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On February 26 2013 12:19 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:54 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 26 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
why Cora? So they can choose lynchbait and get themselves off that way?
If they do that we will all know they chose lynchbait and it will make them look even scummier. If you want to ask your top two scumreads to duel, go ahead. Remember that they have to pull the trigger and if they don't, we can't lynch them. That's the dilemma provided to us by the set-up. It's all just set-up speculation. None of us know how this process is going to go. I feel like there is no fair way to go about this whole "dueling" thing, but forcing one person to duel and letting them choose the other seems like the fairest way to go about things. Of course if you don't want to do it fairly you need to convince the town on two scum reads, which seems a lot harder than what I proposed. Do you have any alternatives? I agree with Oats on this one. it doesn't make them look scummier because it's impossible for us to say whether they thought the other person was lynchbait, or just mafia.
It depends on who the other person chooses to duel with. It's going to be obvious (at this stage) whether they are choosing lynchbait or not.
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On February 26 2013 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait so Acro, you are saying that when the thread agrees on 2 duel candidates, they are not forced to duel each other, yeah sure but how large a fucking scum claim is that?
The thing is that EITHER of the them could pull the trigger, so assuming that one is town, one is scum, its gonna happen, scum are forced to duel cause if they dont, they are claiming scum and even 1 for 1 trades arent that good.
Other thoughts?
There's no way that the whole thread is going to agree on 2 duel candidates, or even a majority of the thread will.
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On February 26 2013 12:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait so Acro, you are saying that when the thread agrees on 2 duel candidates, they are not forced to duel each other, yeah sure but how large a fucking scum claim is that?
The thing is that EITHER of the them could pull the trigger, so assuming that one is town, one is scum, its gonna happen, scum are forced to duel cause if they dont, they are claiming scum and even 1 for 1 trades arent that good.
Other thoughts? Did you miss the part at the bottom? He has to explain himself. Of course, if 90% of the thread has consolidated on two targets, going against that is going to take some serious explaining, isn't it?
If 90% of the thread has consolidated on 2 targets we all have a problem in general.
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Oats if you have a better idea than to pick two people, hope that everyone agrees with those two people, and hope those two people duel each other, I'd love to hear it.
Your plan hinges on a lot more variables than the one I proposed (and Acro backs up).
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On February 26 2013 12:43 Snarfs wrote:
Also, if thrawn doesn't show up before the next 'X' hours before deadline, what do we do? Just have someone like yamato duel him?
If we all agree dodging a duel is an automatic lynch all we need is one person to duel them and we just immediately kill who dodged the duel.
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On February 26 2013 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so your plan is that we pick the one, and that person picks another to duel?
It just screams manipulation to me, like you are giving scum a way out of getting lynched, assuming the one we pick is scum.
Currently I dont have another plan, but I just dont think this is a good idea.
Your plan screams "no-lynch" to me. At least we have a chance to kill off someone with my plan.
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On February 26 2013 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
My plan is that if no lynch is gonna happen, I will duel my top scumread.
Not good because generally my reads are not very good. Maybe this game its different? I dont know.
yes I just discredited myself.
But no lynch is definitely not happening.
The interesting thing is when we do get to that situation where no-lynch is imminent, I think we will start to see some agendas pushed forward. Then we can figure out if they are scum pushed or town pushed. Perhaps that upside of your idea might cover all of the downsides...
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I would just like to point out that Sylencia, Dieno, and Zare have been silent throughout this whole period. There's no way Sylencia is lurking for no reason anymore. The time for that is past.
Dieno also promised more activity in the past few hours but nothing has come out of that. We have 17.5 hours left still, time for things to change.
Idk where Zare is, but his silence is deafening as well.
However, we can't just sit here and give the lurkers a free pass anymore. One of them is lurking while we sit around and take each other out, that bit has to be true...
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EBWOP: One of them is lurking scum
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On February 26 2013 14:47 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
However, we can't just sit here and give the lurkers a free pass anymore. One of them is lurking while we sit around and take each other out, that bit has to be true... What do you propose that we do about it?
I propose that we all keep it in mind and that people other than me remind them about it. We should go for them the next cycle because it looks like you all have your hearts set on Thrawn and Kei. I don't think we should stray away from that, but I think we should begin to attack them right after we solve this little debate.
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Unfortunately another problem with this set-up is that you can't really pressure people. Sure you can say all you want but there's no way the throw your weight around without committing to something. So the question of what to do about it is also something to think about.
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On February 26 2013 11:32 cDgCorazon wrote:
I don't mean to change the topic but I'm looking through the last couple of pages and saw that everyone was considering having Thrawn duel. I looked back at his filter and through the arguments against him, and I see the merit in them.
