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Foolishness
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I sneakily crept through the second story window. It was a difficult maneuver, having previously gotten to the roof and needing to hang off the ledge to get access inside. But it was always a favorable choice; people always expect break-ins to be on the first floor. I was above and beyond that.
I took a moment to take in my surroundings. I was in a guest bedroom, the neatness of the scene made that apparent. From looking into the first floor before my entry it was quite apparent that the boss was not a tidy person. Though I did not expect him to be, one who is so conceited and selfish need not care about public perception and generally perceived "good" qualities. I approached the door to the bedroom, and stopped for a few minutes to listen. I could faintly hear music off in the background but it seemed eons away. There did not seem to be any movement so I slowly turned the knob to open the door.
"SCREEEEK!" the door screamed back at me. I halted in my tracks, hand still on the knob as I listened. Faint music could still be heard but my mind was not processing it, I was only listening to the noises that mattered. After it was clear that was no disturbance I took a deep breath and pulled on the door once more. Luckily the door stayed silent this time, and I made a wide enough gap for me to slip through.
The hallway was dark, not that that was unexpected. There was a faint light radiating across the carpet a distance ahead. As I moved towards it, the music grew in volume but my mind was not listening to it. I stopped at an intersection and waited before proceeding. Again there were no disturbances. I turned to the right and proceeded down my path. I stopped at the door to the room of my goal. Appropriately shaded a dark red, perhaps in forbearance to the events about to take place. But I could not help but notice the detail and construct of it all, the beautiful square design, the way the golden handle brought life to the red door, almost as if saying that it is within this room that life happens.
With the philosophical moment passed, I stood up and readied the knife in my hand. There was no need to be sneaky anymore; there was a job to finish, dead or alive. I hesitated before giving the golden handle a nice twist in the clockwise direction. I gave the door a little push and it almost seemed to open itself; as if inviting me to experience the true essence of life.
"I've been expecting you," he said from his chair. He was already facing me; it seemed he knew his fate had already been decided.
"How cliche," I replied. "Unfortunately your time is at an end. Like the red of your door your hands have been stained."
He stood up and made his way over to me. I was alert, ready for any trick that might be up his sleeve. But he was not in a trickster mood. I felt that he was just playing his part, trying to play it cool and not show his true colors.
"But are you sure you are making the right choice good sir?" Apparently his trickery was only with words, the same trickery he used on the rest of the town.
There was no need to delay this further with meaningless words. I put the knife straight into his chest. "You don't understand, I am the legend, you can never hope to outwit me."
"I...I...I don't understand. Just who are you?!?!" marvellosity said his last words.
"I AM THE GOD DAMN BATMAN!" And I plunged the knife further into his chest.
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Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): Acro
Why Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me.
My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo
Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere.
Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep.
Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled.
Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next...
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Missed his latest vote, now he's just sheeping on Foolishness now that discussion has gone away from me. Still is scummy.
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On March 14 2013 05:08 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote:
Actually, you look townie enough now that I don't need to play this game for you. All this nuke stuff works to differentiate yourself from the pack.
HiroPro, I choose YOU. Play my game. Thoughts on acrofales? i am leaning town. I dont agree with some of the stuff he is saying (on Foolish especially), but he feels very genuine to me in the small tidbits he discusses. I choose prplhz for you. Seems to only mention recent events, and doesn't say anything specific. Care to substantiate your thoughts with references to actual posts?
But, let's continue, because prplhz himself looks scummy, and yet he's the guy you chose.
He looks NULL because of his posts about wbg D1. He kind of egged on votes on wbg, while not being convinced himself. However, he only did that with people who were scummy on wbg, so I can't tell whether he's legitimately trying to force people to vote with the reads they give, or whether he's just trying to get votes onto someone who wasn't mafia.
On March 11 2013 21:07 prplhz wrote:
yamato77 isn't scum because he's an anonymous dayvig who chose to shoot Kurumi over Foolishness/Ver/TakeYourPick.
