EPTIt's Zare defending his scum buddy, and him pressuring Oats and I was just a scare tactic to try and get a double lynch.
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Corazon
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It's Zare defending his scum buddy, and him pressuring Oats and I was just a scare tactic to try and get a double lynch. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote: Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon. Considering Hapa's bus, I think that the other scum is more likely to be approximating Hapa's bus in the order of votes. Nice scare tactic. Of course scumhunting is going to be hard for you because you have to make stuff up, scum. | ||
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Corazon
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But you're still scum. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 06 2013 00:06 zarepath wrote: Dude, I read like 40 pages of the thread and had 10 left when I saw your weird "2/3 dead people said to eventually lynch him days ago so I'm going to do it without any explanation" case. Between Hapa and Yamato, I thought Yamato was scummier. I asked WAY more questions than you did; you completely 180'd on Hapa without justification, while I did nothing but justify my Hapa town read all night. You run with a lot of assumptions -- how in the world would me pressuring you and Oats (and by "pressuring" you meant "asking us why he completely switched our votes without any real justification") be trying to get a double lynch? I sense a tunnel. Just think -- what if you are wrong? (Because you are.) What are all the scum possibilities right now? All I sense from you is looking for any excuse to be the next guy in line to call me scum. Well Zare if you are going to call me scum for it, then go ahead. I unnecessarily bussed my scummate when he only had 1-2 other votes on him? Let's see that theory hold. The fact of the matter is that you voted for Yamato and then asked the questions. It means before you had even read anything after the duel post, you already knew that you were going to vote for Yamato. If you were town, you either: 1. Would've had a scumread on Yamato already, and voted him because he was a scumread of yours (your filter shows otherwise, so it can't be this) or 2. You would have reread the thread and considered a lot more carefully because you wanted to make a good decision for town. Your vote would not have been so hastily. Adam's defense of Hapa was a lot more credible and had a lot better points than you did. I just think Adam did not have the right read on Hapa and didn't get enough thought to a scum trying to play for the long run. Your rash defense of Hapa strongly indicates that you are his scum buddy. At this point scum need to hold on to every member they can, and you hoped that he would not die so you guys could have numbers. 1 scum trying to take on 7 town is not a very ideal situation. Who would I look to besides you, Zare?: Alderan- I want him in the duel with you. Him not making a decision could mean he was defending Hapa without not actually looking like it. Snarfs- It's N3, and his filter is 4 pages. Seriously? Syl- Showed he had a heartbeat again, but didn't make a vote when asked for it. Only speculated about future play. An outside shot at catching scum. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 06 2013 00:24 zarepath wrote: Honestly, I think the final scum is most likely to be among Corazon/Oats On March 05 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote: Which makes me think that the fourth scum is not very likely to have voted for Adam, which clears Sylencia and Corazon. What? Did you really just contradict yourself? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 06 2013 00:33 zarepath wrote: No, that's not what happened and it's not what it means. I read up to the very latest post before i posted my Yamato read; I don't know where you get this idea that I was going to vote for Yamato no matter what. I had a town read on Hapa that was confirmed to me as I was catching up on the thread, while several things that Yamato was doing seemed scummy to me. So by the time I caught up, my vote was pretty clear. I was wrong. But nothing that you, Cora, did, actively attempted to persuade me I was wrong. You presented no specific case to me or piece of evidence other than your list of dead townies; you simply yelled at me that I was scum trying to protect Hapa. It's not like I was putting my hands over my ears and singing so your logic wouldn't affect me. What's even less ideal for scum is for that 1 scum to be only one of two people voting for the other guy when the thread consensus is on the scum buddy. That's why your complete 180, and Oats' complete 180, are far scummier than what I did. I said it was a hard decision. There was a lot that could have been said for them both being town and scum. Obviously 5 minutes into the duel the thread sentiment was on Yamato because everyone was pissed at him for starting the duel. I did the same thing with Adam. Then I realized that there was a lot more scummy stuff about Hapa than there was about Yamato, so I switched to Hapa and made it 2-1. It's not like I was the hammer or the votes before the hammer. Do you really think I would be bussing Hapa that early? It was more likely that I would be the hammer or the 4th vote on Hapa. You're grasping at straws here, and your "Cora isn't scum unless he attacks me" crap is just smoke and mirrors. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 06 2013 00:34 zarepath wrote: Yeah, I looked back at Day 1 and saw that you switched from Adam onto Keir. For some reason I thought that your vote had stayed there. When we've lynched scum, you've either switched your vote onto them or voted for the other guy, every time. Why are my reads on Syl scummy? I'd love to hear. