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On February 27 2013 03:53 Toadesstern wrote:Have you ever played with Vivax before doctH? Or read a game with him? I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread: That's the guy you're dealing with... On a sidenote: Hassy you here?
I'm not going to put up with people being always allowed to suck because everyone is too afraid to point a finger at someone for being bad based on meta. If it were up to me people like kenpachi/grush57 would be banned for life but since that won't happen at least I can hope after getting lynched a billion times for being bad town they might take a hint and reexamine the way they play the game. What Vivax is doing is consistent with the things I look for to find scum, so I'm not backing down just because he was a stupid town in another game.
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On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?
Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid.
And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted.
Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.
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What if I just ran for mayor? I don't like blqzinghand and don't trust him to not change his mind. If you wanna vote me in go ahead, scum will kill me anyway
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Ill lynch prom barring someone else coming up and looking even worse. Seems unlikely.
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On February 27 2013 06:46 Vivax wrote:Dude start scumhunting wtf are you doing so useless.
Why are you tilting so hard? Move on and try to consolidate your analysis better. I'm not going to lynch you if I'm elected so do something better with your time.
Also regarding jj - in what way is defending someone supposed to pressure them? If I was scum getting defended by town why would I respond to the defense instead of the others attacking me? What nonsense, vig should consider wasting him tonight.
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Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time.
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Tl; dr no one is confirmed or proven so popping in to say that can only serve to make actual townies second guess their goals and instincts. "He might be scum...I dunno its iffy" is at the bottom of the totem pole of things that help town
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On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote:
Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case.
You're not getting lynched tonight, so it would be a complete waste of my time.
Pressure makes mafia crack and form cases. Cases are to get mafia lynched. I could throw out more cases now but it wouldn't be productive. That case would get buried and then day 2 discussion would go in a different direction. Focus is important.
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Nothing hard, its just illogical. I have zero interest in being pardoner.
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I've been at work on my phone so I apologize for not being clear but quoting is a bitch. Testsubject, that post was 80% aimed at geript. My point really is someone getting trust is only a problem of you hate their ideas or think they are likely scum. Hopefully we are all aware that noone is confirmed at this point so its a nonissue. The only outcome of a post like that is either seeding distrust on town or making me defend against nothing. May be an honest townie mistake though, its important to look at your posts as a means to the end of killing scum.
As far as interest in mayor again I've made it clear I don't care who is elected. Only who is lynched. If a scum mayor wins and busses prom thats a town victory in my book. I'm only now saying if people would rather vote me, then its fine. How this an obvious scum ploy to grab pardoner i don't understand.
Geript, should I be lynched today? Straight up do you think I'm scum?
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Also i don't see how any good case could be dependant on a flip. Not like mafia attack eachother in thread or buddy on townies or anything. It certainly makes analysis easier but I think people can definitely get caught up in trying to look at connections more than individuals. I think if prom flips red its unlikely everyone defending him is scum.
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I'm too aggressive to be overlooked. Don't worry about that.
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Geript. The only thing I have left to ask you is this. Your suspicion of me is based on the fact that all of my actions, according to you, are made with the intention of becoming pardoner - a role which I have myself said is inherently anti-town and you would seem to agree. This being said, what reason would you possibly have to believe that I am town? You seem completely convinced that I am basing my play right now around an admitted and extremely anti-town intention yet are unwilling to push me or actually call me scum. I can't wrap my head around that. What is the point of your pressure then?
I decided I would be alright with people voting for me because at the time I was unsure about what VE would actually do with his lynch and people were becoming fairly less confident in Wade Fell. I want prom dead today and the only way I can ensure that happens is by becoming mayor. I'm a huge target for scum regardless, so that doesn't really matter much at this point. If you don't accept that reasoning and still wish to claim that I am trying to sneak into pardoner, then there is absolutely no logical reason that you aren't sure I am scum at this point. I think it is because you are mafia therefore KNOW I am town and are afraid to really call me out. Sowing seeds of mistrust, discrediting me, trying to rouse suspicion among the town and see if anyone bites, classic techniques for a mafia afraid to actually start a bandwagon. So do it. Convince the thread I am scum. Anyone following your reasoning to the logical conclusion can only decide that I am mafia, so don't beat around the bush.
As far as Prom flipping green affecting my future scumhunting, it really wouldn't. I'd never build a serious case around Player A defending Player B because it's WIFOM. It is certainly context that is important to a case, but the real methods used to determine whether or not a player is scum is the intention of their logic. I wouldn't simply look at the fact that a player defended or voted or whatever for a flipped town/scum, what's important is how they did it and that kind of behavior remains the same regardless of what the flip is.
The only thing that might change is I'd become slightly more inclined to believe JJ is stupid rather than scum. The particular scum motivations I see in his bait-switch with Prom only make sense if Prom is scum. However, regardless of the flip I would still need to reread JJ's filter.
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They didn't go anywhere, just lost in the phase of discussion the town was in. I have suspicions about all of those players but as I just got home from work I probably won't do careful reading of their filters and the discussions they were involved in until tomorrow, so I don't really think there's any value in repeating obsolete information.
I remember reading something from WoS that made me extremely suspicious earlier but I actually don't remember what it was, so I'll have to revisit that later. I can't hard-pressure everyone at the same time, although I do try sometimes.
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I don't even read Toades posts so lol
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On February 27 2013 15:57 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ultimately I'm still leaning scum, but his suggestion at the beginning of the game wasn't a bad one if we can pull it off. I want to see more from him. It wasnt a bad suggestion yes. BUT IMHO its not alignment indicative. Its an easy stance to take (especially for a guy that has played in a setup with the role before) Further, yes the pardoner might save a lynch; but it effectively makes the pardoner the lynch the next day. I can see scum suggesting to throw this role away no probz. Especially early day1, before the QT is fully organized. Agreed on all other points.
Scum uses pardoner to force an earlier LYLO, not to save the first teammate on the gallows. It can actually be the difference between winning/losing later in the game. It's not entirely insignificant.
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On February 27 2013 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
But you're prescient enough to know his plan right?
The pardoner thing, yeah. I find his logic extremely difficult to follow so I usually just skim his posts.
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Waste of time and discussion
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God VE do you have to post every time you think of something
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