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Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats (they were really after Yamato; Corazon's case on Hapa did not seem as though he'd come up with it himself, and Oats' switch was CRAZY out of the blue and when he did justify it, it was like he pulled sentences from other people's cases and made them into a paragraph). I don't see scum dueling scum Day 2 to be a great idea from a scum perspective, so that should clear Syl. And as I mentioned, the very first thing Alderan did in this game was to call Dieno scum.
Everyone else who voted for Hapa did so with a lot of discussion and reasoning, save for Adam, who is essentially confirmed town unless scum dueled scum on Day 1 and thought pretty rigorously on his Yamato read (in my opinion; I agreed with him).
Corazon also kept going after Syl on Day 2 when everyone else wanted Dieno, and started on Adam before switching to Keirathi (despite saying earlier that he wanted Keirathi to be dueled, but that was only if Thrawn dueled him).
Oats' filter is filled with short questions and almost zero cases, and his switch onto Hapa was SUPER weird. They're the two people I'm looking at the most right now.
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Oats doubtful mafia.
Cora/Alderan/Acro/Zare
Mafia is among you.
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On March 06 2013 00:24 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats
On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote:
Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon.
What? Did you really just contradict yourself?
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On March 06 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
The fact of the matter is that you voted for Yamato and then asked the questions. It means before you had even read anything after the duel post, you already knew that you were going to vote for Yamato.
No, that's not what happened and it's not what it means. I read up to the very latest post before i posted my Yamato read; I don't know where you get this idea that I was going to vote for Yamato no matter what. I had a town read on Hapa that was confirmed to me as I was catching up on the thread, while several things that Yamato was doing seemed scummy to me. So by the time I caught up, my vote was pretty clear.
I was wrong. But nothing that you, Cora, did, actively attempted to persuade me I was wrong. You presented no specific case to me or piece of evidence other than your list of dead townies; you simply yelled at me that I was scum trying to protect Hapa. It's not like I was putting my hands over my ears and singing so your logic wouldn't affect me.
Your rash defense of Hapa strongly indicates that you are his scum buddy. At this point scum need to hold on to every member they can, and you hoped that he would not die so you guys could have numbers. 1 scum trying to take on 7 town is not a very ideal situation.
What's even less ideal for scum is for that 1 scum to be only one of two people voting for the other guy when the thread consensus is on the scum buddy. That's why your complete 180, and Oats' complete 180, are far scummier than what I did.
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On March 06 2013 00:29 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:24 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats
Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote:
Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon. What? Did you really just contradict yourself?
Yeah, I looked back at Day 1 and saw that you switched from Adam onto Keir. For some reason I thought that your vote had stayed there.
When we've lynched scum, you've either switched your vote onto them or voted for the other guy, every time.
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On March 06 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:
Oats doubtful mafia.
Cora/Alderan/Acro/Zare
Mafia is among you.
Why is Oats doubtful mafia to you?
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Why Zarepath, why is Cora's and my 180 scummier?
So why are you trying to 'redeem' yourself? Go find someone scummier than you if you are town please :D
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EBWOP: Also, I thought Acro looked super townie to you yesterday. What changed your mind to put him in the pool of possibilities?
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Alderman/Acro most likely 2 mafia, IMO.
They should duel.
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On March 06 2013 00:33 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
The fact of the matter is that you voted for Yamato and then asked the questions. It means before you had even read anything after the duel post, you already knew that you were going to vote for Yamato. No, that's not what happened and it's not what it means. I read up to the very latest post before i posted my Yamato read; I don't know where you get this idea that I was going to vote for Yamato no matter what. I had a town read on Hapa that was confirmed to me as I was catching up on the thread, while several things that Yamato was doing seemed scummy to me. So by the time I caught up, my vote was pretty clear. I was wrong. But nothing that you, Cora, did, actively attempted to persuade me I was wrong. You presented no specific case to me or piece of evidence other than your list of dead townies; you simply yelled at me that I was scum trying to protect Hapa. It's not like I was putting my hands over my ears and singing so your logic wouldn't affect me. What's even less ideal for scum is for that 1 scum to be only one of two people voting for the other guy when the thread consensus is on the scum buddy. That's why your complete 180, and Oats' complete 180, are far scummier than what I did.
I said it was a hard decision. There was a lot that could have been said for them both being town and scum.
Obviously 5 minutes into the duel the thread sentiment was on Yamato because everyone was pissed at him for starting the duel. I did the same thing with Adam. Then I realized that there was a lot more scummy stuff about Hapa than there was about Yamato, so I switched to Hapa and made it 2-1. It's not like I was the hammer or the votes before the hammer. Do you really think I would be bussing Hapa that early? It was more likely that I would be the hammer or the 4th vote on Hapa.
You're grasping at straws here, and your "Cora isn't scum unless he attacks me" crap is just smoke and mirrors.
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Why Acro yamato? And why Alderan? Is his activity the only thing that is bothering you? Then why not Snarfs?
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On March 06 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why Zarepath, why is Cora's and my 180 scummier?
So why are you trying to 'redeem' yourself? Go find someone scummier than you if you are town please :D
Scummier than ___?