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 06 2013 00:44 zarepath wrote: My problem is that you never said "the stuff." You said "I find his actions scummier." Like, how is that supposed to persuade me? MAYBE it persuades me that you believe it, but it's not like you're activley promoting his lynch or trying to correct incorrect townspeople. Even if you think I'm scum, why didn't you try to persuade Adam? This is now outside the realm of scumhunting, because it's a good point you raise that you became the 2-1 vote for Hapa. That goes a long way, I think, and I didn't realize you'd voted for him that early in the count. But you're tunneling me, and were tunneling me all of Duel 3. Your arguments more often than not boil down to "You are scum and are therefore doing X, Y, Z because you are scum," instead of "You doing X, Y, Z makes me think you could be scum" and performing actions that help you confirm your read, ie, "Zarepath, who do you think is scum here? Why do you think A is scummier than B in light of C evidence?" You're doing the logic backwards and it's leading to you getting increasingly confident and increasingly wrong. Read my filter and you'll see that about 85% of this is BS. I said "the stuff". I haven't tunneled you all of Duel 3 because you weren't here half of D3. I accused you of making a decision too rashly and you just OMGUSed me. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 06 2013 07:48 Sylencia wrote: Zare, if you're going to do scumhunting, you're going to need to actually give us who the last scum is rather than saying 'Oats is scum because of this, Cora is scum because of this, Syl is scum because of this' - it just screams of deflection. Zare vs X is the most appropriate duel for today. PS: The vote from Adam already happened as I came back to vote ~100 minutes after my previous post. After the hammer fell it was quiet time until mod came, so there wasn't exactly much to say about that. Who should be the X Syl? | ||
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Corazon
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Make your analysis between Syl and Alderan before the deadline, I'm not going to sit around and wait 24 hours for the same duel that was probably going to happen. There's honestly not too much more discussion to have. The game is going really slow right now and I think that seeing you and Alderan is what needs to happen. As much as I want Syl dead due to my frustration over his activity, I think that Alderan is a lot better choice. | ||
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Corazon
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Anyways: ##Vote: Alderan | ||
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Corazon
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On March 07 2013 00:27 Acrofales wrote: I am completely okay with you and your conspiracy theories. But for now just KISS. The possibility of no NK entered my mind this morning when I realized there really was a decent possibility that Alderan was scum. He HAS been AFK, and it was entirely possible that if he is scum, doesn't send in the NK. So yes, I mentioned that possibility, mainly because I didn't want people thinking that the presence of a NK somehow exculpated him. However, the absence of a NK definitely implicates him. By this point, a medic save seems unlikely, and there haven't been any RB claims either. That indicates that the only reason there was no NK is because scum didn't send it in. Alderan being the last scum is by far the most likely reason for that. Why are you so quick in ruling out a medic? And why did you not ask us before dueling Alderan? | ||
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Corazon
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I love you Marv don't hate me. | ||
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Corazon
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I have to go to school now, sorry =( | ||
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Corazon
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I'm sorry, I'll make a list of reasoning as to who I saved with explanations, but I'll give you the names before I go to school. N0: No one N1: Thrawn N2: Acro N3: Adam I don't worry too much about town reads so my saves have been sub-par, but we really need to kill Zare and Alderan before we take a closer look at me. If you want to call me scum, Snarf's claim shouldn't be the whole argument. | ||
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Corazon
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I think Mocsta hit the nail on the head when it comes to how I still feel about playing mafia: "Cora has been known to say this prior (to me specifically in NMM34) I am reading him still as a guy who wants to contribute, but is not sure of himself: i.e. his posts evoke much more enthusiasm than confidence in my opinion." I'm still trying to figure out how to improve my scumhunting game and how to make myself look more town. Basically, I'm trying to find the Corazon that played NMM 34 when it comes to looking townie. I really still suck at scumhunting and default to sheeping when it comes to arguments. It's so hard to be the first one to catch a scum. However, this might be a good thing because if no one is ever going to be convinced of anyone else's reads than the scum will win everytime. It's definitely a learning process, especially with the transition out of Newbie games. My votes on Adam and Yamato were pretty terrible and were mostly based on emotion, to be honest. I think that was my biggest mistake (jk not saving Marv was <3). There was no reason I should not have looked into Kei and Hapa's filters before voting for their dueling counterparts. It was just being lazy town. All three of my saves were trying to save people I thought were going to die. I was more inclined to save Thrawn than Iamp N1 because I felt like Thrawn was playing a more active and more contributing town game than Iamp (because Iamp's posting style really bugs me, no offense <3). Unfortunately they decided not to kill Thrawn. Then I decided to save Acro because I had a town read on him for most of the game. By the time I had realized that Yamato was thinking about dueling Acro and that scum would not have killed him