Welp, guess there's no convincing anyone since I basically haven't been listened to all game.
Good luck town, you're going to need it. Basically the only chance you guys have is if mafia hits the bartender tonight, and I'm not so sure it's within mafia's best interests to do that.
I'll change my vote to randombum since it's the only chance in hell I've got to save myself, not that it matters since even if I live another day I still won't be able to make you stubborn sons of bitches listen to me.

##Unvote: DoctorHelvetica
##Vote: randombum

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 20:59 GMT

#4242

Explain this WoS. Name a reason for the bartender to have ignited night 5 unless he was despreate? The only person in a dire situation with a suckler flip would be you.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:01 GMT

#4243

To make it easy as fuck to frame me?

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:02 GMT

#4244

How does that help the bar-tender. Your up next anyways.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:03 GMT

#4245

Or at least that's how the thread sentiment was going. But, if you are the bartender and you ignite night 5 then at least you have that defense regardless of this fact: They wouldn't need to have ignited to frame you. They could have simply voice their opinion and put their vote there.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:04 GMT

#4246

If the bartender doesn't get hit tonight he can win real easy since he's been manipulating the fuck out of us all from the start anyway.
Honestly, I've put in about as much effort as I can guys. This isn't me martyring, but I am either literally not good enough at this to be able to convince you, (nor have I been all game with cases I've made apparently) or you've already made up your minds. If you guys are so sure of the lynch on me, make it happen and I guess I have to take some blame in the loss for not being better at the game. I've been avoiding playing the noob card all game but since I'm about to exit anyway it's the last card I've got.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:08 GMT

#4247

Do you still believe Dr.H is the bartender?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:11 GMT

#4248

I don't fucking know what to believe.
No one else who is still alive right now has been under any serious suspicion all game. DrH as bartender makes the most sense to me considering his recent post history but I have to keep my vote on you to save my own ass just in case there is a last minute switch.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:14 GMT

#4249

It would make sense in a way. But like I said I don't see any reason whatsoever for a bartender Dr.H to have ignited. Like literally 0 reasons.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:19 GMT

#4250

Well as I said, I've got nothing else to go on. If you really think I need to be lynched then go ahead and do it, but with 1.5 hours to go I've just got nothing left in me. If by some miracle I survive then I can try to put something together for the next day but that all hinges on people actually listening to what I have to say. Hell I guess if it's only 3 people on D7 (if that happens) I guess they'd have to huh?

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:20 GMT

#4251

I think you are the bar-tender. If you can find me scum in said 1.5 hours I'd be willing to listen.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:21 GMT

#4252

DrH is just so much more believable than me I guess ever since his effort on D1, but now he's doing the exact same thing he did before. Put in a whole bunch of effort knowing that the train is set, then leaves.

He even said he was going to do a full case on me but never did because HE DIDN'T NEED TO. He'd already convinced all of you with minimal effort. Just quoted his own earlier post on me from fucking two weeks ago, even though he had since changed his opinion of me and called me towny. Like...what else do you need me to show you guys??

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:21 GMT

#4253

I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:24 GMT

#4254

I have no fucking clue who scum is, but it makes more sense to lynch scum tonight than bartender since he needs two nights to make a kill. I'll go wherever I need to go at this point, since most people just don't seem to care one way or another. Damn you scum/bartender for leaving me alive to face this shit. Leave the bad townie 'till the end because people are always going to throw suspicion on me to make your lives easier.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:27 GMT

#4255

The thing is, I don't think Dr.H ever set the train on anybody. Lets go by the lynch order. Prom, chez, geript, gluri, and vivax.

Prom- lots of people made cases on him Dr.H was one of him, but I believe prom would have been lynched without Dr.H
Chez- pretty much all wade.
Geript- started with wade, then pretty much geript himself self-exploding.
Glurio- Started from macho man, then milk got behind it. I forgot how Dr.H fit in here
Vivax- JJ + milksuckler figuring out night action logic which pointed towards vivax

In none of them would I say Dr.H set the train. He was relatively involved in all of them, but I think they would have happened without him.

TestSubject893

United States774 Posts

March 11 2013 21:28 GMT

#4256

On March 12 2013 06:21 randombum wrote:
I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there.

What else do you want me to say? I think that discussion between WoS and DrH was telling. WoS seemed all over the place in his motivation, trying just to discredit DrH rather than show he was scum.

TestSubject893

United States774 Posts

March 11 2013 21:30 GMT

#4257

On March 12 2013 06:27 randombum wrote:
The thing is, I don't think Dr.H ever set the train on anybody. Lets go by the lynch order. Prom, chez, geript, gluri, and vivax.

Prom- lots of people made cases on him Dr.H was one of him, but I believe prom would have been lynched without Dr.H
Chez- pretty much all wade.
Geript- started with wade, then pretty much geript himself self-exploding.
Glurio- Started from macho man, then milk got behind it. I forgot how Dr.H fit in here
Vivax- JJ + milksuckler figuring out night action logic which pointed towards vivax

In none of them would I say Dr.H set the train. He was relatively involved in all of them, but I think they would have happened without him.

What are you getting at with this? I'm not following.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

March 11 2013 21:30 GMT

#4258

I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into.
And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."

My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV.

randombum

United States2378 Posts

March 11 2013 21:32 GMT

#4259

That was towards WoS. It's pretty much meant for:

On March 12 2013 06:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
DrH is just so much more believable than me I guess ever since his effort on D1, but now he's doing the exact same thing he did before. Put in a whole bunch of effort knowing that the train is set, then leaves.

He even said he was going to do a full case on me but never did because HE DIDN'T NEED TO. He'd already convinced all of you with minimal effort. Just quoted his own earlier post on me from fucking two weeks ago, even though he had since changed his opinion of me and called me towny. Like...what else do you need me to show you guys??

I'm just trying to see how Dr.H ever set the train.

TestSubject893

United States774 Posts

March 11 2013 21:32 GMT

#4260

On March 12 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into.
And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."

My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV.

I don't think that's 3rd party motivated. He was putting a big target on his back by being so vocal and helpful to the town. I think DrH is the least likely player remaining to be bartender. He could be scum though.