EPTOn March 01 2013 08:16 geript wrote:
So Moc. Where's your cases?
So Moc. Where's your cases?
Its night... why would i make a case.. im not scum
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
Its night... why would i make a case.. im not scum | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
in particular... shit cases | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
Or to borrow from when you play town On February 12 2013 01:11 geript wrote: 3. He has diarrhea of the keyboard Where 3 = you | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it. I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely. Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia. Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid. Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true. That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. | ||
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geript
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:35 geript wrote: It's ok Moc. One of these days I'll be Vig and shoot you because I can. Gotta roll town first, dear :p | ||
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geript
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geript
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:07 Toadesstern wrote: that's a lie, as already mentioned and shown. Not sure if I gave links but I'm pretty sure Vivax accused me of this bullshit already somewhere down the road and I called bullshit on him. Must of misremember then. I would swear you have talked about bussing or calling out your teammates and that it's something you have done before. Not saying you did it this game though. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote: Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez. There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it. I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely. Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia. Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid. Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true. That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. You seem to be very concerned about getting vigged. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:39 geript wrote: My history of playing mafia is like 12-1 VT to mafia And... so what so your history is 12-1.. means fuck all for whether you are town this game You talked up ya game big time in NMM37, not seeing deliveries on any of the promises so far... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:40 layabout wrote: Must of misremember then. I would swear you have talked about bussing or calling out your teammates and that it's something you have done before. Not saying you did it this game though. the point was that I was actually really late on yamato and only ended up being 3rd on his vote because 4 or 5 people who voted him before me unvoted him after I voted him so I went from 7th vote on yamato to 3rd in fruity. Also I did that on purpose because marv was in the game and I posted in the newbie game I coached to never bus your teammates d1 unless you know that they can take it. So I was telling yamato what to post and how to deal with it to make sure it's not happening but it still was happening... Btw posted the above so early because I'm playing dota and want to make sure I don't end up being too late: p | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:41 The Milkman wrote: You seem to be very concerned about getting vigged. More he's only thinking in terms of town-aligned actions targeting him rather than being scared to be killed by scum. I suspect he'll say that "well obv scum aren't gonna shoot me look at all this suspicion on me!" which he's not completely inaccurate, but the problem there is that there's hardly ANY suspicion on him. He's discrediting my suspicion as "pretty sure he's being stupid", so if that's the case why is he so concerned about suspicion being on him? Not to mention the fact that he says "VE being stupid right now" and "I ignored everything VE said" in the same post...how would he know 1) if 2) is true? Obviously "VE always stupid" is a valid answer, but it would be pretty fucking petty considering I lynched scum WITH him on D1. Toad a mystery even unto himself I imagine. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
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VayeshMoru
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On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote: Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez. There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it. I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely. Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia. Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid. Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true. That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Not sure whether I'm in more danger from scum or an overzealous vig :/ Likely scum Hassybaby + Show Spoiler + Just getting this out of the way first - he's lurked hard to date. His contributions are - Made a pitch for pardoner. Nobody really paid any attention to it at all. - Asks whether OO thinks Prom or Vivax is a good lynch - Defends himself against Vivax for the above, rages at Vivax then leaves. He says he's busy - fine, I understand that. Look at this though. On February 27 2013 07:21 Hassybaby wrote: A thank you to the guy who reminded me that the game actually started 40 mins after I said I was in. You know who you are and you're awesome and hot (I thought it was starting tonight.) I'm just going to go along and comment as I go down the thread, but have a window open for the most recent stuff, so I can answer/comment on anything immediate as well. First of, layabout, I've never been so turned on before. That picture is the hottest thing I've seen since Wiggles accidentally