I know I have been a hipster with a few of my scum reads (Syl, Oats), and I also know that if I want to get any of my reads pushed out to the forefront, part of that requires listening to others' reads as well.
I would support a Thrawn duel, but I also think that whoever we select to duel should be allowed to select their opponent in the duel. I think this would make it so we would prevent confirmation bias and allow for Thrawn's (or whoever we choose to duel) voice to still be heard even though he/they is/are on the chopping block. Does anyone else have a problem with that?
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On February 26 2013 15:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
Is that an answer to my question Cor? Your read is explained with "I looked back at his filter and through the arguments against him, and I see the merit in them." There's nothing in your filter about wanting to lynch kei. So for that, you are willing to put both thrawn/kei up for lynch?
I'm willing to put you up, and I've said that I'm also willing to let you choose your opponent. So yes, I'm okay with you two going up for a lynch.
I'd rather have Sylencia get up here and give us a read but no one is going to go for that.
So to answer your question, if you want to go up against Kei, go ahead. If the town wants you to do it, I'm ok as well.
I have suspicions about both of you but not as much as Syl so I would like to stick to my main read, however I realize that for the town to function someone is going to have to put their agendas away temporarily to come up with a decision, and for now that person is me.
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@Oats: I've already said that the reasons for suspecting Thrawn are legit. I'm not being egotistical (unlike some other people, not you), I'm in fact being the opposite.
Why did you call me out for being cooperative when I'm allowing Thrawn to choose his opponent (which I've championed) and not when I said I was ok with putting Thrawn up to duel? It's just another example of your inconsistent play. You exploit me when I make an error in favor of your enemies, and not when I make the same error in favor of you.
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Oats, if you want me to sit here and divert the conversation and talk about you and Sylencia every time I want to make a post, it won't help town either. I'm swallowing my pride for this day to help the town make a decision. Do you have a problem with that?
My reads on Thrawn are the fact that I agree with many of the things that have been said about him. His scumhunting has consisted of Kei (once a flame was lit under his ass) and a few other weak attacks on other players. His scumhunting has not been up to par, and that is why I'm ok with having him be the duelist. If I had a town read on Thrawn, I would not be saying these things. My read on him is slightly scummy, and I want to see him fight for his life in the duel.
I've also said that I would like the person being asked to duel given the chance to choose their opponent. We've already talked about all of the other possibilities and this one sounds the best to me still. Thrawn wants to choose Kei (his reasoning is also quite valid, yet words said when accused always lose a bit of power), and I'm ok with his choise of Kei.
I would like to see Syl in a duel, but I've said before that I'm not a fan of heroes, and I'm not 100% sure Sylencia is scum. However he is my strongest scum read and I would like to see his actions once a flame has been put under his ass.
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EBWOP: By "not a fan of heroes", I mean I don't want to go rogue and duel him.
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@Thrawn because no one else wants to go with me on Syl or Oats.
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On February 26 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what are you doing that is helping town now Cora?
If we decide on the duel candidates now, when most of the people arnt even in the thread, how does that help town?
Not being a prick and refusing to go along with anyone else's plans but mine. Do you really want me to sit here and disagree with you just because it wasn't my idea?
I don't need the town to accept my ideas all the time. If I want anyone to listen to my ideas in the future, I need to listen to others' ideas now. I'm setting myself up to have my agenda go forward at the right time. I checked to see if now was the right time with my little push on Sylencia, but it was not agreed upon by anyone else, letting me know that this was not the right time.
I'm setting myself up to be taken seriously in the future and to not be thought of as a nuisance and an egocentric person. Is there a problem with that?
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I just want to let you all know that I probably will not be available for the next twelve hours, so I'm going to throw my vote out now. If things come out and the other person is more scummy, then I will be the only vote on my person.
##Vote: Adam
Why am I voting for Adam?
The first thing is that I did not like heroes, Adam is trying to take matters into his own hands and is basically defying the wishes of the town to come to a good and informed decision. He's taking matters into his own hands and is basically making a rash and hasty decision for the rest of the town.
The second thing is that Adam has been doing all of this proclaiming that being aggressive is pro-town (Yamato never said anything of the sort).
In my opinion, he is trying to gain town cred by doing something that he said was pro-town (trying to give himself town cred, as Acro pointed out) and is attacking lynchbait in Kei. If we lynch Kei and he flips town, Adam is just going to say he played like a weak town and that he had us all fooled.
I'm not convinced enough on Kei to see him die now. I was only ok with him dueling if it was because Thrawn picked him. I see a lot more scum motivation behind Adam's rashness. The fact that the votes already given out so far are all around the board mean that the chances of a scum being here is pretty high. I hate heroes anyways.
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Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all.
You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive.
Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable.
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