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Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:09 Wade Fell wrote: I'm just gonna say before i'm legit out of here, that I alone can be trusted unfailingly lynch toad and I will make the best use of the 2x vote. I laid serious smackdown on Toad (link), I brought Aquanim around (link) and evolved my position on JJ (link) in response to new evidence. I've demonstrated clearly that I should be the Mayor (link) and you could not go wrong elected me. My opponents think I'm a great mayoral candidate, and want me to be mayor even! A vote for WF is a vote for Justice! this message sponsored by WF for Mayor 2013 You got toad and prome confused? | ||
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I'll quote it here for your reading pleasure. On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Early game has been known to me for being not much serious and not very posty by many players. This early game instead kickstarted. I think an effective way to find scum in these stages is to find people who are too serious in a trolly environment and trying to look like they're posting a lot there. Now there are voices that say that policy discussion favours mafia. Given the way people were still talking about the stupid mayor dozens of pages into the thread it also seems townies love to talk about policy just cause of the sheer amount of people talking about it. That will make it hard to identify mafia just based on policy talk alone. What is instead possible is to categorize people into multiple classes based on the tone of their posts and also about policy interest, although mafia probably won't be findable just cause of the latter while townies talk so much about that as well. Proceeding - chronological order: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Me: Jokey start. MilkSuckler: Trolly start, bait post. WaveOfShadow: Motivational early post, announces he'll lay back and watch. Layabout: Posts a creepy drawing, proposes the policy to lynch policy proposers. Toad: doesn't want to be mayor. VE: Announces candidacy, asks if he should run against MS. Aquanim: Serious question to MS if he wants to run despite no bodyguards. Restraining Order: Says MS didn't read, subtly criticizes pre-written post. Toad: Talks bad about MS cause of prewritten post. Turns it into a WF support into lynching MS right after. Then unvotes and uncovers the posts' origin. ObviousOne: Candidacy of jokey nature. JJ: Mayor irrelevant, vote for the guy lynching the right guy. BH: Semi-jokey candidacy, attacks JJ for previous statement. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Prom: Candidacy with serious sounding post. BH: Explains implications of mayoral candidacy. JJ: Expresses doubts about WF's activity. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ That is enough material to extrapolate useful information for a start. The line indicates more or less the moment shit gets serious and the joke phase is over. Pretty quickly that was. Boring serious people: WoS, Toad, VE, aquanim, restraining order, JJ, Prom. In between people: Layabout, BH Jokey: Me, Milksuckler, ObviousOne Talks about mayoral election: Toad, VE, aquanim, OO, JJ, BH Doesn't talk about it: restraining order, me Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it. My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that. "Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit. To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies. Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play. Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia. JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out. The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post. Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. A bunch of soft-reads, one null read on prome. But he did find scummy things in prome, just not enough! A while later this post comes up. On February 27 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote: My case on JJ doesn't have a followup cause it isn't actually on JungleJorge, it was supposed to be on MachoMan, of which I found the response to my post to be quite townie. I put the wrong name in there (happens too often lately). + Show Spoiler + There are people who didn't even post since the game started, the reason you're not calling them scum based on general contributions is cause you are biased towards only paying attention to the things in front of you. If you don't bother looking at every player's contribution, then don't bother saying I didn't contribute much, cause I did. Maybe start looking for scum at the playerlist and not just on the last page of the thread. I don't think you're scum, but you don't need to be to play anti-town. I suggest to look for scum among the less active players. Get them to post at least. I'd especially like JJ to give more than just a defence of Prom since he seems to have actually read the thread, thing we can't be sure of regarding hassy and jcarlson. This was machomans "townie"-response vivax liked so much: On February 27 2013 00:39 The Macho Man wrote: i like vivax's post But till then no one knew that his JJ case was actually on macho man, including macho man! Seriously nothing indicates that he has the wrong name there, but he states that he does. 3 Hours after the case was posted. With numerous posts in between. I also asked him this question: On February 28 2013 00:39 glurio wrote: How about you post your reads for once vivax? All you do is ask questions without sharing anything useful. You seem to gain nothing out of all those questions. Please share some of the insight you gained out of all these questions. Three times, at least 2 times he must have read it, since he responded immediately after in the thread. He never answered. So far with 6 pages filter he only shared his reads once, and that with a terrible post where he made "mistakes" and switches names of 2 people? How can we let that slide? 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What good did you do so far? How could your read change on macho after he replied probably not knowing that you actually wrote something about him? Whats your current read on him? Why did you never share your reads although i asked you three times? | ||
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So you ask questions, how would it be if you just get ignored and don't get answers? Just like i did. You probably try to call the person out, just like i did. Still not here to make you believe i'm town, already said that. I'm here to hunt scum. I'm asking you questions, not getting answers. It's not scummy never stated that, i do find it odd that it took 3 hours to correct that, though. Maybe people don't like to put too much thought in what you write? How about starting to do some thinking so people actually read what you write. | ||
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On February 28 2013 22:55 The Milkman wrote: Glurio, I like your filter. I mean, it could use more posts and bigger, more consolidated ones, but everything in your play and reads just seems right. From what I have collected, you did agree with Wade on Milk lynch at the start of the game, you agreed with the promethelax is scum sentiment. There is one weird thing, where you disagreed with bum's plan, but supported to elect promethelax as pardoned in the end anyway. What are your current thoughts on OO? I didn't like randombuns plan because he wanted to put scum in mayor and pardoner position. Electing a scummy player as mayor just seems wrong in my eyes. What if he had killed prom and slowly gained more and more town cred? We would possibly have had a scum with two votes and maybe doc protection who knows. Didn't lile that at all. I do believe pardoner is useless so i wouldn't mind killing of that role with the D1 lynch. OO: He calls himself guilty of writing a lot with very low content, writes that he was bored with D1 instead of doing something useful. His bi-polar whatever thingie i just found disturbing. Then his little outbreak with "plz shoot me vig" is just annoying. In his vivax case he kinda seems to force a town read. (Intense interest in smurfs linked to lurker-rage) Not sure why though. I still find this quote to be most incriminating though: On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote: One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. I think it kinda shows in his filter that he didn't put much effort in the game so far. I hope he gets better in this cycle. Leaning scum on him, but thats very possible subject to change, if he puts effort in this and the next cycle. | ||
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I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote: It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote: of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote: the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote: Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote: This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote: not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_- However Jcarlsoniv Geript Junglejorge Layabout Hassy Chez likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party. Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party. Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1) | ||
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I'll vote geript right now, rather have him lynched then Chez tonight. For reason just look at my last post. Still stand by that. I'll try to be here before the deadline, but cant promise. | ||
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I mean he needs to die but why right now? Vig could just shoot him tonight. | ||
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