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On March 11 2013 11:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My inactivity is 2/3rds the fact that I'm usually at work during the majority of the days discussion and filter diving has become really unattractive in a game that I would have conceded days ago if I were scum.

It's not beyond my reach but it's not something I ever do. Different people scumhunt in different ways. I limit myself to looking strictly between the lines because it's the thing I think I'm best at. It's why my Day 1 reads are so good and then my game takes a dive after that because I try to branch off with my analysis into things I'm not very good at doing. Some people like to catch scum by thinking really hard about the setup/night actions and laying traps or catching people in impossible logic/bad roleclaims. Those players fill that role pretty well and I don't because it's not the thing about mafia I find interesting, I just want to look at the behavior side of things. Some people like to ask lots of questions, some people like to rely on association reads, some people like to conspiracy theory, etc.

I don't do any of those games. I swear to you I've gone 3-4 days into a game as town without even realizing there was a certain role in the game. Someone starts talking about the mad hatter and I didn't even know there was a mad hatter. I don't care because it's not really relevant to the way I analyze things. It's an aspect of my game I absolutely should improve on though, I'll give you that.

If I was assuming mafia had 3 KP how would I make that assumption if I were scum? That's a point +100000 for how lazy I'm playing but has nothing to do with my alignment. I figured mafia killed MilkSuckler after learning his bombs weren't on any of them and the fourth KP I didn't really pay attention to but you're right, it must be the bartender.

And the 5th? Even during this conversation you're essentially telling me you don't care. That's not a towny way to play. At all. The only night it ever would have been possible for scum to have 3 KP was right at the start of the game. (Not including dayvig). You're really telling me that you don't ever read roles or flips or ANYTHING all throughout a game? It doesn't even make sense to me how you could play a game of mafia that way without blowing reads completely and sounding really stupid every single time you're proven wrong.

I would tell you this though, as scum I take things very seriously and if I stopped caring about the game I'd at least ask for a replacement out of respect for my teammates. I wouldn't just tank and stop caring like I am now because I figured town had won a long time ago. Do you watch sports? It's like when an elite team plays against some scrub team not even going to make the playoffs and gets owned because they underestimate their opponents and don't even try. That's what I've done in this game. I won't make any promises that I will care a lot later but if I'm the last scum in this game, I would throw in the towel the right way which is a PM to GreYMisT.

There's only one scum left right now and clearly he hasn't thrown in the towel yet. If this is some 'subtle' way of calling me scum and telling me to give in, even that makes no sense because scum has a real chance of winning this game right now. WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO FIND HIM.

What I have learned to trust is my Day 1/2 analysis when I was caring about this game and I'm trying to get back in touch with what I was thinking then and put the rest of events into perspective. Vivax had absolutely no response to my case and after some weak confusion about the night actions there wasn't much of a defense except for people who wanted jcarlsoniv dead instead. It's not just that you had soniv as a higher scumread than Vivax (I'm dubious about that because I think I nailed him pretty hard on Day 1 but just got sidetracked whereas Jcarls at least put surface effort into scumhunting and was more townie about the way he acted by far) but you seemed to be legitimately upset that Vivax would be lynched at all. Now MilkSuckler is gone.
Show me where Soniv put effort into scumhunting besides a few measly questions and maybe one case throughout his whole tenure in this thread. He was useless. What contributions did he make to help out the town? I defy you to tell me how he helped. I stood by the mislynch on Geript and I stand by my reads on Soniv.

So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best.
Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.

So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best.

Nope, but I already demonstrated your 2rd party motivations.

On March 11 2013 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm the bartender who doesn't even know what the bartender does until now

oh i see