EPTi seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam
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i seen enough on toad to go ahead with that lynch full steam | ||
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But in short I liked his approach, and have thought he was town for a while, as evidenced by my last will and comments prior. I never had a reason to read him in detail which was why I couldn't isolate my thoughts. If chez is town vig then I still have no reason to read his filter. ======= OO you are lucky I got a hard on for toad right now. Whilst again I appreciate u took the time to read the thread. That's a commitment all of us r stuck with. The 27 pages have been condensed down to what again is a big summary post with one or two quotes u think r `gems`. There is minimal -if any- analysis and again u come back with zero pressure. E.g. U accuse me of having a scum game like this, then call me town.. I know from the shadowing of be.. U are capable of detailed analysis but its not here. The zealous approach u take only looks clean for so long... | ||
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On March 01 2013 18:30 ObviousOne wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=128#2541. Firstly, much better post than your last one. I would still prefer more 'exploration'; and more of a conclusion - as this seems to be a feeler post. I find a couple things interesting here too: p50; layabout decides to support the prome lynch, and then leaves his options by throwing some town pointers on prome -> which is where the hassy reference ties in. On February 26 2013 11:53 Promethelax wrote: Hassy vanished. Scummy. On February 26 2013 11:55 Promethelax wrote: You k ow hassy at all? Would he vanish like that as town? If anything, this makes hassy more likely to be town (unfortunately) ... i.e. prome sniffed an easy target to push as scum. p53; Dunno if the stuff with BH is "not game relevant".... I have only seen selfish motivations for BH so far - not explicitly town motivations.. so i dont rule out him being a rouge scum (i.e. everyone gives him some hate for distancing).. I figured if he was scum it would be easier to ascertain later cycles, so left him be. As for the quote: how stupid is that (in my opinion).. chaos bear requires a replacement and has zero posts.. how do you do consider him? As for the lurker lynch comment, that could easily be him defending himself. So in short, its a complete fluff post... and the tie with hassy I take more as a pretend-to-contribute moment, than, trying to save scum buddy hassy. [ I admit this is biased by me saying hassy more likely to be town from p50] It actually also reads as if he has no qualms with a hassybaby shooting.... p115; Now this post rang massive alarm bells for me when I read it the first time. The defense is: hassy won pardoner before and didnt use it... how does any of that apply to this game? Translation: when hassy is town he *CAN* be trustworthy in instances. How does this go towards identifying *THIS GAME* that hassy is town... it dosent.. so why throw it in there? In short: I can not see a town motivation for unveiling this information. If layabout has a town read on hassy; there has been no progression in his filter to corroborate this. This is exacerbated by the chaos reference lurker lynch p53 reference, where he seems to have no issue with a hassy death => can not have a town read. As stated before: the post does nothing to devine the alignment of Hassy and also reads as a discredit on aquanim. So then.. why unveil this information? My gut says: he was aware of the game info (prob played in it) and took it as a cheap way to contribute and make it look like he is paying attention to the intricacies of the game. There is no town motivation for this.. I am happy to start/join a layabout lynch *IF* toad doesnt get traction. | ||
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I haven't forgotten about your request I will get onto it tomorrow, most likely in the afternoon (weekends are always busy for me) and tonight is no good for me either. Thanks for your patience. | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:56 TestSubject893 wrote: I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. TestSubject893 In regards to Aquanim...I dont see how that quote makes him scummy. It reads literal. Prome lynch was secure; so there is value to gain by introducing your secondary read. They know they won't get lynched and the case dies. So how can you still help town: if others are introducing cases.. are they doing it because they have a stronger read than prome; or because they are trying to derail the lynch... I believe this was the jist of aqua phrasing.. and I dont see scummy motivations from what you have proposed. ================ For me, you are in the same boat as OO. I know both of you guys are keen players, and capable of delving into things. I am still trying to figure out whether your posts are intentionally lacking content; or whether, you are getting lost in thread/player count. Right now, I am gravitating towards point 2 for both of you (OO really reads to me like an excited puppy lol). But if the content doesnt start improving, that heuristic is going to be thrown out the window pretty soon. *if you want clarification on why there is no content... you guys are taking shallow reads off quotes, as in.. your "analysis" is a word for word of the phrasing (e.g. he thinks that posting cases is bad).. its like your looking for scum slips instead of scum behaviour* | ||
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On March 01 2013 20:03 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote MachoMan see you in 48 hours. not Grush57 anymore dear :p | ||
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Check a post I made on p.128in reply to OO regarding layabout. Contains 1 reason to treat hassy as bad town instead.. Do u disagree with the heuristic? | ||
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(1) Im liking Geript MUCH MORE than WaveofShadows right now. (2) Dr.h is starting to look suspect to me, quite a few oddities in his accusations recently compared to D1 play... even simple things like not knowing the protecteron = jailkeeper is odd.. hes meant to be the guy that checks the facts before posting... this is quite a slip in D1 behavior C ya guys. | ||
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On March 02 2013 16:15 Wade Fell wrote: Mocsta is the terror that lurks in the darkness, the void between this world and the next, he who straddles the rift. With fear and darkness his creeps into the minds of the unwary, whispering seductive lies of villainy and heartlessness and turning peaceful men into creeping horrors [For Mr.CC] Care to Expound? [For Wade Fell] In one FELL swoop; you name: Chezinu, Geript, MilkSuckler as the scum team? lol I think this is just OMGUS for me having a bigger 8======D.. its ok, I forgive you Wade. | ||