This post looks mildly townie
He looks I DON'T EFFING KNOW for sheeping all the time: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 07:21 prplhz wrote:On March 12 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 06:42 prplhz wrote:
Of course a claim has influence on my alignment, especially an early claim of a anonymous scum favored role.
Jesus christ. true or not, doing absolutely jack shit all day having been extremely enthused to play has far more influence on your alignment. your turn. I don't feel like posting a lot of drivel. It's complete bullshit that you don't think that my claim has anything to do with my alignment and I'm not sure what to think about that. then post something useful instead of drivel? all you've done is sheep me on corazon. you've not attempted to talk to corazon to further this read. you've not pushed your read when it looks like he's not getting lynched. why the fuck not? I posted the useful things I have. You'll agree that this thread doesn't need another huge dumb filter. cDgCorazon doesn't need me to hold his hand for him to prove his own innocence, he'll do a lot better without that. When did I ever even talk to a scum read after voting? I don't care much if cDgCorazon is getting lynched, I don't have a huge scum read in him, your case on him was just the best case in this thread so far. I'll notify you if the thread is trying to lynch one of my town reads (such as yamato77) but other than that, I don't care much for day1. On March 14 2013 01:42 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 01:35 Promethelax wrote:On March 14 2013 01:33 prplhz wrote:On March 14 2013 01:24 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I didn't think Plexa played mafia... and I just checked. Plexa has 0 posts in the TL Mafia subforum. WTF is going on? doesn't see oooooooooooooooooooooold games but i think plexa was one of the guys setting up this forum like four score and seven years ago guess you'll have to ask the vets but bc is dead, ver is afk and fool is scum or you ask me since everything do I see since you are here how about some reads dear I'm begging you please! okay i'll ask you WTF is going on? i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. i wish people would slow down. we have 120 pages in one day, and we have a ton of new content right now (roles being used). there's no way everybody spamming away in this thread has thought everything through and read everything thoroughly so please slow down and go back and reevaluate. i know that's what i want to do right now. Sheep's marv's case on cora D1. D2 has town reads and "marv's reads" and that's it.
**Actually, he looks scummy for this specific biti don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. Rereading this over and over makes it ... scummy or role-dependant? Even if you have a townread on marv, it's super scummy not to share what scumreads of his you share and why, but instead to just claim you're sheeping his reads 100%. Unless his role requires him to do that, and we haven't seen anything as restrictive as "you must always vote for a player that x thinks if mafia." This is scummy.
He looks scummier for this:
On March 14 2013 01:08 prplhz wrote:
got a mod pm telling me that i have to vote for vivax
##Vote Vivax Again, this is really important. Someone stole his vote. HIS VOTE. There's that stupid line in some of the OPs or the PMs when you'e a VT about how all you have is your voice and your vote. His vote is gone.
Does he really care? No. He just casually states it's gone. Does he seem upset by this? Does he try and figure out who did this? Does this impact how he views Vivax? Nope, just "Hai gaiz, my vote has been placed on vivax, see ya." That's both not a townie response to being the target of a votesteal AND it's downplaying something that is important. It's wifomy as to who stole whose vote and put it on whom, what parts of that are mafia's doing, but it's an important thing that happened and it's very likely that scum did the vote stealing because nobody has claimed it.
I liked his bringing up BC. I liked the points he made. That case felt legitimate, there was work that went into it, digging up things that BC had said in the past. Minor townie points for prplhz, even with BC flipping town, because it felt like it took some time, and because, assuming mafia shot BC, it was effort put into a case on a guy that they were going to kill.
Please do prplhz yourself. Also, prplhz...any explanation for why the vote-steal doesn't seem to have mattered to you?
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On March 14 2013 05:36 Foolishness wrote:
I sneakily crept through the second story window. It was a difficult maneuver, having previously gotten to the roof and needing to hang off the ledge to get access inside. But it was always a favorable choice; people always expect break-ins to be on the first floor. I was above and beyond that.