It's scummy because for the entire first half of the duel, you were going on and on about how obvious a scum Yamato was. You were gung-ho for lynching him. And then the next post is simply an unvote and ##Vote: Hapa. HOURS later, you post a reason that is a single paragraph that is almost word-for-word copied from everyone else's reasons who voted for Hapa, without a single reference to WHY you switched or any attempt to reconcile your supposed absolute surety of Yamato with your sudden sheep vote on Hapa.
That seems scummy to me.
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On March 06 2013 00:36 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: Also, I thought Acro looked super townie to you yesterday. What changed your mind to put him in the pool of possibilities?
More town than Hapa was my official position, and less likely mafia if Hapa was mafia.
But I doubt Cora is mafia, and I doubt scum would be all-in hard-defending like you yesterday.
Oats/Snarfs/Syl/Adam are high on my town list.
Pick the low-hanging fruit, and you get you four.
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On March 06 2013 00:34 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:29 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 06 2013 00:24 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats
On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote:
Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon. What? Did you really just contradict yourself? Yeah, I looked back at Day 1 and saw that you switched from Adam onto Keir. For some reason I thought that your vote had stayed there. When we've lynched scum, you've either switched your vote onto them or voted for the other guy, every time.
Why are my reads on Syl scummy? I'd love to hear.
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My next post is obviously in response to Acro's very obvious meta case on Hapa which is the biggest scumtell about him.
So I voted for hapa cause I was convinced.
Also I realized that Yamato was probably trigger happy town like Adam(hopefully)
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Go read Alderans filter, does it legitimately feel like hes trying to figure out anyone's alignment?
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On March 06 2013 00:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Then I realized that there was a lot more scummy stuff about Hapa than there was about Yamato, so I switched to Hapa and made it 2-1. It's not like I was the hammer or the votes before the hammer. Do you really think I would be bussing Hapa that early? It was more likely that I would be the hammer or the 4th vote on Hapa.
You're grasping at straws here, and your "Cora isn't scum unless he attacks me" crap is just smoke and mirrors.
My problem is that you never said "the stuff." You said "I find his actions scummier." Like, how is that supposed to persuade me? MAYBE it persuades me that you believe it, but it's not like you're activley promoting his lynch or trying to correct incorrect townspeople. Even if you think I'm scum, why didn't you try to persuade Adam?
This is now outside the realm of scumhunting, because it's a good point you raise that you became the 2-1 vote for Hapa. That goes a long way, I think, and I didn't realize you'd voted for him that early in the count.
But you're tunneling me, and were tunneling me all of Duel 3. Your arguments more often than not boil down to "You are scum and are therefore doing X, Y, Z because you are scum," instead of "You doing X, Y, Z makes me think you could be scum" and performing actions that help you confirm your read, ie, "Zarepath, who do you think is scum here? Why do you think A is scummier than B in light of C evidence?" You're doing the logic backwards and it's leading to you getting increasingly confident and increasingly wrong.
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On March 06 2013 00:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:34 zarepath wrote:On March 06 2013 00:29 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 06 2013 00:24 zarepath wrote:
Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats
On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote:
Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon. What? Did you really just contradict yourself? Yeah, I looked back at Day 1 and saw that you switched from Adam onto Keir. For some reason I thought that your vote had stayed there. When we've lynched scum, you've either switched your vote onto them or voted for the other guy, every time. Why are my reads on Syl scummy? I'd love to hear.
They came at a time when it was between Dieno and Syl, and we now know Dieno is scum. I shouldn't say "scummy," to be fair -- it's suspicious and worthy of scrutiny, let's say that.
But your 2-1 vote on Hapa does go a long way and I am focusing now on Oats.
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On March 06 2013 00:44 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Then I realized that there was a lot more scummy stuff about Hapa than there was about Yamato, so I switched to Hapa and made it 2-1. It's not like I was the hammer or the votes before the hammer. Do you really think I would be bussing Hapa that early? It was more likely that I would be the hammer or the 4th vote on Hapa.
You're grasping at straws here, and your "Cora isn't scum unless he attacks me" crap is just smoke and mirrors. My problem is that you never said "the stuff." You said "I find his actions scummier." Like, how is that supposed to persuade me? MAYBE it persuades me that you believe it, but it's not like you're activley promoting his lynch or trying to correct incorrect townspeople. Even if you think I'm scum, why didn't you try to persuade Adam? This is now outside the realm of scumhunting, because it's a good point you raise that you became the 2-1 vote for Hapa. That goes a long way, I think, and I didn't realize you'd voted for him that early in the count. But you're tunneling me, and were tunneling me all of Duel 3. Your arguments more often than not boil down to "You are scum and are therefore doing X, Y, Z because you are scum," instead of "You doing X, Y, Z makes me think you could be scum" and performing actions that help you confirm your read, ie, "Zarepath, who do you think is scum here? Why do you think A is scummier than B in light of C evidence?" You're doing the logic backwards and it's leading to you getting increasingly confident and increasingly wrong.
Read my filter and you'll see that about 85% of this is BS.
I said "the stuff".
I haven't tunneled you all of Duel 3 because you weren't here half of D3.
I accused you of making a decision too rashly and you just OMGUSed me.
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