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VisceraEyes
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DoctorHelvetica
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Like there's no response to that...whatever, do what you can. I'm waiting. | ||
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Vivax
22099 Posts
Puppy begs you to stop being a meanie. Geript, your case revolves around VE wanting the pardoner role. Tell me, do you think a pardoner would ever survive the next day if he ever decided to stop a lynch on someone? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 01 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote: ........... Like there's no response to that...whatever, do what you can. I'm waiting. It'll be a while, I have a lot of errands to run. I've said over and over that I'm not able to have the ideal activity level in this game so I'd appreciate not being unfairly criticized for reading everything that everyone would like me to read. I'll contribute as best as I can, when I'm able. That's just the best I can do. Sorry for being malicious. I'm going to read as much as I can on Toadesstern, ObviousOne and maybe some others tonight, assuming I can make it home before the deadline hopefully I don't die tonight. I think we should keep talking about Toadesstern though, everyone seems to agree it's troubling the way he handled the lynch results. I'm inclined to believe at this point that WoS is town because of his focus on conspiracy theories and that geript may be town because of the extremely convoluted way he is approaching scumhunting. I have a big problem with the way Vivax is playing but finding it hard to find scum motivations in there, the way he structured his large post was based on some big misconceptions (about what constitutes scum play and about what is useful to town) but I'm not convinced it's scummy. I will have to look at Vivax again because the 10 minutes I spent last night while drunk wasn't sufficient. Vivax - what do you think about Toadesstern? Do you think mafia had a plan for Day 1, where do you rest on that? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On February 26 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote: Yes. I'm thinking about combining the lynch with getting rid of the pardoner by making the most likely lynch come in 2nd on purpose. On February 26 2013 09:40 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I guess. I thought about it pregame a bit and came to the conclusion that it's too hard to pull off and at the same time is restricting us timewise because we'd have to set on a lynch way ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what's going on, which basicly makes the day a 24h day instead of a 48h day. Wanted to see people's thoughts though and I don't exactly like your response to it unlike other ones. Wait a second. You think about it. You conclude it's too hard to pull off. You still bring it up? | ||
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Vivax
22099 Posts
What I fail to understand is how Toad disliked to opt for the mayor role in that case, I am used to Toad having a high opinion of himself and given how he's been spitting on VE multiple times I would have expected him to try and get elected there instead of him, so I don't see his motivation to steer clear of that role, that might mean he's trying to avoid the spotlight or responsible positions. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 01 2013 06:39 Vivax wrote: Well, I feel like Toad did indeed contribute much in getting Prom lynched, I don't think he'd be the guy to bring so much attention to a scumbuddy that early. What I fail to understand is how Toad disliked to opt for the mayor role in that case, I am used to Toad having a high opinion of himself and given how he's been spitting on VE multiple times I would have expected him to try and get elected there instead of him, so I don't see his motivation to steer clear of that role, that might mean he's trying to avoid the spotlight or responsible positions. BANG | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 01 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Being wrong means I can be wrong. Is there a real point here? Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity. Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening. Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE. I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town. | ||
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Vivax
22099 Posts
What's the point of VE trying to get a role that despite sounding beneficial for scum is also suicidal when used when he could have opted to become a mayor, lynch someone else than prom and let town waste a day while having one extra KP during the night? | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: The case against VE: 1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here. I was like literally the only person in this damn town who was both in the running for mayor and wanted to be mayor. Also Lynch All Liars? What is this, amateur hour? On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: 2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post: Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner. That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner. The plan to make Prom pardoner was shit-bad because of the risks it took. VE and I have our disagreements but on this at least he was chilltacular. On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP. Come and get me, then. On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: 4. He's playing scared. I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points: A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch) His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later. So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding. Day vigs wait to do your job until morning. Yeah This is a somewhat more reasonable statement but you're reaching here bro doosk Look geript I haven't finished catching up in the thread, but this reads a lot more like "I want to lynch VE and I will manufacture evidence/case to support it if I can't find one" than "I have found evidence/case pointing towards VE" In any case, I personally 1) shot down the bad prom pardoner plan like the badness it was and 2) made sure VE became mayor. Does this make me scum in your eyes? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
1) VE was trying to get Pardoner, since he is scum. his friends helped him with this. 2) anyone trying to stop the Prom as Pardoner Plan is scum 3) BH prevented 1, but shot down the PPP So what does he think of me | ||
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Wade Fell
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 01 2013 06:54 Wade Fell wrote: I guess describing anything in Geript's mind as "clear" is a bit of an over-reach hueheuheuheuheuheuheuehuehuehue I mean he's clearly not stupid - I just think he's either scum pushing an agenda or town who is reading with his perception of my intentions AS A BASELINE for analyzing my behavior. He's not even entertaining the notion that I could be telling the truth. | ||
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geript
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VisceraEyes
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geript
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Vivax
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Been doing my best to stay updated. I'm noticing that geript, you're harping on DrH and VE and their possible motivations for wanting (or not wanting) to be elected into their respective roles. I'd like to point out that Wade Fell was trying INCREDIBLY hard at the end of D1 to get his name into that pool for one of the spots. Generally, keeping elections so close is an anti-town thing to do as it gives scum the leverage they need to get who they want into the right spot. Why are you not also pressuring Wade Fell along with VE and DrH, as he was also apparently motivated for the positions. | ||
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