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Oh well shit I did miss that post by Iamp on Snarfs. WELP.
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On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:Somewhat suspicious. Witness: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me. hey you ive been looking at you. you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff) you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper why you not putting anything original in the thread you scum dog? I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post. As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point: On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp he attacked me means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all. scum thrawn should no better than to attack me On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances?????????????? as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid. How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative? Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours. yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious.
Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it.
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On February 25 2013 11:51 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:46 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:41 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:40 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
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I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.
As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:
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did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances?????????????? as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid. How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative? Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours. yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? lol i have to explain why dino first post was scummy to you??? how about you go read it. Newbie player makes wishy-washy newbie post. Your turn. dino was so easy to read in chrono checkmate That's a complete misrepresentation of dino in that game and you know it. Dieno's claim to townhood was making a plan which was ridiculous and coming up with a crazy campaign for team leader. He also claimed in order to get included in the party. All-in-all, it was enough for a town read on a complete newbie. Dieno is no longer a complete newbie. Also, Dieno was mislynched in Parallel Universe for his wishy washy opening post and not delivering afterwards. If you're trying to say Dieno is scum for not living up to CT, you need to do better than that and read his other games as well. So far I have no clue about Dieno's alignment, but the meta you just plonked in here is completely wrong. not really everybody else needed that stuff i had him pegged as town after two posts. didnt read parallel
Missing the point. He was being an attention-whore in Chrono and posting wild pictures to be elected mayor (first few posts). That's a completely different situation from what we're in.
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On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa? Somewhat suspicious. Witness: On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato + Cora
Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me. hey you ive been looking at you. you haven't said a god damn thing yet (you can check your filter its all policy and useless stuff) you have just kind of been here with your pretty looking posts and your playing peace keeper why you not putting anything original in the thread you scum dog? I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post. As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point: On February 25 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
Snarfs is not scummier than thrawn after that abomination of a post. Dunno what you're smoking, iamp he attacked me means he is probably town since i hadn't mentioned him at all. scum thrawn should no better than to attack me On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances?????????????? as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid. How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative? Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours. yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now
False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno.
On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon.
Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222
The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope.
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On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa? Somewhat suspicious. Witness: On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:22 Hapahauli wrote:
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I can finally get to work since players not named Marv, Yamato, or Corazon are finally starting to post.
As for you, what the hell have you done that's useful? I see a lot of random name-dropping and not much of substance. You've championed "Yamato is Town, I will defend him 'till the end," yet everything else in your filter is completely unexplained and or nonsensical. Case in point:
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did you find dino and snarfs entry to be town entrances?????????????? as for the thrawn thing we have history bro and i dont think he is stupid. How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative? Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours. yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa
I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing.
Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon?
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On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa? Somewhat suspicious. Witness: On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:34 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:
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How the fuck are those first-posts allignment indicative?
Thrawn read still makes zero sense given that he gave you a scumread when you'd made like 2 inconsequential posts in several hours.
yo bro you can question my logic all you want. im just telling you what i think i caught thrawn in our last game together. he attacked me after lurking i dont think as scum he would be stupid enough to go after me again. but if this is all your going to be doing hapa your scum in my eyes. Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now. Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so. Y u so scummy iamp? On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it.
Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps.
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@ Dieno
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As for changing your mind, I have a feeling that no matter what I say you are still going to be gunning for me. Yes, I think you pushing for a instant duel with your first post is super scummy, especially when we have more than enough time to deliberate and come to a general consensus as a group. I can't see any town motivation in what you are doing right now.
Which, ironically enough, means that we should duel. If I lose the vote and die, I'll flip green and you will have condemned yourself even further. If I win, then scumball down, victory for town.
Bring it on.
Wait what? You think Adam is scum just because he made a post on you? Bit of an overreaction there.
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Geezus why am I always 5 second late.
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On February 25 2013 12:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:18 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:49 marvellosity wrote:On February 25 2013 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, what do you think of Hapa? Somewhat suspicious. Witness: On February 25 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:
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Naw man. This game is coming way too easily to you right now.