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On March 02 2013 17:13 Wade Fell wrote: aquabro remember when you were doubting on the prom case, and i was chilltacular and explained it? I am a chilltacular dude I encourage dudes to chillax That explanation with Aquanim is the ONLY reason I think you're town... | ||
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Im swapping my vote to Chezinu .. for all the points already expressed. Im still confused by JJ role claim.. (before Toad died).. it gave scum two blues to NK? I just dont get it. Be back in a few hours | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:54 MilkSuckler wrote: MilkSuckler N1 Last Will Restraining Order: Yes Has this guy done anything? One of my higher priority targets to follow up on Restraining Order Your filter in summary
This is one of your last posts On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Now that over 72hrs has passed, can you please update who your top 4 scum reads are. I presume prome is replaced by Chezinu. Hence, if JJ/Geript/Vivax are still the other 3, can you please provide some dot point reasoning on why. | ||
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On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBum On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu? What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 | ||
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On March 02 2013 19:25 MilkSuckler wrote: Im still confused by JJ role claim.. (before Toad died).. it gave scum two blues to NK? I just dont get it. On March 02 2013 23:58 layabout wrote: milk i am fairly sure the point of it was that dr.h was saying that Toad/vivax was a confirmed liar/scum based on them both being roleblocked. @Layabout Yeah, but Dr.H was spewing false information at the time.. My point is: *IF* JJ was town and RB'd Toad.. why admit to it? Lets say, the claim saved Toad from lynch.. then with 2 Mafia KP, we lose JJ & Toad during the night. The outcome of saving Toad becomes pointless. Now JJ talks up his game as if he is ?Syllogism? so I expect with his pedigree, to be fully aware of the risk outcome. Fuck, he could even be day-vigged for that. So I am left with why make the post in the first place? ================ personality i wrote geript off as newbie town day1 when he decided his main goal was to stop Dr.h being pardoner but not mayor. I know what you mean. His continual tenacity makes me want to write him off as town.. But.. he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets".My main issue with Geript is I played with him last game (as scum).. and felt the need to shoot him Night 1. That game, he was logical, and clearly cut through the bullshit I was weaving. He was also aggressive without being obnoxious. This game, there is a clear contrast in play: and if he was confirmed town, I dont see scum shooting him any time soon. | ||
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On March 01 2013 12:52 geript wrote: Promethelax (5): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax, Layabout I wasn't arguing for town cred from the Prom pardoner push. My argument is that VE was in the lead (and VE ie honey badger does what he wants) wouldn't scum want to force Prome's bussing? Interesting that Toad shows up here too hunh? KK. Long delayed but a pr0m153 is a promise. My short reads on the ppl vote swapping end of D1 cycle. Geript: Probably Scum... On March 03 2013 00:14 MilkSuckler wrote: His continual tenacity makes me want to write him off as town.. But.. he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets". My main issue with Geript is I played with him last game (as scum).. and felt the need to shoot him Night 1. That game, he was logical, and clearly cut through the bullshit I was weaving. He was also aggressive without being obnoxious. This game, there is a clear contrast in play: and if he was confirmed town, I dont see scum shooting him any time soon. TestSubject893: Probably Town... from early game is suspicious of pardoner role with a genuine conviction. Late Day1 play follows that.. i also really liked his transparency of thought regarding his when he made his promise of reads (that I called him out on). Vivax: Learning Town...I am not used to playing with a non-crazy Vivax. He has really toned it down, which makes me inherently suspicious. If I judge purely off how he has pushed his reads, I am inclined to lean town. Regardless of the outcome of Milkman, I was pretty impressed how he went about pushing that read/case. The effort to go in and re-communicate that case in different format.. i just dont see scum making that effort. Layabout: Leaning Town...Was one of the few with clairvoyance during the vote craze of D1 end; and trying to ensure prome didnt get pardoner. His targets for pressure have aligned somewhat with mine. | ||
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On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses. Thoughts? | ||
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On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses. @ALL Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: by the way if the mad hatter had bombs on chezinu and geript id consider lynching the mad hatter or testsubject/geript just blow this game up and let's see what we have on day 3 The flavour says, hatter/engineer can only lay 1 bomb per night.. so if you do that, u kill 1 guy for 1 return. also.. On March 03 2013 01:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Who was it that said JJ was scum for claiming Jailer? That person is likely scum and should get shot. That is absolute retardation JJ is confirmed town the only scenario in which JJ could be lying is one in which JJ and Vivax are both scum if I'm actually thinking clearly right now On March 02 2013 07:20 Wade Fell wrote: It's a meaningless claim. The only thing it does is make him look scummier I believe it was Wade Fell. i still dont get why it makes him confirmed town (as per here) | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well thats interesting that you profess this reasoning.I actually wondered about that bit too, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him clarify before I call it a scumslip. And you because you were there with geript pushing doubt and nothing else on Day 1 Prom Lynch and you're playing very scared and hesitant. Problem with mafia game is differentiating new and scared town from mafia can be pretty hard so I'd hope you start putting some pep in your step and show some initiative here. TestSubject is one of my stronger town reads.. if we look @ your point about doubt.. the way TestSubject has gone about has been transparent and relatively paranoid. - i.e. townie Geript has spewed false logic, and is actively trying to create doubt and chaos. i.e. scummie | ||
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