgo on d1 winking dog also made me laugh
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Thanks hosts! I don't think there were any obvious imbalances... unless sloosh could actually give out 4 live nukes, although it would have been hilarious to see half of town blow up in the way they were used :D
I really liked the greymist role. Both parts of it were pretty clever.
As for the last few posts in the obsQT saying that it was just a bad town, yes and no. Just as LVI, you cannot just blame it on bad town that it was a scum victory. Our night actions were spot on and we coordinated well enough to get Ver/DP out from the prime scumspect position without anybody else jumping out as obvious scum.
Of course it helped that Marv and Foolishness tunneled each other all game, and that Vivax went around completely destroying the town atmosphere. PS. Vivax, if you claim you were not a complete jerk this game, then explain this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18022325
I think our scumQT has numerous occasions where one of us is hoping that you come into the thread and yell and shit all over everybody again. Or that Marv and Foolishness go another round.
However, we did our best to egg them all on without being too obvious. Did any of the scum play an outstanding miraculous game? No. But it was a team effort to keep town in complete disarray... and that is, imho, the goal of scumplay: to MAKE town bad.
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On March 19 2013 13:37 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:29 Keirathi wrote:On March 19 2013 13:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, foolishness did some analysis in the obs QT. It is very good and everyone should read.
I read his logic, but I disagree with the fundamental principle of it. You can't look at someone else's post and think "Why would I write that as a townie?" It doesn't work like that. No one else thinks the same as me, and no one else posts the same as me. This is, fundamentally, why Foolishness was completely ass-backwards in that post (yamato was the townie, Acro was scum). You have to think "Would town yamato make this post?" And the answer, unequivocally, is yes in this case. Because he did. And scum Acro was obviously good enough to know what the "correct" response was. TL;DR: My meta doesn't work for any other player. "Correct" meta doesn't work for most players. pretty sure fool wrote exactly "imagine that you are marv or ve", just read on also it shows how one of the best townies think about the game and that's really valuable even though he turned out to be wrong.
Ermm, what? He says "Think back to a time you were sure you were right about a scum read, then they flipped town. Think about how you felt, and what you would be thinking. Now compare that to what yamato and Acro posted" etc etc and went on to explain why he thought yamato's post was scum oriented and Acro's was town oriented.
I mean, I agree with you. It is very valuable insight into how Foolishness thinks about the game as town. I just don't think the fundamental principle works unless the person you are looking into thinks like you do.
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yea vivax was very annoying to play with. please stop doing that even if you are right/wrong/scum/whatever.
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On March 19 2013 13:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:37 prplhz wrote:On March 19 2013 13:29 Keirathi wrote:On March 19 2013 13:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, foolishness did some analysis in the obs QT. It is very good and everyone should read.
I read his logic, but I disagree with the fundamental principle of it. You can't look at someone else's post and think "Why would I write that as a townie?" It doesn't work like that. No one else thinks the same as me, and no one else posts the same as me. This is, fundamentally, why Foolishness was completely ass-backwards in that post (yamato was the townie, Acro was scum). You have to think "Would town yamato make this post?" And the answer, unequivocally, is yes in this case. Because he did. And scum Acro was obviously good enough to know what the "correct" response was. TL;DR: My meta doesn't work for any other player. "Correct" meta doesn't work for most players. pretty sure fool wrote exactly "imagine that you are marv or ve", just read on also it shows how one of the best townies think about the game and that's really valuable even though he turned out to be wrong. Ermm, what? He says "Think back to a time you were sure you were right about a scum read, then they flipped town. Think about how you felt, and what you would be thinking. Now compare that to what yamato and Acro posted" etc etc and went on to explain why he thought yamato's post was scum oriented and Acro's was town oriented. I mean, I agree with you. It is very valuable insight into how Foolishness thinks about the game as town. I just don't think the fundamental principle works unless the person you are looking into thinks like you do.
You need to become marvellosity or VE or whoever you are analyzing, like an actor. "I am VE, what situation am I in to write this post?"
direct quote but yea he also says your thing but just read on
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On March 19 2013 13:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 13:45 Keirathi wrote:On March 19 2013 13:37 prplhz wrote:On March 19 2013 13:29 Keirathi wrote:On March 19 2013 13:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, foolishness did some analysis in the obs QT. It is very good and everyone should read.
I read his logic, but I disagree with the fundamental principle of it. You can't look at someone else's post and think "Why would I write that as a townie?" It doesn't work like that. No one else thinks the same as me, and no one else posts the same as me. This is, fundamentally, why Foolishness was completely ass-backwards in that post (yamato was the townie, Acro was scum). You have to think "Would town yamato make this post?" And the answer, unequivocally, is yes in this case. Because he did. And scum Acro was obviously good enough to know what the "correct" response was. TL;DR: My meta doesn't work for any other player. "Correct" meta doesn't work for most players. pretty sure fool wrote exactly "imagine that you are marv or ve", just read on also it shows how one of the best townies think about the game and that's really valuable even though he turned out to be wrong. Ermm, what? He says "Think back to a time you were sure you were right about a scum read, then they flipped town. Think about how you felt, and what you would be thinking. Now compare that to what yamato and Acro posted" etc etc and went on to explain why he thought yamato's post was scum oriented and Acro's was town oriented. I mean, I agree with you. It is very valuable insight into how Foolishness thinks about the game as town. I just don't think the fundamental principle works unless the person you are looking into thinks like you do. You need to become marvellosity or VE or whoever you are analyzing, like an actor. "I am VE, what situation am I in to write this post?" direct quote but yea he also says your thing but just read on
Oh. I see it now. I had read part of that paragraph but missed that point I guess.
Yes, I don't think that kind of analysis really works unless you are intimately familiar with the person you are looking into's meta and how they think/function/play in general. But, meta is a tough nut to crack. SO many people use it wrong
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On March 19 2013 13:42 Acrofales wrote:
Thanks hosts! I don't think there were any obvious imbalances... unless sloosh could actually give out 4 live nukes, although it would have been hilarious to see half of town blow up in the way they were used :D
The nukes just sprayed kebab though, so acted as a RB
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On March 19 2013 13:13 GreYMisT wrote:
Id like to know your favorite roles this game, me and Kita put a lot of work into them
Most flavorful, foolishness as bumatlarge/the batman.
Most amusing, sloosh as caller.
Most awesome/creative role mechanics... hard to say as a lot of them were pretty good. I particularly liked the iGrok, Plexa, and Sheth roles.
e: like mocsta said. kebab nukes! rofl.
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I think the part about reacting to a town death after thinking it was scum from Foolishness's post was more about attitude and approach to the game so you can become better.
In other words it's better to acknowledge that you were wrong, and why, rather than say, "wow that guy deserved it"
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