because of that, it was too late to save Thrawn. I really don't understand why Adam was kept alive so long because almost everyone had put him down as town in their books. I just thought that Adam was most likely to go because his posts were very well constructed (like Acro's) and the fact that the scum had kept him alive for way too long). Of course I just realized that Snarfs couldn't kill and that I never saved Adam. Makes me feel worse. I don't think you should be too down about how you played Snarfs. You were probably 4th highest on my scum list, and I don't think that claiming doctor was the best idea in your situation. I think taking an extremely unpopular opinion against Acro would've been enough to reestablish doubt against Acro and let you survive at least two lynches. However, I also thank you for resigning when you felt like there was no chance of you winning. Respect from me for that. I would also like to commend Adam and Yamato for the great games that they played. As stated in the Obs QT, Yamato did a great job of backing down when necessary, but also continuing to attack when you felt like you were onto something. It's so hard in this game to balance that kind of aggression and I think Yamato did that spectacularly well to the great benefit of the town. Well done! Adam, in hindsight, your duel with Kei was a great move. When it happens during the game, you think "Wow Adam is an idiot and he's going to ruin the game if he's town". Thinking about it now, it was a great idea. You played mafia in the simplest way possible: Find scum and lynch them. It was a great call to duel Kei and it helped us get on the right foot to start out with. It also forced Hapa to change his gameplan and work on bussing both of his scum teammates. After you had gotten Kei lynched and had confirmed yourself as town, you put yourself to work very well to help everyone else out. I've been in a couple of games where confirmed townies have basically stepped back and made lazy arguments, but the fact that you continued to think critically and make good posts really helped us out and was invaluable when it came to winning the game. Your defense of Hapa was legit. There were times where I could not answer your points but I could not get myself to vote for Yamato. However, the sign of a good mafia player is to realize that you could possibly be wrong and that scum could be making desperation plays. You took a risk and voted for Hapa, and it worked out for us. Thank you <3 In other words: Adam=Town MVP Yamato is a close second. Syl, this is the last time I'll talk about this, but you need to post more. I got a little frustrated at your lack of activity two games in a row (hence the "Won't Back Down" post), and perhaps I tunneled you a little too much. Can you please post more? Please? Or at least play when you have more time, because I can see you being a great player when you post more than once a day. I'll stop tunneling you for it but I'd like to kindly ask you to participate more. Thanks <3 Last couple of points I want to bring up: I enjoyed the setup. I think it was a fun and interesting take on Mafia (especially the traitor role). However, the biggest problem I had was the lack of any real "pressure". Obviously you can say all you want about dueling someone or killing them, you can't back it up without committing yourself. That, along with no activity requirement, means that lurkers can just sit back and continue to lurk and no one will want to duel them because they and others will see it as a waste of a duel. I think a stricter activity requirement needs to be added (one post per every cycle is what I would recommend) in order to make this game a bit more fun and a bit less of a lurker fest (while not as bad as NMM 37, there were still 3 lurkers and Zare who had missed 3 days or so). The second thing I would like to bring up with the set-up is that I think the voting deadline for duels is a bit too long. A lot of times the thread became dead because we realized we could not change each others' minds and the lurkers never came in and hammered anyone. This led to us sitting around and talking about who to lynch next, which leads to association cases which are bad before flips. Perhaps either a 24 or 36 hour voting period w/Instant Majority Lynch to speed the game up just a little bit. Besides that, it was a good set-up. Thanks Marv for the helpful tips that you left in the Obs QT, and I'm really sorry for not saving you. Lack of brain usage there. I'm glad that this game did not turn out like NMM 36 and 37, which really just drained me emotionally and made me a bit sad in all honesty. It kind of renewed my faith in my ability to play mafia by having at least a sub-par game (which is really good compared to my last 2 shit games). GG guys! Thank you if you read this far. I'd like to thank the awesome hosts and the awesome players =). I'd be honored to play with you all again and I can't wait to see some of you in Personality Mafia 2 <3. Bye! | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 07 2013 08:29 Acrofales wrote: Cora: you looked plenty townie to me. Improving your scumhunting: stop tunneling Sylencia. When you weren't doing that, you were doing just fine. But the reason that I looked town to you was because I was tunneling Syl way too much. That's not the way I want town cred. I want to have real town cred, not just a "bad town" read. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 07 2013 09:04 Sylencia wrote: Thought I just posted but apparently not o_o GG and wp by town, Cora I agree and will be taking a break for a bit from Mafia until I can find more energy to post after work. The last couple of weeks have been draining and all I want to do is sleep lol. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you in any way. I say really stupid stuff but my goal in Mafia is to leave it all on the field (or town). I need to work just a bit more on that and I'm sorry if I upset you in anyways. We're all good people whether our alignment says so or not  | ||
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