turned his camera on during a dota-session Skype call. While we're on the voting mayor malarky, I'd like to throw my hat in...for the pardoner. My platform: I won't use it. Like Holy Roman, but without the archbishop crap. I want the case to be that I get pardoner, I'm all "cool" then we move on because it should be only a talking point if I use it, which I have no intention to. And you're all welcome to shoot me if I go back on that. As fort he major spot, as of page 29, I'm leaning towards VE as mayor. History dictates that VE and Toad are bitches to read for me (I gave up on my brain and went with gut feeling in the last 2 attempts,) and having them in spots of power gives more for me to work with. Toad doesn't want it, so VE it is. My gut agrees for now. ##Vote: VE Moar readingz! This is his platform for being pardoner. Basically his platform is that he won't use it... which is completely obvious and pretty much assumed of the pardoner. As for "you're all welcome to shoot me if I go back on that", scum would only use the power at LYLO anyway... but I digress. Read this post. Hassybaby thought seriously about this post. This was a serious attempt to become the pardoner. In that case, why do we never hear about this again? Hassybaby doesn't mention the role ever again. And it's not like anyone told him not to try either - in that case it would have been understandable. The only reason I can think of for someone to make a bid for office and then never mention it again is that he's scum and didn't want to make too much noise about it. The fact that he's specifically running for pardoner and has no interest in mayor is suggestive as well. + Show Spoiler + Now that I think about it, doesn't a scum mayor have a similar effect on LYLO to a scum pardoner? The difference being I suppose that mayor is likely to be under more scrutiny. tl;dr There is no tl;dr this case is already rivalling Hassybaby's filter in length TestSubject893 + Show Spoiler + In his first stint of playing TestSubject discussed exactly one thing: Pardoner policy. Didn't pay any attention to my opinion on OO or indeed anything else in the thread involving scumhunting. When he comes back we have this: On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote: I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got. Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list. I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second. I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have. With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Promethelax is still his top scum read? Don't think he mentioned this before, but whatever. I'm not sure what to make of his reservations on DocH either. Maybe town being properly cautious? Maybe scum not wanting DocH to be "confirmed" town? idk. The rest of his filter is mostly answering some questions from Layabout and then arranging the election. tl;dr I see no evidence of him thinking at all about finding scum and nothing which makes me think he's town. Other Plausible Scum Chaos Bear + Show Spoiler + this space intentionally left blank Toad + Show Spoiler + My problem with Toad is the sheer amount of nothing he did for most of day 1. Sure he caught (or helped to catch) Prom. But after that he mostly just sat on his ass and congratulated himself. Particularly he didn't put any effort into trying to learn anything else from day 1. His play just feels sloppy to me after he caught Prom, but it would be sloppy town or sloppy scum. Not a huge suspect but I'm uneasy. Prom knew he'd have to leave late D1, a bus from Toad is at least plausible. Geript + Show Spoiler + I'm torn on this one. Reading through his filter I see towny things:
... and scummy things:
No idea what to make of his discussion with VE yet since it's going on as I write this, seeing as it's now more than a third of his filter I may have to adjust this read. His general suspicion of more prominent players is suggestive of paranoid town... or scum trying to look like paranoid town (see: Axle in LIX). JungleJorge + Show Spoiler + The only meaningful thing he did day 1 was his fake-defence of Prom. I don't know what to make of his reads in night one... I don't see how Restraining Order was "mudslinging" at all. No idea how he has a town lean on TestSubject. His case on me is... well, I can believe that he believes it, but if he does he's suffering from tunneling a single aspect of my filter. Which is hardly uncommon. Then again, it would also be consistent with a cherrypicking scum. There's a lot I don't understand the motivation for in a comparatively short filter and I don't like that. I have no particularly good reason to think he's scum, but I'm dubious about his play in general. People who I haven't looked at at all + Show Spoiler + long thread is long jcarlsoniv The Macho Man layabout Some other people I want more from Restraining Order and Randombum. No idea what to make of Grush and Chezinu. ObviousOne + Show Spoiler + Obvious' play was bloody useless for the first half of D1. I think he overreacted a lot to my pressure, and his N1 case on me was pretty terrible. However. If you read his case on me as a defence of himself (pointing out that everything he thinks I've accused him of is stuff I've kinda done) it makes sense. It might not be particularly good play, but Obvious has been tilted at me all game, and this case does reflect that. A lot of his play hasn't been all that good and he doesn't like me much but my gut's starting to tell me that OO is town. I don't like it much but there you are. I've read Grush and I have no idea what his alignment is. I haven't read Chezinu and I doubt doing so will help. My intended lynch is Hassybaby. That might change if he actually plays. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