Especially the bolded: not once have you explained why you think those posts (by Snarf and Dieno) are scummy. You just name-drop and move on. You're telling us plenty of what you think, but nothing about why you think so.
Y u so scummy iamp? On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:
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this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view
says he is excited he is town
then proceeds to do nothing
discuss. iamp hasn't posted so much that Hapa should be missing that iamp has in fact commented on why he thought Snarfs was suspicious. Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it. Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps. Iamp's last scumgame was GSL 3, about 4 months ago. Since then he's played quite a bit of town. Do you really think this one easy sentence is enough to proclaim him town?
That "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" mentality is town-iamp in a nutshell. Also, his activity is vastly-improved from when I started off on him. So it's a combination of the attitude that sentence purveys and his increased activity.
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On February 25 2013 12:24 yamato77 wrote:
No, it's just Hapa finding a reason to get off iamp once he figures out that the thread isn't following him.
Yes because Thrawn and Acro are totally not "the thread."
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@ Dieno
On February 25 2013 12:33 Dienosore wrote:
@marv: I've already mentioned that I trust you. If you sincerely believe that he isn't scum, then I will reconsider my hard stance. However, I would be a fool to not remain extremely suspicious until something happens that definitively clears up the situation.
@Hapa: He didn't just make a post about me. He called me out for a duel with his first post based on my first post. To me, this screams scum.
How so? Wanting to duel your top scumread is not scummy at all.
@ Acro
On February 25 2013 12:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:22 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 12:18 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:
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Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it. Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps. Iamp's last scumgame was GSL 3, about 4 months ago. Since then he's played quite a bit of town. Do you really think this one easy sentence is enough to proclaim him town? That "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" mentality is town-iamp in a nutshell. Also, his activity is vastly-improved from when I started off on him. So it's a combination of the attitude that sentence purveys and his increased activity. But he's had that attitude all game. Thrawn thought he was scum for it, you think he's town for it. I have no clue, I'd say he's playing pretty similar to the start of CT, where he was town, but I thought he could be scum. He is aggressive and doesn't give a shit. However, the reasons I doubt him are still the same: he gives no reasons, isn't forceful about his reads and has this post: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 07:04 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 07:02 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think town will? As far as I can see you're the one in the thread being retarded so far, so if it does it'll be because of people like you.
Like I said, the last thing town needs is someone like you playing the hero. The last thing town needs is a bunch of people yelling at each other to duel someone else. But whatever, do what you want. I'm only going to duel someone if things go bad, which I think they will. If they go your way, good, but I doubt it. Town is rarely that cooperative. meh you just haven't experienced many good towns im gonna guess mafia will be under pressure from this setup im gonna guess since time is on our side. And looking at the player list some of the better players will likely be town so we will be able to sweat the mafia i would say This post is pointless, but a suspicious mind might think why even bother bringing it up? How does Iamp know that good players are likely town, rather than scum? I don't say anything of it is very conclusive, but given that you and thrawn reach different conclusions based on the same meta, one of you must be wrong and getting some more info on why you think the meta makes him town is important.
As you said, CT is a good example. He just doesn't give much of a shit about his image when he's town. I'd take a look into his scum-game (GSL III), where he was very self-conscious, curt, and defensive.
As for Thrawn drawing the opposite conclusion, are you referring to this?
On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive.
I don't think that's the same meta point. I'm describing more of an "I don't give a fuck" mentality. Being dismissive is different. I got a strong feel for the former in his more recent posting.
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In class, so I don't have time to catch-up for now. I'll be on later in the afternoon to post reads. I do want to address the ritual bad D1 case on me though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=18#347
Yamato's case boils down to three points:
1) I'm "parroting" marv regarding policy talk.
2) My line of questioning with Cora
3) I haven't made commitments
1) "Parroting"
Firstly, Yamato just made a blanket statement about my play and made no attempt to justify it.
