This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 2

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 07:14 GMT

#669

On February 26 2013 16:05 yamato77 wrote:
"Not seeing town motivation" is not the same as "seeing scum motivation". A point I learned well lately. You'll have to do better than that to justify a red read on Adam, Keir.

I very specifically pointed out the scum motivation.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 07:37 GMT

#673

On February 26 2013 16:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
keir there's a strong chance that we might be dueling.... how do you feel about that? i think we should hold hands and tell each other why we want to shoot each other

I say that you are not scumhunting. Your desire to duel me is based on a meta read. Is there anything else? Does the meta read still apply? You have been carrying on about this point against adam and as I've already said, I don't think much can be gained from discussing it any further. Overall your suspicions are weak. Can you give me a good explanation of why you are willing to duel me? If it wasn't you dueling me, who else would you want to be a duelist?

I already said I would be fine dueling you. I still think you are scum.

Why is a meta read not good enough? I make solely meta-based reads quite often with players that I am at least semi-familiar with, and I think I've read or played in almost all of your games.

On February 26 2013 16:23 yamato77 wrote:
To look townie later in the game?

I don't see it. Just because he won't have to back it up doesn't mean it doesn't have town motivations.

And as I asked earlier, if this is your argument, why dies it apply to him and not me ?

Not necessarily to look townie later, but that he gets to use the argument "Look guys, Im town because I did something abnormal!"

The difference between you and him is that you aren't in here making that argument for yourself to buy town cred. Other people have made it for you.

If someone else had said "I think Adam is probably town because he was willing to propose his own unique idea rather than just blending into the town sentiment" I would have probably agreed with them. But for Adam himself to say it triggers my paranoia reflex.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 07:46 GMT

#676

On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:

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I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum.

Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

##Duel: Keirathi

Congrats on your e-peen wagging contest. I was trying to explain my original paranoia and figure you out, but you jump the gun instead of giving people time to discuss it.

Anyways I'm going to bed for reals now. G'nite.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 18:27 GMT

#802

Hey, I'm here on my lunch break. I have like an hour or so before i have to leave, so if someone wants to ask me something while I'm catching up, feel free.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 18:48 GMT

#815

On February 27 2013 03:31 zarepath wrote:
Who are you top scum reads? If you had to make a will before dying, what would you say?

My reads haven't changed. I still think thrawn is likely scum because of his jumping around following thread sentiments, and I still see possible scum motivation in the Adam thing that I was trying to talk about.

I'll write up some more later this evening when I get home, but I don't think an hour is enough time right now.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 18:58 GMT

#818

On February 27 2013 03:41 Acrofales wrote:
@Keir: same question as for thrawn. At the time you seemed slightly upset about being dueled by Adam. Did you think it was more likely for Adam or Thrawn to be scum? They seemed to be your only reads at the time.

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On February 26 2013 16:46 Keirathi wrote:

On February 26 2013 16:25 Adam4167 wrote:

On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:

On February 26 2013 15:16 thrawn2112 wrote:

On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do.

keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum?

Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it.

On February 26 2013 15:20 Adam4167 wrote:
This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.

Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.

Bad case.

You're brushing away my point with trivialities. I don't really give a shit what your actual stance on who should duel is, if you can provide good reasoning and show why its good for town.

What does concern me is that I can't see any actual point to your stance. How is it beneficial to town?

You see, the problem is, you may never even have to back your stance up in this game. What if every day we have a town collective agreement on who should duel? Or someone goes balls deep and duels on their own? Or someone refuses to duel, and we have a Likely Townie step in the duel the person who refuses? Etc, etc.

When it gets to day 6 or something, and you've never had to actually back up your opinion on how you would handle the dueling, you can still say "But look guys, I'm town because I had a unique idea day 1 even though it didn't actually mean anything and I never had to put it into practice!" Do you not see how that could be beneficial for scum?

I don't even know what the hell you're arguing anymore. Whatever it is, it isn't making me scum.

Mess with the bull, you get the horns.

##Duel: Keirathi

This post is rather vague. Did you feel he was scummy for dueling you? Or did you feel it was a douche town move?

I thought it was just a stupid move. Arbitrarily, I think it was scummy because he cut off all discussion about other candidates, and felt like just straight OMGUS because I was trying to get some discussion out of something I viewed as scum motivated.

