EPTTL Mafia LX - Page 19
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Explain how that is a scumtell though | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
tell me why not caring translates into scum in my case and why this means i am mafia instead of just bored | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
It's not beyond my reach but it's not something I ever do. Different people scumhunt in different ways. I limit myself to looking strictly between the lines because it's the thing I think I'm best at. It's why my Day 1 reads are so good and then my game takes a dive after that because I try to branch off with my analysis into things I'm not very good at doing. Some people like to catch scum by thinking really hard about the setup/night actions and laying traps or catching people in impossible logic/bad roleclaims. Those players fill that role pretty well and I don't because it's not the thing about mafia I find interesting, I just want to look at the behavior side of things. Some people like to ask lots of questions, some people like to rely on association reads, some people like to conspiracy theory, etc. I don't do any of those games. I swear to you I've gone 3-4 days into a game as town without even realizing there was a certain role in the game. Someone starts talking about the mad hatter and I didn't even know there was a mad hatter. I don't care because it's not really relevant to the way I analyze things. It's an aspect of my game I absolutely should improve on though, I'll give you that. If I was assuming mafia had 3 KP how would I make that assumption if I were scum? That's a point +100000 for how lazy I'm playing but has nothing to do with my alignment. I figured mafia killed MilkSuckler after learning his bombs weren't on any of them and the fourth KP I didn't really pay attention to but you're right, it must be the bartender. I would tell you this though, as scum I take things very seriously and if I stopped caring about the game I'd at least ask for a replacement out of respect for my teammates. I wouldn't just tank and stop caring like I am now because I figured town had won a long time ago. Do you watch sports? It's like when an elite team plays against some scrub team not even going to make the playoffs and gets owned because they underestimate their opponents and don't even try. That's what I've done in this game. I won't make any promises that I will care a lot later but if I'm the last scum in this game, I would throw in the towel the right way which is a PM to GreYMisT. What I have learned to trust is my Day 1/2 analysis when I was caring about this game and I'm trying to get back in touch with what I was thinking then and put the rest of events into perspective. Vivax had absolutely no response to my case and after some weak confusion about the night actions there wasn't much of a defense except for people who wanted jcarlsoniv dead instead. It's not just that you had soniv as a higher scumread than Vivax (I'm dubious about that because I think I nailed him pretty hard on Day 1 but just got sidetracked whereas Jcarls at least put surface effort into scumhunting and was more townie about the way he acted by far) but you seemed to be legitimately upset that Vivax would be lynched at all. Now MilkSuckler is gone. So far you've managed to demonstrate that I've lacked interest and effort in this game - as is true for every game I play in - but now can you demonstrate why that makes me scum and what my scum motivations are for not even reading what happens? So I can reference my disinterested town meta that you have no idea about since it's been almost a year since I've been active? So I can make a meta defense (which I hate doing) against people who don't know me? That's a conspiracy theory at best. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
oh i see | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: GG guys! I'm really sad we fucked up due to inactivity but I'll try harder to make more cases lategame nest time. Any specific criticisms anyone has for me? (Aside from less WIFOMing myself and conspiracy theories?) More focus. Spend more time thinking about your top reads and tunneling on those. Try to parse out what scumtells worked for you in this game and which ones didn't and go back through scum filters and really look at the behavior over anything else. In general, just increasing your focus and ability to communicate your reads more concisely to the town will make you a better player. I felt like you were kind of all over the place with what you were posting about and pretty much everyone can benefit from trimming the fat and working on their scumhunting | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 08:28 layabout wrote: 1) why did you modkill toad and not hassy when hassy told toad stuff about the game?? 2) why the hell did y'all think toad was mafia??? 3)can anybody tell why they found me so scummy? 1) I personally wouldn't modkill a player for a slip like that, I'd talk to both of them in private and make sure that none of them ever brought it up in the thread. Toadesstern did the right thing by not going after hassy in that regard. Toades used outside information to push his own alignment and that's definitely intentional cheating imo, I was the one who brought it to the attention of the mods. 2) I have a better sense of his personality now. I just found it extremely convenient that he was that confident about a read 2 hours into the first day, tbh I don't think Prom's RNG stuff would have been incredibly problematic if he had improved his play later instead of basically scumclaiming. He used the rest of the day to push his town cred and insult everybody else and I just didn't see the townieness in it. I don't understand why he went off to say that the people that pushed Prom were basically confirmed town either and then martyred himself on top of all of that. It was very disappointing to me when he flipped. 3) Your interest in the game seemed really passive and I guess that's just the kind of player you are. I don't pay enough attention to the metagame/personality of particular people and it throws my reads off but I never really pushed you anyway. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:24 TestSubject893 wrote: I had convinced myself you were scum sometime around day 3, but was too afraid of the spotlight to say anything. Scum either left me alive to push a late mislynch or they could feel my interest level/reads were poor enough that I wasn't a threat. My play was great Day 1, I stand by that, but when you don't read the thread for yourself it's easy to get swayed by mafia. I think by the time it was close to LYLO, I hadn't been interested in the thread for a while and there just wasn't enough time to really catch up and put all the pieces together. Funnily enough, I was reading the WoS lynch about an hour before it happened at work, locking up trailers, and the first thing I thought was "I really think I should have pushed TestSubject today". An hour later, WoS flips settler. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote: Dr.H/anyone: Can i please have some constructive feedback? I thought you played pretty well. Read Ver's guide, look at your reads in this game and just tighten up your play. It's important to look at the instances you were right and why you were right, the instances you were wrong and why you were wrong, and then come to some kind of evaluation about what you contributed. Look through your filter and try to check off the kind of posts you made that didn't add anything productive and all of that. I thought you did an excellent job as far as sticking to your reads and you seemed pretty confident. That's a plus. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:32 Toadesstern wrote: where did I use outside information to push my own alignment? Posting IRC/Whatever logs about you talking with another player about how town you were Saying you were talking with other people on skype and how they all knew you were town and thought we were stupid That's not ok. In fact I was going to quit the game if you weren't modkilled for it. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: To be fair, this is a sentiment that was fostered early on by Vivax...but whatever, I felt like I needed to say it to you because that's something you bought into. I basically forgot about my case on Vivax (lazy) but after he flipped blue in BEM I was pretty much 99.999% he was mafia in this game. | ||
| ||
