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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I don't get where you are assuming that Chezinu is town, I agree that it's unlikely that town has 2 dayvigs and 1 vig, so one of the dayvigs has to be scum, in case that grush really is a dayvig, and it's our top priority to find that out. Confused 2 Dayvig with 2 nightvig while I was driving to work after reading this post. So there was no second claim. I still find it unlikely scum has a dayvig and town doesn't. I've hosted a fair few games and when you give scum confirmable role, there needs to be a risk like having a town counterpart that can claim. That's why when you have a town mason, you gotta pair with a scum mason or at least leave it open as a possibility. A town dayvig shouldn't have fear of using his power because a counterclaim would only work in his own favor, he doesn't need to fear the setup wheras a scum dayvig without knowledge of whether there is a town dayvig or not has no fear. That is all out the window since Chezinu thought he was going to be shot by the other dayvig so ultimately I now think his play is not alignment indicative itself but no countershot does leave me wondering. His utter lack of contribution is extremely worrisome. On March 02 2013 06:35 geript wrote: This looks like a scum slip to me. Like someone in scum QT wrote there are 2 vigs (referring to Chez/Vivax) and he came over here with the assumption of 2 night vigs. I had the feeling before that WoS was scripting things. After thinking about Chez more, I buy him as town day big. I think he's right on with his list. That is the most asinine logic I've ever heard. "It's kinda like this happened so yeah he's probably scum". It could also be like the other 1000000000 times I've misread someones post and asked about it. Going back through Day 1 (since Toades flipped town after all) I'm now looking at players who immediately resisted Prom in an odd way or tried to deflect discussion/sow mistrust in the town as the lynch gained steam. Let's look at Geript on Day 1. On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players. My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read ## vote geript His mayoral campaign. He hasn't shown a huge amount of effort in reading filters in any case. My argument with Geript over whether or not I was just stealing pardoner is there. He's finally calling me scum now. But my original point still stands. Geripts logic over Day 1 and early Day 2 is this: 1. DoctorH is intentionally trying to get a scum role 2. DoctorH is intentionally lying about his campaign on purpose How could he possibly not conclude I am scum earlier than now? There is absolutely no town reason to do either of those 2 things, yet he was unwilling to call me out on either point. He does not talk about Prom at all and makes no effort to push his original scumread through out the progression of Day 1. As though making his case was enough contribution to blend in. On February 27 2013 09:33 geript wrote: The difference I'm seeing between RO and Prome is that Prome has an underlying agenda; I don't see Prome as being disinterested. Doesn't see the martrying as scummy (most unbelievably scummy thing a player can do) and misses the incredible scumslip logic in Prom's farewell. Never mentions it until asked. On February 27 2013 09:35 geript wrote: Can you really say that this is an actually attempt to try and move the mayor role from VE? It is an attempt to assure Promethelax is lynched. On February 27 2013 12:51 geript wrote: So Aqua, what do you think of Dr.H? On February 27 2013 14:59 geript wrote: I'm arguing what his motivation is from what his actions are; call that what you will. No my stance has since his previous posts has become more firm in that I trust him even less. His stance in actuality is that he is fine with becoming either wanting to allow people to slide him in. Why would a town player be actively opposed to being pardoner anyway? I'm never going to use the power so it ends up meaning nothing to me as an individual. On February 28 2013 03:10 geript wrote: Because there are conflicting reads imo; I actually like many of your posts as I can follow them and see where your head is at an a general direction. I'm just not sold that I'm not being played. In the case of conflicting reads I want more information so I can make a better informed decision and I want to try and remove any confirmation bias. This is why I'd strongly prefer to soft force the Mayor to lynch the pardoner. They want Prom out, fine; force them to follow up on that. Having him sit around to be town-lynched makes little sense unless they actually think he's town. If people want to pull "shennannies" then I have no interest in them being mayor as they are more likely lying to us. Since most everyone seems at least ok with Prome being lynched, I suggest moving secondary votes on him to force them to lynch him or risk giving him pardoner long-term. It doesn't matter. He can't explain what is town about what I'm doing, just that he is able to follow my logic. But he clearly doesn't accept or believe that I'm not just trying to steal pardoner. Later he calls me a liar. Town players here's a multiple choice question: 1. Player X is making a clear attempt to steal the pardoner role. He is lying about the intentions of his mayoral campaign and trying to stop a popular town candidate from getting mayor. What conclusion can you come to: A. This player is scum B. This player is third party C. This player is town D. Null Anyone who doesn't pick A or B is lying to themselves. Geript not once since his case on WoS mentioned who he would want lynched. Prom was already full steam ahead. He says this: They want Prom out, fine Never again pushes WoS. He is not at all concerned about who is lynched Day 1, but very concerned with making sure people are suspicious of me. Irrelevant, scum have GF (i assume), roleblocker, medic, etc. On February 28 2013 16:26 geript wrote: So VE, why were you so interested in becoming pardoner? Also, if you didn't care about who stole the town cred then why did you so voraciously attack almost everyone else (Wade Fells seemingly excluded) for bringing up cases or points they made on the subject? Why not just admit that you're scum and make it easy? Sorry Mocsta but I don't care about Dr.H much right now. I also don't understand why'd you have me change the subject off of VE when he's a lying so much. Again with the pardoner conspiracies, not attempting to push scumreads. I thought this guy was gonna filter dive all game? On February 28 2013 16:40 geript wrote: You went on the offensive to prevent anyone else from getting credit. You've lied multiple times about whether or not you wanted to lynch Prome. You've lied multiple times about whether you're running for mayor. You've intentionally tried to grab at pardoner which is a pro-scum role. You've lied about not trying to take credit for the mayor lynch. There's nothing that can be trusted about you. You're scum. VE dies that night as town. On