I took a moment to take in my surroundings. I was in a guest bedroom, the neatness of the scene made that apparent. From looking into the first floor before my entry it was quite apparent that the boss was not a tidy person. Though I did not expect him to be, one who is so conceited and selfish need not care about public perception and generally perceived "good" qualities. I approached the door to the bedroom, and stopped for a few minutes to listen. I could faintly hear music off in the background but it seemed eons away. There did not seem to be any movement so I slowly turned the knob to open the door.
"SCREEEEK!" the door screamed back at me. I halted in my tracks, hand still on the knob as I listened. Faint music could still be heard but my mind was not processing it, I was only listening to the noises that mattered. After it was clear that was no disturbance I took a deep breath and pulled on the door once more. Luckily the door stayed silent this time, and I made a wide enough gap for me to slip through.
The hallway was dark, not that that was unexpected. There was a faint light radiating across the carpet a distance ahead. As I moved towards it, the music grew in volume but my mind was not listening to it. I stopped at an intersection and waited before proceeding. Again there were no disturbances. I turned to the right and proceeded down my path. I stopped at the door to the room of my goal. Appropriately shaded a dark red, perhaps in forbearance to the events about to take place. But I could not help but notice the detail and construct of it all, the beautiful square design, the way the golden handle brought life to the red door, almost as if saying that it is within this room that life happens.
With the philosophical moment passed, I stood up and readied the knife in my hand. There was no need to be sneaky anymore; there was a job to finish, dead or alive. I hesitated before giving the golden handle a nice twist in the clockwise direction. I gave the door a little push and it almost seemed to open itself; as if inviting me to experience the true essence of life.
"I've been expecting you," he said from his chair. He was already facing me; it seemed he knew his fate had already been decided.
"How cliche," I replied. "Unfortunately your time is at an end. Like the red of your door your hands have been stained."
He stood up and made his way over to me. I was alert, ready for any trick that might be up his sleeve. But he was not in a trickster mood. I felt that he was just playing his part, trying to play it cool and not show his true colors.
"But are you sure you are making the right choice good sir?" Apparently his trickery was only with words, the same trickery he used on the rest of the town.
There was no need to delay this further with meaningless words. I put the knife straight into his chest. "You don't understand, I am the legend, you can never hope to outwit me."
"I...I...I don't understand. Just who are you?!?!" marvellosity said his last words.
"I AM THE GOD DAMN BATMAN!" And I plunged the knife further into his chest.
hahahaha
snap marv it's on now
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On March 14 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): AcroWhy Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me. My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere. Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep. Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled. Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next...
lol scummy scum scum
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Lies. Batman doesn't kill.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And now marvellosity is acting like wherebugsgo when he's mafia. Yawn too predictable.
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On March 14 2013 05:39 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): AcroWhy Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me. My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere. Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep. Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled. Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next... lol scummy scum scum
I know you are a man of more words than that. Care to elaborate?
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On March 14 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): AcroWhy Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me. My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere. Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep. Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled. Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next...
Lol. D1 I was on vacation in Rio. I got back monday 30 minutes before the deadline.
As for that list, that was people who voted for Bugs. I still think there's probable scum in there, but not so sure anymore. If Yamato is town, and more recently Xfire is looking town too, then scum really really didn't care where they put their votes.
Then you cherry pick some stuff out of my filter. I've been building up my scumread on you all throughout my read of the thread yesterday. It didn't come suddenly at all. This case is hilariously biased and just confirms my scumread on you.
Also, I'm voting Foolishness, because he is not putting any effort into scumhunting. He is flipflopping between Yamato and Marv, and is apparently not getting nuked after all. Marv cited Foolishness' own analysis of his meta, which seems pretty spot on. Lets just kill him.
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Well I want to see Yamato dead first. If he doesn't die from his nuke then I'll still go after him.
Then there's Mocsta because he's basically hard-defended Yamato from the get-go.
And then there is you.
You three are my top scum reads, but there are a lot of people who have not played town games (myself included), so the 3rd top scum read can be interchangeable. Right now however, it's you.
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- youre not reading the thread, yamato isnt going to die
- you're criticizing the town for no reason without helping to remedy the situation (ie, you're criticizing the town for "not staying on task" while talking about someone who is not at all the main or even a lynch candidate)
- you're mischaracterizing acro's reasoning about you
- you're also focusing on a player's interactions with you and trying to discredit those interactions, while calling it a reason he's scum
those are all things scum do
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I am confused.