I am going to keep this short and sweet Below are very short notes on each player.. (Leave = Leave Alone; Yes = Put some time in) Feel free to interpret Yes as scum or null + Show Spoiler [Short Reads N1] + Toadesstern: Leave The early bus would only make sense if he ran for mayor. I think ppl are judging him on epeen ego bashing (due to wanting first rights cred) too much. Grush57: Yes Already outlined in my filter why I dont like prome "mod confirming" him. Vivax: Leave Alone Im liking him more and more. Did a good pick up on Toad regarding mayor run. He lasted LXIII as scum with no one suspecting him (even in obs); so will scrutinise him more and more as end game approaches The Milkman: Leave Alone Glurio: Leave Alone I made a soft meta read on him in my filter. I stand by that TestSubject893: Leave Alone His Day1 posts are limited but I liked them.. the low activity is worrying; I would like him to step it up Day2 jcarlsoniv: Yes The Macho Man: Yes I know I said null earlier, and still think that NOW... but.. Day2 this guy HAS to step up, pls pressure him; playing two games at once, we have a decent chance to make him slip if scum Chaos Bear: N/A randombum: Leave Alone I gave reasons before (weak as though).. doesnt seem to be on anyone radar; I would prob start prioritizing his filter after Night 2, for now, content to leave him be WaveofShadow: Leave Alone I have one outstanding question i need him to address (wrote it in italics) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=103#2054 VayestMoru: Leave Alone When this guy was around Day1, I shared the same reads as him... want to see more from him of course; but is just not on my active to do list for Day2 VE: Leave Alone His VCA post had some really good insight. Seriously.. i had to re-write my response 2 or 3 times, because I was starting to unravel the implications he made... i really doubt scum would be putting that type of effort to figure out the game (as the contribution was not required at that point in time) MilkSucker: Leave Alone Town, cept all that suckled milk is starting to explode from 110 pages of thread Wade Fell: Leave Alone I would love him to contribute more; he didnt have to sacrifice his campaign in the last 30min.. he actually still had a chance. Not sure if scum would do that, I think his epeen came out enough to not suggest scum play if he did stick it the race ObviousOne: Yes Too much contrast in play from his last game... as an outted Sk, he was trying to help town more than in this game... I know the playing list is larger; but his willingness to post, implies he could contribute *IF* he wanted to Geript: Yes Complete different thought process from his last game (NMM37).. there he prided himself on critical thinking, sorting through the bullshit, and standing up and telling it how it is. What I have seen this game is a guy trying to find others mistakes and just hounding them relentlessly even though the question has been answered (reminds me of Djodref scum play lol)... His tunneling is not really developing reads either because hes so confrontational about it. If I had the means, i would take him out tonight. DoctorHelvetica: Leave Alone If this guy survives night 1... I would pay very careful attention to who he is scum hunting Day 1 JungleJorge: Yes Im still not buying the prome interactions/defense... I have to double check filter but I believe in Day1 he said it was a trap. and night 1 he said it was a genuine defense... Hassybaby: Yes Already gave reasons in filter Restraining Order: Yes Has this guy done anything? One of my higher priority targets to follow up on Chezinu: Yes He was lurky as scum in Mafia LIX (but at least had two ppl mason him as an excuse)... i dont really see one this game.. I would seriously consider just shooting him, so I dont have to be stuck with whether he is town or scum (even one of his posts suggests a game where town talk about that lol) layabout: Yes I cant remember his filter in detail, other than he nit picked at Wade Fell early game on something taken comlpetely out of context. Cant tell if self-centric townie pissed at being ignored or lurking scum. Will prob give him a decent once over if around. aquanim: Leave Alone ================== From the ppl with a yes; my priorities for Day2 would be: jcarlsoniv, ObviousOne, Geript, JungleJorge, Hassybaby; maybe Restraining Order | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
He suggested the Prom Pardoner thing, then DIDN'T DEFEND THE IDEA. He says that his light "Went out" (link) but the fact of the matter is, JJ's position on Prom as Pardoner is the _Same_ as Prom's position on RNG. Imagine, if you would, a town JJ who thinks making Prom the Pardoner and lynchign him is a good idea. Well, our JJ brought up the idea in the thread (link) AND THAT'S IT. He didn't actually push the idea, he didn't try to support it, he didn't do anything. Let's say JJ really thought this was a good idea-- why didn't he argue vehemently for it like other supporters did? Why didn't he say anything? Why was his "pressure" on Prom actually a defense? It seems obvious to me that this is just JJ walking back his Prom defense by guising it as an attack, and when the scumteam realized that Prom was going down, Prom decided to distance JJ and give him an excuse to attack Prom (link) through a pretty basic double-bus strategy. JJ's actions do NOT reflect someone aggressive at Prom who wants to make Prom the partner. They reflect someone who is scum with Prom and got Prom's help to back down. JJ is scum. If I die before I wake, him to the grave you must take | ||
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VayeshMoru
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However Jcarlsoniv Geript Junglejorge Layabout Hassy Chez likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party. Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party. Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. | ||
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