A lot of his early posting was devoted to arguing with me about the setup, which many people did, but the way he did it bothered me, and it is exemplified in this post. He parroted Marvellosity a lot and generally tried to follow him. Example:
It's impossible to address this since Yamato just said I was "parroting" without pointing to any examples of it. I definitely was involved in the policy-talk early on, but that's because of how important I found the policy-talk to be. Each individual player has a great deal of power this game (with the dueling mechanic), and it is important for people to understand the responsibilities that come along with it.
2) Cora Questioning
He begins a line of questioning with Cora, presumably with a negative attitude toward him. How does he follow up?
This is strictly wrong. At this point I had no strong feelings about Cora one way or the other. In fact my line of questioning was intended to be very patient with Cora to understand where he's coming from. I felt people were irrationally out for blood against an inexperienced guy. That much should be very clear from my line of questioning towards him.
3) I haven't made commitments // Not being "town leader"
Regarding the "town leader" thing, I really only take leadership positions in the town when I'm forced to do so. The last game Yamato and I have played (British Empire Mini, which I think he's drawing reference from), I was a vocal leader because:
a) I was the most experienced player in the lineup
b) I was basically confirmed town
c) no one else in the game was posting at all.
If I feel things are going well discussion wise, I don't always take the reigns of the game. Chrono Trigger Mafia and Hero Mini Mafia (town in both games) are examples of this.
As for "not making commitments," I think it's pretty normal not to have any solid commitments hours into Day 0.
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Back for the night - finally catching up. Will respond to things and make reads at the end, and feel free to ask me anything.
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Attacks on me continue to be non-sensical. Going to address these then move on to some reads.
On February 26 2013 03:50 marvellosity wrote:Oh, and by the way (apologies for multi-post), basically the first and last things hapa said so far in this thread make me suspicious of him: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
You're going to have a hard enough time choosing one player you want dead, much less two. This a problem? I've never had problems being super-paranoid early days. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 02:39 Hapahauli wrote:
As for "not making commitments," I think it's pretty normal not to have any solid commitments hours into Day 0. I'm not seeing any of this "super-paranoid" at all.
I don't get what's bad about this at all. I started playing the opening hours of the game yesterday, and I've been sleeping/in-school for the last 15 hours. Making snap judgements about my behavior based on the opening hours of the game is stupid and ignorant of the context of my play.
On February 26 2013 02:57 yamato77 wrote:
The scummiest thing about Hapa is the complete lack of aggression in anything he's doing.
What he is doing is also scummy, because it's not hunting scum. I don't even know what it is. I have no idea what his reads are at all.
Same thing as above. You're calling me "super-scummy" for my actions in the opening hours, which is completely baseless.
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There are a quite a few players jumping on my wagon for flimsy reasons, and I'm pretty sure it is mafia-motivated do to how smoothly it's going. There are two in particular I find very scummy:
Thrawn
He hasn't shown the activity or engagement I'd expect from a town-Thrawn. He's normally very playful in the early game (making controversial one liners to attract attention to himself), and I haven't seen any of that so far.
Furthermore, he wants to lynch me for basically every reason except for finding me scummy. Case in point:
On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists
On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle
On February 26 2013 02:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead
This is scum-bandwagon 101. He picks me as a scumread, and throws fuel onto my bandwagon by offering irrelevant justifications to have me "dueled" tomorrow.
Snarfs
I initially read his first post as enthusiastic, but the rest of his (short) filter reads as fake-contributions.
On February 26 2013 04:38 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:29 Snarfs wrote:On February 25 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 03:06 Snarfs wrote:
Ahhh yesss!! Finally a game where I'm not mafia! It's been too long. Far too long.
Obvious rule number 1: no one calls for a duel unless we have a majority of the thread agreeing on it.
Obvious rule number 2: we use as much of the day as possible before calling for duels.
