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@Chez sanity is making a come-back today?
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On February 26 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. How about some feedback on what I wrote. You agree or disagree. Do you think I am grasping at straws, or is the logic valid? Critique me and prove that your shadowing of VE paid off.
Can I do it when I wake up or do I have to do it now?
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Answering for you, I'll do it tomorrow.
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I figure anything I try to write just before bed will come out better after sleep.
FWIW I wasn't seriously asking for your permission. That shit was me asking me lol.
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Just finished a preliminary read through after having breakfast. Man you guys are mean to sleepy people. Lol
Anyway, I will engage in answering questions and giving my thoughts on the past 12 hours while doing my second read through which will begin when I get to a real computer.
One thought I would like to share before I go get booted up is that VE would know my scum game the best considering he's the one who taught me it. If he honestly thinks I'm mafia I'm going to be, well, vexed if that doesn't change by the end of today.
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@Milk Suckler
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358
Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him.
As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates.
One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that?
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On February 26 2013 14:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Notice the connection between Prom's fixation on confirmed townies and the fact that mafia know for certain who the town are (assuming no third party shenanigans, theorizing about third party is really a waste of time until later when it matters for LYLO) btw
This point actually really bolsters the feelings regarding Prom, I haven't checked if Prom responded to this but I know from the first read that he's AWOL right now...
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On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:
Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. This vet circle jerking has to stop nowBeing a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. Further it does not guarantee you are town.All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts. Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however: (1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance & (2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT. I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet.The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along.
Show nested quote +This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. . Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount...
(Milk vs. Prom) Here my first reaction is screaming in my head "IT'S A BUS IT'S A BUS" but my first reactions are typically wrong. Why insult the majority of the game? Where's the town mindset in that? Why not just say it nicely such as if you more experienced players would be so kind as to note when the lesser-experienced players say something useful and expand upon it that would be much appreciated instead of going on about knee-pads? Just having a WTF moment reading this.
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On February 27 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:39 ObviousOne wrote:@Milk Suckler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that? Because Aquanim was the only one who actually acknowledged me; for the record I actually was feeling ignored but I had to go for a bit and wanted to see if anyone would react to me intentionally lurking. As for your talk of me 180ing...what?
Not you 180'ing. That was about Prom
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On February 27 2013 03:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed
Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird.
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I am giving my reactions to the game Restraining Order. Or are you going to place a restraining order on me?
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What that I said about the first four hours of the game regarding my play was wrong? I was having fun and talking to people IN THE MOMENT. As has been discussed to death already, the RNG proposition sent us into hours of FUBAR mode. Literally anything was better than trying to have the RNG conversation. I made one comment regarding it and it was self contained joke/dismissal.
On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch!
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On February 26 2013 16:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
You can't scrutinize what's not there Wave. *shrug* We let PRs deal with the trash and try and find scum in the posters that's all we can do man.
I hope you're not talking about me here =[
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On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted?
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On February 27 2013 04:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote:On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote:
I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves.
I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? conspiracy theories are fuN! Let's make some more.... if you were in a story, what or who would you be?
Farmhand Bob the Zealot.
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I took it a few steps further. I tend to push the envelope.
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How does Chezinu feel about the day's work and whom does Chezinu feel should receive their just desserts?
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On February 27 2013 01:43 layabout wrote:I will give my thoughts on prom in a bit but right now i want aquanim as mayor/pardoner but if we are certain that the mayor will die then BH should go for it. + Show Spoiler +since he wants to and since i don't want to play with him
I need this expanded on. I'm feeling a bit dense at this present moment. What is this all about, layabout?
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Vayesh is right where Vayesh wants to be right now. He is, in fact, part of the Brotherhood.
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Okay, caught up on a second read-through. Going to do a couple filters now for players I don't even remember being in the game. Thanks for the idea DocH.
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