February 28 2013 17:48 geript wrote: Everyone just stop whatever they're doing and read VE's filter now. His last post makes absolutely no sense. It's also incompatible with VE's personality. He's Type A; he's a honey badger. He don't give a fuck. Why, if he's so confident in his reads, would he not pull shennannies? Why does he try to step down? VE, you best be glad I don't have a gun, because you'd be dead. Irrelevant, as mafia I would not ever avoid attacking a town player I accused of being scum. Dr.H I have you on null plus now after rereading your posts. A liar, ok, but that in and of itself isn't damning and not enough to get you lynched. While I'm not fond of lying in this game in general, I can at least admit to it's usefulness at points. You're keep your own council as is evident by your posts. A liar who tried to steal pardoner isn't enough for a lynch? Huh? How could that lie possibly be useful? So far in this game GERIPT HAS DONE NOTHING except for discredit and argue with TOWN players. VayeshMoru, VisceraEyes and Me. This is all he has done. He goes for VE (who was dying that night), smart. Why go for DrH and give him 48 hours to fight back? I think Geript is scum. Someone give me a comprehensive case on Chezinu, I can see how his play is useless but I'm still second guessing myself from setup shit and it's really hard for me to take a clear look at his posting and I'm also unfamiliar with his metagame. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
forget the fact that i supposedly intentionally lied about my campaign intentions and tried to steal pardoner for nefarious reasons - excusable asking if a second person claimed nightvig based on a post I misread? obvious scum - it's "like he read it in scum qt" powerful shit | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
I'm gonna be mad if Hassy appears at the last second to avoid modkill, and it would be stupid of us to vote for him incase he does get modkilled. ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 02 2013 11:53 geript wrote: D&Ding. Quite frankly, I don't think there'd just be a Scum day vig. I think Dr. H scum slipped. If that's true, then Chez is town. On March 01 2013 11:51 geript wrote: Not going to lie, I like this Chez dude already. You're a winner in my book. <3 On March 01 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Chez I would've hearted you more if you had shot the suckling. On March 01 2013 12:33 geript wrote: Chez, can I have your babies? On March 01 2013 14:27 geript wrote: If Chez is scum, why shoot the milkman then? On March 02 2013 06:35 geript wrote: This looks like a scum slip to me. Like someone in scum QT wrote there are 2 vigs (referring to Chez/Vivax) and he came over here with the assumption of 2 night vigs. I had the feeling before that WoS was scripting things. After thinking about Chez more, I buy him as town day big. I think he's right on with his list. VE is talking about you acting scripted, not WoS So Geript only voted for Chez because Chez didn't defend himself against accusation then went back to thinking Chez is town because somehow I can't be teammates with Chez even though it was originally my idea that Chez is more likely town dayvig than night dayvig | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
no resistance to the lynch either hm | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I post a big ass case on Geript, a ton of time passes, I ask why the thread is so quiet and 4 people come up "im here and voting chez" no resistance to the lynch either hm no resistance to the lynch cause i battered it into people over the course of the past 28 hours! There was tons of resistance before then. In fact, until my hissyfit about 16 hours ago nobody even responded to the case also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
trapped lighke a rat | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: no resistance to the lynch cause i battered it into people over the course of the past 28 hours! There was tons of resistance before then. In fact, until my hissyfit about 16 hours ago nobody even responded to the case also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy Yeah, that's fair enough. There was no strong resistance to Prom either and why resist strongly when basically the entire thread has voted Chez in. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
why would town attack their own defender, to intentionally cause confusion? Chezinu is hard to understand but what I'm getting is he thinks I am scum if I don't pardon him? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Lol damn it DrH your presence is so ridiculous everyone is gonna think I'm sheeping you on it D3. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
ths is false we lych chez | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Vote count? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:43 Wade Fell wrote: also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy Are you dumb? You think I'm Chez's scumbuddy aye? Then why aren't you voting for me instead? You're a good enough player to actively think. If Chez had a second shot (as scum), then he likely would've taken if it were available. As there is nothing in the rules that I see against firing twice in one day (you can correct me if I'm wrong), then I think he would've taken it as scum. If you think that we're scum buddies, then you SHOULD be voting for me. I thought you were a good plaery BH? If Chez is scum and out of bullets, then you should be removing my scum role from the game. This is pretty shady either way. I'm suspicious of almost everyone at this point and quite frankly I don't give a fuck about this game anymore; all this game is is a vet circle jerk anyways. I still think the Doc's not town; I dropped the Doc case because I thought I had a much stronger case on VE. I was wrong. Who cares; I don't. I was happy when I got 1 case right in the last game. I still think WoS is scum. I still think VE was talking about talking about WoS. The tend to push what's my strongest read at the time. You don't like it, deal with it. Since the only way I see to push my reads at this point is prove their reads wrong, then PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!!!!! Note: If you think that Chez is scum and I'm not, then you need to vote for Chez. But if you think that we're both scum, then VOTE FOR ME! | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I guess you're new here so i'll explain a basic rule that always must be followed: do not make associative tells between unflipped players. So, let's say for example I suspect you of being Chez' scumbuddy. Well, however sure I am of chez being scum (and I am highly sure) it is unreasonable for me to say "Geript is scum because Chez is scum" unless Chez has already flipped. If today was a double-lynch day, or if there's another day vigi, you're an acceptable second lynch. But Step 1 is to confirm your premise, THEN you catch the scumbuddy. hope that helped! | ||
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