Anyone ignoring rules 1 or 2 should be put under extreme scrutiny for acting against town goals. this guy is the scummiest guy in the game so far in my view says he is excited he is town then proceeds to do nothing discuss. Lol, it was Sunday, I was out. Gimme a break, I'm catching up now. Update: Up to page 20 now and I would kill Hapa solely based on his reasoning for backing off on iamp. Didn't make any sense (others have said it) because iamp didn't change at all. Also, I didn't like this line from thrawn: It seems like a really weird mindset. Scared to attack... should be more like "pressure" or why would you back off... not "scared to attack" - that seems to be attempting to incite Oats as opposed to get a read on him. full quote: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:I don't like how quickly Oats backed down on his suspicions of marv. He goes from "kinda suspicious" to On February 25 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would not say you were very mannered in LIX.
And suddenly marv turns on the SERIOUS MODE.
Its not scummy, its just not alignment indicative as oh good plan = town. so Oats, why so scared to attack marv? Going through last few pages now.
He offers a neatly packaged reason for why he wants me dead. No debate, no nothing, he just supports killing me right away in one small sentence.
He then moves on to "attack" thrawn in the weakest manner ever. He doesn't call thrawn scummy. He just "doesn't like" one of his posts and calls it "weird," which is hilarious considering he's attacking thrawn for the very same thing.
Notably, he's never mentioned thrawn in any of his posts afterward, or has attempted to follow up on his questions to thrawn.
On February 26 2013 05:35 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 05:12 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). Maybe you haven't read the thread enough... Yea, I saw that. It just felt weird when hapa was a big focus that you didn't mention him at the time (other than to say you were going to look into it) so I made a note of it. Since marv and yamato seem pretty happy with you so far though, I'm not going to really push you on this one since it's not a big priority and would probably just derail things. As I said, just making a note of things.
In this post, he again takes this really passive questioning of another player. He seemingly has reasons to think Corazon is scummy, but drops it because "Marv and Yamato are happy."
My other scumread outside of the above is Dienosaur. He's been far less active than I remembered him being in Chrono Trigger Mafia. In addition:
1) His response to Adam's case feels very very forced:
nformation is power in this game, so I didn't really expect a detailed answer to my question. I went fishing and came up empty, big deal. I'll continue fishing until I get a bite.
As for changing your mind, I have a feeling that no matter what I say you are still going to be gunning for me. Yes, I think you pushing for a instant duel with your first post is super scummy, especially when we have more than enough time to deliberate and come to a general consensus as a group. I can't see any town motivation in what you are doing right now.
Which, ironically enough, means that we should duel. If I lose the vote and die, I'll flip green and you will have condemned yourself even further. If I win, then scumball down, victory for town.
Bring it on.
When Adam calls him out, he's super-confrontational to the max, and wants to create this glorious showdown between him and Adam. However when Adam slightly backs down:
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.
You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.
You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.
Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out. I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.
The bolded is what gets me. If he thinks Adam is scum (previous quote), why should he give a shit what Adam thinks? In addition, it's a huge emotional 180 from someone who wanted nothing but confrontation only 1 post ago.
2) His "Map"
I remember him drawing a Map in Chrono Trigger (as town), but this one feels different.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=18#343
He draws his map here, but doesn't offer any actual reads until Yamato prods him for it.
He then offers a bunch of completely noncommittal reads:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=18#345
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Oh waht the fuck goddamnit I thought hte deadline was at 7
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Well atleast I'm not alone.
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So my preferred duel right now is two of the Dieno/Snarfs/Thrawn.
A lot of people think Kei is scum, but I'm pretty firmly null on him. He played a hell of a scum-game in GSL I Mini, and I'm chalking his absence up to business rather than something sinister. The inactivity is unusual for his town OR scum games, and I can't draw any conclusions from it.
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On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums.
I can associate that with being busy as well.
Anywho, I don't want to defend Kei - he can speak in his own defense whenever he gets back from whatever he's up to.
So reading your "goodbye" post, we're on opposite sides of the fence on Dienosaur. What do you think of my comments on him, particularly his attitude towards Adam?
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