On March 02 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
My problem with that list post is that you mentioned all the people who werent town, except Zarepath even though he is your top scumread.

what is this? dunno what u mean

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 02 2013 04:55 GMT

#1702

Has his play improved since we put him up for lynch and asked him to show us he's town? No..... not at all. Other than the dieno flip, someone show me 1 townie thing about syl.

This is exactly why Syl is town.

Do you think as scum dueling with his scumbuddy he says, 'fuck it I dont care anymore'? Really?

Actually the only way Syl is scum is if they expected to get Dieno out.
So look for people who wanted syl dead.

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 04:55 GMT

#1703

On March 02 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok Cora, lets say you are the 3rd scum member.

What is the upside of this plan?
It doesnt make syl look better with the way he played, it doesnt make you better(possibly), and a scum would definetly get lynched. There is no upside.

If it doesn't make Syl look better, than he's scum.

Seriously Oats tell me you think he's town. Don't give me this "he's scum but he's town" crap.

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 04:56 GMT

#1704

This is literally what I've taken from Oats in the past 15 minutes:

"Syl is scum but he's not"
"Cora is town but he's not"

Make up your fucking mind.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 02 2013 04:56 GMT

#1705

Thrawn, its like I post a list post right?
And at the top
thrawn2112: scum
Hapahauli: I think he is null cause bla bla bla.
...
..

This is what you did. And it doesnt make sense to do that right?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 02 2013 04:58 GMT

#1706

His behavior is scummy.
I agree.

In light of way the duel played out, however, I think that Syl is town.

Also if you cant think of an upside to 2 of them dueling as scum, means that there isnt one. So scum wont just 'give up' the game.

Acrofales

Spain18216 Posts

March 02 2013 04:58 GMT

#1707

Oats, do you think Thrawn is scum?

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 04:59 GMT

#1708

Syl gives up as town what makes you think he wouldn't give up as scum?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 02 2013 05:00 GMT

#1709

oats what is this argument we're having even about? what're you getting at?

If there's something you want me to explain then just ask. you're just throwing shit at me whilst having a town read on me, doesn't make any sense.

new list:

scum:

zare hapa oats syl

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 02 2013 05:01 GMT

#1710

Acro: Not really and that means I should stop getting on his back right.
I need to look at normal mini IV though. His most recent scum game.

Cora, the reason he wouldnt give up as scum is because that means he LOSES the game. As town, he is one of many, and isnt the sole or even main reason town loses.

Cora you arent making sense now.
You didnt address my association at all and just keep harping that he is scummy and therefore he is scum.

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 05:03 GMT

#1711

On March 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro: Not really and that means I should stop getting on his back right.
I need to look at normal mini IV though. His most recent scum game.

Cora, the reason he wouldnt give up as scum is because that means he LOSES the game. As town, he is one of many, and isnt the sole or even main reason town loses.

Cora you arent making sense now.
You didnt address my association at all and just keep harping that he is scummy and therefore he is scum.

It beats harping that he is scummy and that makes him town...

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

March 02 2013 05:04 GMT

#1712

So difficult to ignore stupid play..

Anyone who isnt Acro/Cora/Thrawn want to chime in whether they think that Syl is still scum?

Acrofales

Spain18216 Posts

March 02 2013 05:06 GMT

#1713

On March 02 2013 13:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Syl gives up as town what makes you think he wouldn't give up as scum?

Answer me this: why, as scum, would you duel each other early on. That shit is a last resort. Scum don't willingly set out to murder each other. It is an assinine assumption.

If they had waited:

1. Triggerhappy Yamato might have dueled Acro
2. Yamato might have pressured Acro into dueling Dieno
3. Triggerhappy Adam might have gotten impatient and dueled either one of them.

All 3 of these scenarios give scum a way out, or at worst a 1-1 trade. I also thought the bus scenario made sense, but it really really doesn't.

Also, there is nothing in Syl's filter that screams scum. It's all just a lurky mess. I have played with plenty of town lurkers. You need external help to figure out whether lurkers are scum or town. In this case, the mechanics give us a fairly clear signal he's town. Stop tunneling him and give him a chance.

Dienosore

Brunei Darussalam622 Posts

March 02 2013 05:14 GMT

#1714

“All these moments will be lost in time. Like… tears in the rain. Time to die.” – EXPIRES GRACEFULLY

gg

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 02 2013 05:18 GMT

#1715

ok i propose a truce:

syl isn't allowed in the dueling ring unless we mislynch 2 townies without lynching scum

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 05:27 GMT

#1716

God I'm sick of you all being close-minded to a desperation attempt by scum. I sat there all of D1 and threw my Syl read on the back burner to allow Thrawn/Kei or Adam/kei. Then I suggest it again and you all say he is scum, yet don't vote for him. Now that we have lynched another scum, you decide that he is scummy but is town. That is a contradiction in itself. I don't like being messed with and I'm done not being taken seriously.

Here's what's going to happen: Unless Syl improves his play, he is going to be in the duel tomorrow, whether he's in it with someone else, or he's in it with me. Savvy?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 02 2013 05:39 GMT

#1717

On March 02 2013 14:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok i propose a truce:

syl isn't allowed in the dueling ring unless we mislynch 2 townies without lynching scum

Cor what's wrong with this plan? We're in a good enough position that we can delay lynching syl to clear up other stuff first.

Acrofales

Spain18216 Posts

March 02 2013 05:44 GMT

#1718

Cora: and was town wrong? Did we flail about mislynching townies because we didn't listen to your Syl read? No. We lynched two scum.

Even if Syl IS scum, you need to find at least one other one. There's no way a 15-player game as only 3 scum.

I agree with thrawn: until we start flailing around mislynching townies, there is no reason to lynch Syl.

Let other people weigh in on it. So far your town coach and the host of last game, which you LOST because you mistakenly saw Syl as scum, have both said to wait it out. Unless you think we're a 5man scumteam having you on, that is at least 1 townie between us. I'm fairly certain Adam, one of the driving forces behind both lynches so far, will be onboard with this. Why s

Acrofales

Spain18216 Posts

March 02 2013 05:44 GMT

#1719

EBWOP: Why so hasty?

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

March 02 2013 05:44 GMT

#1720

On March 02 2013 14:39 thrawn2112 wrote:

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Cor what's wrong with this plan? We're in a good enough position that we can delay lynching syl to clear up other stuff first.

No. We should not have delayed lynching Syl. Now you guys are sitting here and saying Syl is scummy but you're not going to lynch him. It's stupid.

I told you that not double lynching was going to give us more questions than answers. We're going to solve this question now because you all refused to solve it before.

I'm tired of having my voice drowned out by the veterans and not being taken seriously. You all should not have dangled a Syl lynch in front of me and then taken it away.

This duel will give us a lot more clarity and set you all up (cause I don't expect to live if I duel him) to have an easier time finding scum than saying "What if the last scum is Syl" everytime you make a read...