Is marv scum, or is wbg scum and logged into marv's account?
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On March 14 2013 05:29 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:27 prplhz wrote:
i assume that scum did it to make me look worse because i've already attracted some heat. i don't know why they want me voting vivax though but if he's really town then maybe that's why. they could have made me vote anybody but they'd probably not want me to vote scum. Hello, have you seen my WIFOM? I must have lost it while I was on the toilet, those loose bowels, you know?
lol i thought marv wrote this post and i was just about to get upset but it wasn't
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On March 14 2013 05:50 strongandbig wrote:
- youre not reading the thread, yamato isnt going to die
- you're criticizing the town for no reason without helping to remedy the situation (ie, you're criticizing the town for "not staying on task" while talking about someone who is not at all the main or even a lynch candidate)
- you're mischaracterizing acro's reasoning about you
- you're also focusing on a player's interactions with you and trying to discredit those interactions, while calling it a reason he's scum
those are all things scum do
Well then why does everyone sit around and make 30 pages of shit debating whether the nukes are fake?
I'm pushing my top scumread, it's not my fault that you won't agree with me. Yamato is still my top scum read and my flip will only confirm that even more.
If you didn't notice I had a whole part about his vote on Bugs. I would not have a problem with him voting for Vivax (someone he had a scum read on earlier). The fact that he decided to vote for bugs looks really obvious that he's just trying to sheep off of everyone.
I never tried to discredit his reasoning, I just pointed out that his random decision that I was his top scum read was timed with everyone else's attack on me. Now that I'm not talked about for awhile, he stops pushing me, even though he thinks I should "die with fire", or however he phrased it.
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On March 14 2013 05:39 Foolishness wrote:
And now marvellosity is acting like wherebugsgo when he's mafia. Yawn too predictable.
I want my case. I want you to go through the large effort of making it so I can laugh at you as you die. Please go ahead and make the case. I implore you.
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On March 14 2013 05:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 05:08 HiroPro wrote:On March 14 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote:
Actually, you look townie enough now that I don't need to play this game for you. All this nuke stuff works to differentiate yourself from the pack.
HiroPro, I choose YOU. Play my game. Thoughts on acrofales? i am leaning town. I dont agree with some of the stuff he is saying (on Foolish especially), but he feels very genuine to me in the small tidbits he discusses. I choose prplhz for you. Seems to only mention recent events, and doesn't say anything specific. Care to substantiate your thoughts with references to actual posts? But, let's continue, because prplhz himself looks scummy, and yet he's the guy you chose. He looks NULL because of his posts about wbg D1. He kind of egged on votes on wbg, while not being convinced himself. However, he only did that with people who were scummy on wbg, so I can't tell whether he's legitimately trying to force people to vote with the reads they give, or whether he's just trying to get votes onto someone who wasn't mafia. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 21:07 prplhz wrote:
yamato77 isn't scum because he's an anonymous dayvig who chose to shoot Kurumi over Foolishness/Ver/TakeYourPick. This post looks mildly townie He looks I DON'T EFFING KNOW for sheeping all the time: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 07:21 prplhz wrote:On March 12 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 06:42 prplhz wrote:
Of course a claim has influence on my alignment, especially an early claim of a anonymous scum favored role.