Then he had the gall to say that he dueled because I was trying to back out of a half-assed scum read?

For one, where was I actually trying to back out of it? I was trying to get someone to spit-ball with me and talk it through.

And for two, what happened to his scum read of Corazon earlier on night 0? Oh right, he backed out of it because of further discussion. Hell he even went so far as to say that he wasn't a "tunnel machine" and that he pulls out of tunnels all th e time. But if I try to get some discussion about something that I view as scummy to see if I'm just being paranoid, he gets all holy roller and pulls the trigger on the duel.

The situation reminds me a lot of GSL 3 (i think?). I saw something that I genuinely viewed as scummy and brought it to the thread. I took a lot of flak for it, but the difference is people were willing to discuss it with me while they were calling me scum. And as I talked it out more, and got some other perspective views, I changed my read.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 19:11 GMT

#825

On February 27 2013 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:

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On February 27 2013 03:52 Acrofales wrote:

On February 27 2013 03:50 Hapahauli wrote:

On February 27 2013 03:47 Acrofales wrote:

On February 27 2013 03:43 Hapahauli wrote:

On February 27 2013 02:51 Acrofales wrote:

On February 27 2013 02:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh damnit sniped by Oats.

On February 27 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:

On February 27 2013 02:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Thing is, Kei has done nothing to show me that he's town, and having played a couple of games with Adam, I find it really doubtful that he'd pull something like this as scum.

Wait what? How many games have you played with Kei?

You are calling Keirathi scummy for not playing to his town meta or his scum meta, but Adam is not scum because he isnt playing to his scum meta, or his town meta as Acro showed.

How did you get this reasoning?

I've played a couple of games with Kei, and heavily obs'd some more games that he was in.

And you're completely twisting my argument. Yes Kei is playing differently than I've seen him play as both alignments in the past. However, I'm voting Kei right now because Adam's actions make very little sense from a scum-Adam perspective (given meta, demeanor, bravery, etc), and Kei has given me no reason to think he's town.

If you take Adam's meta, demeanor and bravery into account, how can you ignore his town meta? He has never done anything remotely like pulling a stunt like this. Not in CT, not in WLIIA and not in LIX. The other games I recall from him are Hero where he was scum and a couple of games where he was modkilled for inactivity.

Please explain how meticulous Adam, who writes cautious cases deliberating different angles, suddenly throws caution to the wind and says "FUCK YOU, I'M PALMAR BITCHES". What part of Adam's town meta am I missing?

But that's the thing - have you ever seen ANYTHING like this from scum Adam? No. It's at odds with his town mentality yes. However, it's even MORE at odds with his scum mentality.

Why is Keir being a lurker, something Keir clearly knows is a stupid scumtell, still a scumtell?

It is clearly at odds with both of his metas and you seem to think scum is more careful to not stand out like a sore thumb.

Thing is, I don't think Kei is intentionally lurking or anything. A lot of his posts have suggested he's busy with work/whatever. His lurking doesn't seem intentional, thus the situation is very different from Adam's intentional DERP duel.

So if Keir isn't intentionally lurking what do you find suspicious about his behaviour?

Firstly, a major reason I'm voting Kei is because I'm pretty sure Adam is town.

As for Kei himself, he hasn't given me any reason to think he's town at all. That and I didn't like his early interactions with Adam. His initial case made no sense to me, and Kei's constantly qualifying that he's not committing to his suspicions:

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Maybe my original post wasn't full fleshed out, but it made sense as I talked it out more, no? How does that make me scum? My point didn't change, I just explained it better.

And so what, I was being non-committal towards the read. I demonstrably do that as town on day 1. What makes me scum this time, but not the others?

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 26 2013 19:37 GMT

#831

Anyways, lunch over. I'll be back in a few hours.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

February 27 2013 22:14 GMT

#1187

GG, glhf gents.

Sorry about disappearing, RL just got in the way.

Keirathi

United States4679 Posts

March 06 2013 16:57 GMT

#2299

Oh game is over.

I just wanted to apologize to everyone for my (lack of) play. I just got super busy with a random job where i was working long ass days and not getting home until 7-8 pm and I was exhausted. It was so hard to try to catch up on 30-50 pages and try to come up with relevant thoughts

I definitely had some ideas that I wanted to push, but I just didn't have time/energy to do it.

GG everyone, sorry again.

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