Jesus christ. true or not, doing absolutely jack shit all day having been extremely enthused to play has far more influence on your alignment. your turn. I don't feel like posting a lot of drivel. It's complete bullshit that you don't think that my claim has anything to do with my alignment and I'm not sure what to think about that. then post something useful instead of drivel? all you've done is sheep me on corazon. you've not attempted to talk to corazon to further this read. you've not pushed your read when it looks like he's not getting lynched. why the fuck not? I posted the useful things I have. You'll agree that this thread doesn't need another huge dumb filter. cDgCorazon doesn't need me to hold his hand for him to prove his own innocence, he'll do a lot better without that. When did I ever even talk to a scum read after voting? I don't care much if cDgCorazon is getting lynched, I don't have a huge scum read in him, your case on him was just the best case in this thread so far. I'll notify you if the thread is trying to lynch one of my town reads (such as yamato77) but other than that, I don't care much for day1. On March 14 2013 01:42 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 01:35 Promethelax wrote:On March 14 2013 01:33 prplhz wrote:On March 14 2013 01:24 Acrofales wrote:
Also, I didn't think Plexa played mafia... and I just checked. Plexa has 0 posts in the TL Mafia subforum. WTF is going on? doesn't see oooooooooooooooooooooold games but i think plexa was one of the guys setting up this forum like four score and seven years ago guess you'll have to ask the vets but bc is dead, ver is afk and fool is scum or you ask me since everything do I see since you are here how about some reads dear I'm begging you please! okay i'll ask you WTF is going on? i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. i wish people would slow down. we have 120 pages in one day, and we have a ton of new content right now (roles being used). there's no way everybody spamming away in this thread has thought everything through and read everything thoroughly so please slow down and go back and reevaluate. i know that's what i want to do right now. Sheep's marv's case on cora D1. D2 has town reads and "marv's reads" and that's it. **Actually, he looks scummy for this specific bit Show nested quote +i don't have any big reads right now. i have town reads and then i have marv's reads and that's kind of it. Rereading this over and over makes it ... scummy or role-dependant? Even if you have a townread on marv, it's super scummy not to share what scumreads of his you share and why, but instead to just claim you're sheeping his reads 100%. Unless his role requires him to do that, and we haven't seen anything as restrictive as "you must always vote for a player that x thinks if mafia." This is scummy. He looks scummier for this: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 01:08 prplhz wrote:
got a mod pm telling me that i have to vote for vivax
##Vote Vivax Again, this is really important. Someone stole his vote. HIS VOTE. There's that stupid line in some of the OPs or the PMs when you'e a VT about how all you have is your voice and your vote. His vote is gone. Does he really care? No. He just casually states it's gone. Does he seem upset by this? Does he try and figure out who did this? Does this impact how he views Vivax? Nope, just "Hai gaiz, my vote has been placed on vivax, see ya." That's both not a townie response to being the target of a votesteal AND it's downplaying something that is important. It's wifomy as to who stole whose vote and put it on whom, what parts of that are mafia's doing, but it's an important thing that happened and it's very likely that scum did the vote stealing because nobody has claimed it.
I liked his bringing up BC. I liked the points he made. That case felt legitimate, there was work that went into it, digging up things that BC had said in the past. Minor townie points for prplhz, even with BC flipping town, because it felt like it took some time, and because, assuming mafia shot BC, it was effort put into a case on a guy that they were going to kill. Please do prplhz yourself. Also, prplhz...any explanation for why the vote-steal doesn't seem to have mattered to you?
Sure, I can explain. The thing he has with Ver in the beginning, he has this weird kind of relationship with drazerk (kinda like s&b does) and it feels very real when he brings that up and compares it. I don't agree with parts of the argument he uses in talking about yamato in terms of not being a scum role, but it feels like the dumb stuff he is interested in (really reminds me of the fascination he had with adam being third party).
I have prpl as town on two things: the fact that he revealed what his role is, i think it's very unlikely considering how often he gets lynched, that as mafia he would reveal that. also he tends to kinda idolize vets and I think it's very unlikely he would go after BC as mafia.
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Corazon, why are you saying that yamato is going to die from the nuke, when it's been confirmed by the maker and giver of the nuke that they are fake?
Why aren't you reading the thread?
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One other thing Corazon.
When there are a lot of players a lot better than you telling you we're not lynching yamato, and it's very clear that we're not lynching yamato, why don't you listen?
why aren't you commenting on Foolishness?
why are you so inattentive to all thread events when normally you like to comment on everything?
why do you keep saying your flip with "confirm" yamato when it does nothing of the sort?
why are you martyring? what good do you think that will do?
hmm. that's more than one thing.
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